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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 18, 2012 19:34:52 GMT -5
Personally I prefer the Burton/Schumacher vision of Gotham. It looked more epic in scale than Nolan's version. Likewise. It feels like a comic book city come to life in those flicks. In Begins it retains some of that feeling, while TDK it is quite blatantly Chicago.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 18, 2012 19:43:17 GMT -5
But that's how Gotham is? More New York-y than Chicago-y, but it still isn't this fantastical comic booky place. It is pretty much a sister city to New York but in New Jersey.
I'd say Batman=Batman Begins> Dark Knight > Batman Returns > Forever/and Robin in terms of portrayal of Gotham.
Of course it has varied over the years too, so I suppose there isn't any definitive portrayal.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 18, 2012 19:46:48 GMT -5
But that's how Gotham is? More New York-y than Chicago-y, but it still isn't this fantastical comic booky place. It is pretty much a sister city to New York but in New Jersey. I'd say Batman=Batman Begins> Dark Knight > Batman Returns > Forever/and Robin in terms of portrayal of Gotham. Of course it has varied over the years too, so I suppose there isn't any definitive portrayal. Indeed not, I tend to lean towards the slightly out-of-time 1930s-meets-modern day portrayal in TAS as my own favourite.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jul 18, 2012 19:51:27 GMT -5
But that's how Gotham is? More New York-y than Chicago-y, but it still isn't this fantastical comic booky place. It is pretty much a sister city to New York but in New Jersey. I'd say Batman=Batman Begins> Dark Knight > Batman Returns > Forever/and Robin in terms of portrayal of Gotham. Of course it has varied over the years too, so I suppose there isn't any definitive portrayal. Indeed not, I tend to lean towards the slightly out-of-time 1930s-meets-modern day portrayal in TAS as my own favourite. Well TAS is the best Batman ever so that goes without saying.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jul 18, 2012 22:24:13 GMT -5
Indeed not, I tend to lean towards the slightly out-of-time 1930s-meets-modern day portrayal in TAS as my own favourite. Well TAS is the best Batman ever so that goes without saying. Here, here.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 19, 2012 1:45:52 GMT -5
God damn! The Dark Knight rose up and kicked my ass!
Best. Trilogy. Ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2012 5:57:47 GMT -5
So, to get ready for the movie tonight rewatching Begins at the moment, and at a scene that always bugs the hell out of me - that, "I won't kill this man! To prove it, I'll kill this entire building full of people, him included!" part.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 19, 2012 10:14:09 GMT -5
It says a lot that this even has to be said. Having said that, I am just not feeling this movie at all. The trailers have left me with a feeling of total "eh". It started when I found out the villain was going to be Bane. Seems to me that the only people who care about the character or are even aware such a character exists are comic readers that are holding on to the fact he was a badass in the comics about 20 years ago. I hope it does well and people like, but I can't help but feel like this should have been Two Face's movie, and rushing through him in The Knight is going to be seen as a mistake in the long run. not to derail the thread but Bane was plenty badass as recently as a year ago when Gail Simone was writing him.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jul 19, 2012 10:52:05 GMT -5
So, to get ready for the movie tonight rewatching Begins at the moment, and at a scene that always bugs the hell out of me - that, "I won't kill this man! To prove it, I'll kill this entire building full of people, him included!" part. Yeah, between that and "I won't kill you but I don't have to save you." Bruce has some really weird logic in that movie.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 19, 2012 11:26:08 GMT -5
So, to get ready for the movie tonight rewatching Begins at the moment, and at a scene that always bugs the hell out of me - that, "I won't kill this man! To prove it, I'll kill this entire building full of people, him included!" part. Yeah, between that and "I won't kill you but I don't have to save you." Bruce has some really weird logic in that movie. See: Save a prisoner by killing everyone else during training.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 19, 2012 11:46:42 GMT -5
he didn't kill the prisoner because that would murder. however, when they threatened to kill him if he didn't do it so he fought back, that defense. big difference between the two
as for not killing/saving Ra's, Batman isn't going to kill him because A) killing him won't stop the machine, and B) he'd be giving in and becoming what Ra's wants him to be, so its a no go. as for not saving him, Ra's basically put himself in that situation, so the train crashing and him being on board are all on him, and he's pretty much dying by his own hand. its basically like I'm not going to kill you, but I'm not going to stop you from killing yourself
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 19, 2012 11:55:05 GMT -5
as for not killing/saving Ra's, Batman isn't going to kill him because A) killing him won't stop the machine, and B) he'd be giving in and becoming what Ra's wants him to be, so its a no go. as for not saving him, Ra's basically put himself in that situation, so the train crashing and him being on board are all on him, and he's pretty much dying by his own hand. its basically like I'm not going to kill you, but I'm not going to stop you from killing yourself Which is odd, since it goes against Batman's own idea that no one is beyond saving. It's why he usually asks for a hand from the enemy he was just fighting before something else kills them (ie the Clock King episode of TAS with the tower, as well as the one with the ninja and the lava.)
