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Post by norsisclouds on Jan 4, 2012 15:26:12 GMT -5
They buried him. Simple as that. Nothing to do with the fabled "paying of dues". Despite winning the fans vote on NXT, and easily being one of the best in-ring superstars they had, the WWE didn't see him as anything more than a jobber. And when it became obvious to the WWE that Kaval wanted more than just being enhancement talent, they decided it was best to release him. The crowd came alive every time he was in the ring. Imagine if he were still around now...we could be looking at Jericho v Kaval, Daniel Bryan v Kaval, CM Punk v Kaval, Ziggler v Kaval... OMG... World Title Fatal Fourway... Kaval v Ziggler v Punk v Daniel Bryan. I know it would never happen but I think I just got a lady boner...
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Jan 4, 2012 15:39:44 GMT -5
Because they deliberately cut him off at the feet to make sure he didn't get over. I mean he lost to Chavo Guerrero for god's sakes, and Chavo was a jobber by this point!
I honestly think the only reason they gave him that IC title shot against Ziggler was because they were still somewhat taking NXT seriously and didn't want to make the competition a joke by not giving the winner his reward, so they let him have that one shot and then boom, that's it. They don't have to worry about using him anymore because now the only sole purpose he had to appear on TV was used up.
Honestly the writing on the wall was when he got his Bragging Rights spot by having to last 5 minutes with Big Show. He couldn't beat someone, he just had to last 5 minutes like he was some scrub like Barry Horowitz or something. Then to top it off he loses that spot to Tyler Reks who hadn't been seen since his ECW days and someone who nobody other than the most die hard fans would remember. In the eyes of the casual fans he was made to look like an idiot. Kaval gains his spot by a fluke and to prove it he loses to an unknown guy. Congrats WWE, you really know how to stick it to the IWC!
And if it really bugged WWE that Kaval won NXT Season 2, guess what? Don't give the fans the ability to vote! Were they honestly surprised that they didn't choose two clear cut heels in McGillicutty and Riley? If they hadn't done that, McGillicutty or Riley could've won and then they could've released Kaval afterwards if they felt like it. But no, they got bitter that somebody who wasn't created by them got successful and cut him off at the pass. See this is why we're so paranoid that WWE is going to bury Ryder or Bryan, because we know that WWE gets so paranoid about themselves and thus punish the wrestlers for it.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 4, 2012 15:42:04 GMT -5
WWE was foolish to attempt a fan vote context like NXT. When the prize is always the same, like American Idol, it's easy, but in WWE, everything else is scripted so you have to work the guy in somehow, and you have to do that differently depending on who wins. If the voting is legit, then creative has to come up with scenarios for everyone, but if the company obviously has plans for someone to win, like they did for Riley and Brodus, and has creative put their efforts into them, then they're left with a winner they have nothing to do for.
So Kaval lingered around doing nothing. There was word that he had a bad attitude as well, and if that's true it couldn't have helped, but regardless having a wrestling show where you take the ultimate results out of the bookers hands is a bad idea.
I think they're original idea was to have the Riley story play out like it did, but to have him use his title shot against Miz when they inevitably fell out, or against Bryan so they could get back at him and cap off that feud.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 4, 2012 15:46:28 GMT -5
I heard the attitude thing was mostly false. Ki actually had the best attitude of his career up until it became obvious he wasn't going to be used. It was then it went down hill.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 4, 2012 16:00:11 GMT -5
I heard the attitude thing was mostly false. Ki actually had the best attitude of his career up until it became obvious he wasn't going to be used. It was then it went down hill. Apparently, he was told to give the story about asking for his release, when he was in fact released due to them having nothing for him. He stayed by that story for three months until spilling the beans on Dave Lagana's old podcast. I actually thought the LayCool pairing was great. My issue with like, NXT was I wish they would have had all their pros have an incredible amount of experience. Like, season 1, 7 out of the 8 pros were in the business for 10 years plus, with the exception of The Miz, which added to the dynamic with Daniel Bryan. I guess however, not everyone in WWE currently has 10 years in. With LayCool, it was a great dynamic, because the fans who did know Kaval knew him as this ultra serious guy, so it's almost a natural for him to be with LayCool, as the Head Cheese type duo, with them being Al Snow, and him being Steve Blackman. Having him lose to Miz on that show when Miz is US Champion is one thing. Having him lose to practically everybody else is a completely different story. I think Kaval would have been a great addition to the roster if they had kept him and wanted to push him. Kaval's problem was his size pretty much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2012 16:02:40 GMT -5
It's too bad he didn't tough things out, these days he'd probably be getting a push.
