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Post by dlg3000 on Nov 18, 2012 8:03:53 GMT -5
I think so. I actually like that the WWE is in PG. I just cannot imagine a Kofi Kingston in an Attitude Era mode and business wise, it wouldn't be a good idea since whole families attend the shows. I wouldn't surprise me if the Attitude Era was still around, many people would get sick and tired of it. Even if the Attitude Era comes back, it would drive away a large percentage of the fan base, I believe.
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Post by hitch on Nov 18, 2012 8:07:29 GMT -5
it's right for WWE to go PG but it has yet to fully commit to it IMO.
The Attitude era produced too many fans that aren't wrestling fans.
"A headlock? Booo this crap. This is wrestling. Get a chair or a sledgehammer!!"
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Post by angelofapocalypse on Nov 18, 2012 8:28:34 GMT -5
Attitude Fan: Get the Wrestling out!
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Post by Ser Davos on Nov 18, 2012 8:37:00 GMT -5
I see a lack of understanding from both sides on the subject.
From older fans, just accept that it's different now, and the climate is what it is (for now). It's a publicly-traded concern now and the company has gone too far down the rabbit hole in a sense.
On the part of newer fans/PG enthusiasts, accept that something people loved isn't the same and they miss being into the product. Their opinion is as valid as yours, and don't simply write them off as "haters".
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 18, 2012 8:40:03 GMT -5
Yes, the criticism was warranted when WWE was closer to G than PG but not today. Any faults WWE has aren't a result of the rating.
Also I'm pretty sure the ban on blood would still exist if even if it wasn't PG as it's largely for medical reasons, you see the same thing in many sports now more is known about blood borne diseases and infections.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 18, 2012 8:43:09 GMT -5
Yes, the criticism was warranted when WWE was closer to G than PG but not today. Any faults WWE has aren't a result of the rating. Also I'm pretty sure the ban on blood would still exist if even if it wasn't PG as it's largely for medical reasons, you see the same thing in many sports now more is known about blood borne diseases and infections. That, and in the HD era, people you are trying to market being covered in bubblegum scars on faces are probably not going to get your guys any acting jobs.
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Post by Ser Davos on Nov 18, 2012 8:44:27 GMT -5
The Attitude era produced too many fans that aren't wrestling fans. How elitist.
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Post by Chip on Nov 18, 2012 8:51:08 GMT -5
It's annoying for me because I feel it discredits the talent the Attitude Era had. People act as if it's the rating that made that era entertaining rather then the actual wrestlers. I can't think of many Attitude icons that wouldn't have thrived still on a PG show.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 18, 2012 8:53:57 GMT -5
The Attitude era produced too many fans that aren't wrestling fans. How elitist. It's true though. The vast majority of those who complain about the PG era are those who prefer straight up weapon fests over technical classics. And that's their prerogative, but they simply need to accept those days are gone.
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Post by Sam Punk on Nov 18, 2012 8:57:45 GMT -5
They've been old for a while now. The "attitude era" wasn't successful because of the pimps/porn stars/etc, it was successful because of Rock/Austin vs McMahon/Foley/Undertaker. Those folks would have been just as successful in a pg format.
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Post by angelofapocalypse on Nov 18, 2012 9:11:18 GMT -5
Glad the days of weapon fests are gone. It is a good thing today WWE has more actual in ring wrestling. The wrestling is far superior now than the Attitude era.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Nov 18, 2012 9:11:40 GMT -5
My honest opinion is that if people are that upset about the content of the show not being risque or raunchy for them, it's not the kids who like it now who have some growing up to do...
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Post by Ser Davos on Nov 18, 2012 9:20:45 GMT -5
It's true though. The vast majority of those who complain about the PG era are those who prefer straight up weapon fests over technical classics. And that's their prerogative, but they simply need to accept those days are gone. I think a distinction should be made between "straight-up weapon fest" and the kind of wild matches that punctuated the era. The former implies that the overwhelming majority would prefer a weapons brawl between any old wrestlers over a technical stunner features the modern era's best. That's simply not true. I believe they'd rather see two wrestlers they care about settle an issue with an additional level of action. It's a realistic expectation to see a personal feud finally settled with a bloody match-up with a decisive winner. It's not "wrong". Whilst wrestling is on the marquee, it's my opinion that to the general public, wresting isn't the selling point. They'd rather see two larger than life colourful personalities have an entertaining schmozz. I kind of take issue with the tone in which the pro-PG argument is expressed sometimes. It's as if wrestling has "evolved" in something more high brow in the last five years.
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Post by hitch on Nov 18, 2012 9:24:03 GMT -5
The Attitude era produced too many fans that aren't wrestling fans. How elitist. It's not elitist at all. It's true the Attitude era produced many fan that had no interest in wrestling. No interest even in 'sports entertainment'. Jackass was a television show but it's audience weren't folk who enjoyed carefully crafted drama, characters and storyline. It was folk who thought "OMG he stapled his nutsack to a table - that's totally ******* cool!" ...similar with a lot of guys WWF attracted during the attitude era. It wasn't so much the wresting - if at al - but the shock value stunts. In the end 'wrestling' suffered. Hence why it took years before anyone could apply a sleeper before being hounded by the crowd. Those people would watch ANY show with that content. It's nothing wrong with it, but it should be accepted for what it is, a short-term fad that wasn't sustainable over a long period of time. Worse still because boundaries were pushed so far, so fast and so quickly, the industry has, to an extent - shot its load. It'll be YEARS if not a decade or two more before the business can recover from it and get back to a situation where wrestler vs wrestler is an interest concept without having to set fire to someone along the way.
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Post by angelofapocalypse on Nov 18, 2012 9:26:56 GMT -5
It's 2012 today. Why should we worry about them? They don't watch the show anymore. Too bad for them if they don't like the product today.
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Post by hitch on Nov 18, 2012 9:32:03 GMT -5
It's 2012 today. Why should we worry about them? They don't watch the show anymore. Too bad for them if they don't like the product today. Agreed but WWE can't resist nodding to them. It's like a long lost over who you keep sending desperate 'Just wanted to say hi :-) ' text messages to. It may be PG-era but you can see it almost wistfully looking back at Attitude. It needs to FULLY move on. Not, as I've said many times, call it PG but still produce a format identical (sans violence and shock) to Attitude. Look how much WWF programming changed from 1992-2001. EVERYTHING changed. Content, style, design, concept. Look a how similar things are 2002-2012. The content may have been muted but what else is that different? That's the problem.
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Post by FinalGwen on Nov 18, 2012 9:36:02 GMT -5
The whole "Attitude" concept stunk. If it wasn't for the talented performers of the day, it'd be the embarrassing time that nobody really mentions. I mean, come on, they were pretty much screaming "Ooh, look at us, we've got a porn star and a pimp and we drink beer and insult our bosses! Aren't we edgy?"
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Post by Ser Davos on Nov 18, 2012 9:37:14 GMT -5
It's not elitist at all. It's true the Attitude era produced many fan that had no interest in wrestling. No interest even in 'sports entertainment'. Jackass was a television show but it's audience weren't folk who enjoyed carefully crafted drama, characters and storyline. It was folk who thought "OMG he stapled his nutsack to a table - that's totally ******* cool!" ...similar with a lot of guys WWF attracted during the attitude era. It wasn't so much the wresting - if at al - but the shock value stunts. In the end 'wrestling' suffered. Hence why it took years before anyone could apply a sleeper before being hounded by the crowd. Those people would watch ANY show with that content. It's nothing wrong with it, but it should be accepted for what it is, a short-term fad that wasn't sustainable over a long period of time. Worse still because boundaries were pushed so far, so fast and so quickly, the industry has, to an extent - shot its load. It'll be YEARS if not a decade or two more before the business can recover from it and get back to a situation where wrestler vs wrestler is an interest concept without having to set fire to someone along the way. Give the people what they want! Like I said previously, wresting is only a finite part of the business. A percentage of the IWC loves to sift through TV ratings and buy-rates to give storylines an additional level of analysis. Take a look at what they were pulling in weekly at the time. Then to imply they were wrong to do so? Just seems odd.
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Post by RBD on Nov 18, 2012 9:37:47 GMT -5
Eh, a lot of the time I just see it as people using the term "PG" as shorthand for the current product (and the recent past). It's not the rating and its imposition on the product that people are upset about, it's that the product and talent are not as compelling to many as they were 12 years ago.
No amount of blading and hardcore matches would fix the current product.
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Post by angelofapocalypse on Nov 18, 2012 9:38:12 GMT -5
Attitude fans are too fussy.
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