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Jan 4, 2012 16:16:10 GMT -5
I think the problem was twofold; first, he is really weird looking, and not in a good way for pro wrestling. Second, he expected too much way too soon, at least based on what I've heard. If it's true that they released him because they "had nothing for him," that isn't his fault, but there are plenty of guys around doing nothing who don't get released in the manner he did, so I'm somewhat skeptical. I don't buy the notion that they buried him because of his indy roots or anything like that. I personally thought he sucked, so I didn't actually want him beating Dolph Ziggler for the IC title anyway.
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Post by jadison on Jan 4, 2012 16:27:48 GMT -5
Kaval kept it real. As Dave Chappelle showed us about 8 years ago, there are times when keeping it real goes wrong.
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Post by airraidcrash on Jan 4, 2012 16:31:22 GMT -5
Losing for two months was probably not his style. I mean, he used to win pretty much all his matches on the indies, didn't he? If he had stuck around he could have become an upper mid-carder by now.
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Post by Toxik916 on Jan 4, 2012 16:35:53 GMT -5
I thought he dug his own grave when he pretty much plugged the competition on NXT by saying "Total Nonstop Action" during a promo contest.
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Post by juvijuiceisloose on Jan 4, 2012 17:17:11 GMT -5
They never planned on doing anything with him. They set him up to fail from the very beginning.
At the time, they probably thought putting Kaval with LayCool would be funny, but he made it work. They were the most entertaining thing about that season of NXT.
He had more chemistry with LayCool and especially Layla than any other Superstar/Diva pairing since Edge and Lita.
Coming out of NXT, he had a ready made angle with him being the catalyst to LayCool breaking up and Layla turning face and being with him.
During a podcast interview with Dave Lagana he mentions that he never asked for his release and that they gave him the classic "Creative has nothing for you" line and released him.
Look at Cody Rhodes right now. He has basically no one to feud with right now but a 46 year old announcer. You mean to tell me they couldn't find anyone else backstage to feud with him?
That's the WWE's fault, because I think Kaval would've done really well in that place. Feuding with Cody Rhodes over the I-C Title.
Plus, if they paired him up with Layla, they could've used the fact that she and Cody used to date.
How is it that when creative doesn't do their job properly, the talent is the one who has to go?
How is it Kaval gets let go if the supposed "Creative team" isn't being creative.
I'm a nobody on the internet and I just came up with 2 angles, and they couldn't find 1 for him?
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 4, 2012 17:19:24 GMT -5
The Prophecy happened to Low Ki, that's what went wrong.
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Post by mrjl on Jan 4, 2012 17:21:29 GMT -5
It's simple really. They set themselves up for failure. They let the fans vote for the winner of NXT Season 2. When they realized that Kaval would win they did everything they could to keep him down: pairing him with Laycool; having him get beat like a drum; having Cole bury him on commentary. And despite all that he still got the majority of the votes. And then to spite them they had him get beaten up even after he won. So naturally they had to punish the fans for daring to support someone that they didn't want to push and proceeded to bury him to hell and back. Guy got a single fluke win once he got to Smackdown. So yeah, they sure showed those fans. They showed them to the point that they didn't come back for Season 3 and forced the show to be moved to WWE.com. Honestly, who wants to watch a show like that when the winner is destined to be nothing more than a jobber or a non entity at best? Heck, even Wade Barrett fell into that pit after the initial Nexus angle. If only we had done what they told us and voted for Michael McGillicutty or Alex Riley like they wanted then maybe NXT wouldn't be a joke nowadays. they paired Kaval with Laycool at the same time they decide fans would decide the voting. If they didn't want Kaval to win they either wouldn't have put him on the show or they wouldn't have had the fans vote.
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Post by TheVoiceofReason on Jan 4, 2012 17:25:16 GMT -5
For one, he was a jobber.
Second, he was a jobber.
Finally, he was a JOBBER.
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Post by Manute Bol on Jan 4, 2012 17:33:42 GMT -5
It's too bad he didn't tough things out, these days he'd probably be getting a push. This. I also feel like a lot of the blame is on Kaval himself rather than the WWE for once. Granted, he was in FCW for what felt like eternity, but if he could have been a little more patient, I feel like he'd have been really successful in the current WWE climate. Imagine him working with CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, Zack Ryder, Air Boom and the rest of these "Newer Generation" guys. Tragic.
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Post by norsisclouds on Jan 4, 2012 17:36:11 GMT -5
They never planned on doing anything with him. They set him up to fail from the very beginning. At the time, they probably thought putting Kaval with LayCool would be funny, but he made it work. They were the most entertaining thing about that season of NXT. He had more chemistry with LayCool and especially Layla than any other Superstar/Diva pairing since Edge and Lita. Coming out of NXT, he had a ready made angle with him being the catalyst to LayCool breaking up and Layla turning face and being with him. During a podcast interview with Dave Lagana he mentions that he never asked for his release and that they gave him the classic "Creative has nothing for you" line and released him. Look at Cody Rhodes right now. He has basically no one to feud with right now but a 46 year old announcer. You mean to tell me they couldn't find anyone else backstage to feud with him? That's the WWE's fault, because I think Kaval would've done really well in that place. Feuding with Cody Rhodes over the I-C Title. Plus, if they paired him up with Layla, they could've used the fact that she and Cody used to date. How is it that when creative doesn't do their job properly, the talent is the one who has to go? How is it Kaval gets let go if the supposed "Creative team" isn't being creative. I'm a nobody on the internet and I just came up with 2 angles, and they couldn't find 1 for him? Layla and Kaval would be the first pairing I'd care about since Edge and Lita. They could've done so much with that, they played off one another fanastically well and they could've gotten Layla over to--dare I say it--Trish Stratus or Lita status because the audience would have more reason to care about her than any diva they'd seen in years. Suddenly she'd be a victim of Michelle McCool's bullying, a sweet heart to the kick ass Kaval, and a fan favorite underdog in the women's division. WTF were they thinking--and at the time I honestly thought that was where they were going with Kaval. It seemed so natural and I wouldn't be surprised if Michelle or Layla pitched it and Creative spat it back in their faces because they didn't want him to be pushed.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 4, 2012 17:39:59 GMT -5
It's too bad he didn't tough things out, these days he'd probably be getting a push. This. I also feel like a lot of the blame is on Kaval himself rather than the WWE for once. Granted, he was in FCW for what felt like eternity, but if he could have been a little more patient, I feel like he'd have been really successful in the current WWE climate. He was fired. Hard to stick around and tough things out after that.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 4, 2012 17:40:45 GMT -5
Just seems like not a good fit for either party, for whatever reason.
While on paper it looks like it woulda been a slam dunk, particularly with both Punk and Bryan doing so well.
It's a shame really, as it woulda been interesting to see him stick around.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jan 4, 2012 17:43:14 GMT -5
At least he and Dolph had that good match at Survivor Series for the IC title. Pretty cool he can at least say he fought for a title at one of the Big Four on PPV.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jan 4, 2012 17:43:41 GMT -5
You know all these things I see here, he's too small, he has a bad look, they never saw him as anything more than a jobber. Then why the hell did they hire him in the first place?
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