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 19, 2012 17:41:15 GMT -5
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Post by andrew8798 on Jul 19, 2012 17:46:57 GMT -5
So far from what I'm hearing the ending sounds real interesting
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jul 19, 2012 21:23:39 GMT -5
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Post by the2ndevil on Jul 19, 2012 21:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 19, 2012 21:34:11 GMT -5
Just got done watching the previous two films in preparation.
Should be interesting to see how they build off the end of The Dark Knight, even though in-film it's been 8 years from what I've heard.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 19, 2012 21:54:45 GMT -5
Just got done watching the previous two films in preparation. Should be interesting to see how they build off the end of The Dark Knight, even though in-film it's been 8 years from what I've heard. From the review I posted earlier, while seeing both helps, it seems it borrows more from Begins than TDK.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 19, 2012 22:01:16 GMT -5
After letting it gel a little I'd like to share some of my thoughts. {Spoiler}About Bane: His voice was really weird. I don't know why exactly it bugged me as much as it did. But it just didn't seem to fit him. Also I have to admit he came off as pretty hokey what with the constant clasping of his collar in every scene. But beside from that, I liked how hands on he was as the villian, and thought the fisticuffs he had with B-man were pretty awesome. Another problem I had was how they never really explained how he was able to constantly stay a few steps ahead of Batman. So I can get past him knowing his identity, it's safe to assume everyone in the League of Shadows did. I can also get behind him besting Batman in combat, especially due to Bruce's physical health. But how did he know about all of Wayne's secrets, such as the secret bunker in Wayne Towers. Also at the start he kidnaps the Doctor who worked on the energy source, yet Talia only discovers Bruce has one of his own much later in the movie. So did they know all along, or did they change up their plan once Talia was in control of Wayne towers? Very confusing. All in all, I'm suspecting that the derided fan opinion on this character will continue to spread after more people have seen this. About Catwoman: I thought she felt a little out of place in this movie. She seemed like the chick James Bond usually ends up with. Though with that said, I thought Hathaway played the part well enough. About Talia Al Ghul: While her turn surprised me along with the revelation that she was the kid who escaped the prison, I didn't really feel much considering I never really bought into her relationship with Bruce. So while I feel like I was supposed to believe that he saw her as the love of his life, the movie never really conveyed that to me. IMO she may as well have not even been in it at all. I would have been perfectly fine with Bane as Ra's kid. About Joseph ordon-Levit's character (can't remember his name ) - The Robin thing was a little goofy, but beside that he was a strong part. I don't know if I buy his story about finding out about Bruce/Batman but whatever. The movie: This felt nothing like any other Batman movie in this franchise or ever made. It really did feel like a James Bond movie to me. If you've seen The World Is Not Enough, you'll notice a lot of similarities between the two plots. It'll be interesting to see how this one holds up over time, because it really is unlike anything I've seen in recent memory. Also Michael Caine brought it big time. He had the most extremely touching moments throughout the whole film. I really felt for Alfred when he tried to get Bruce to leave Batman behind, going so far as to desert him because he couldn't live with himself if he died. Also the part where he hoped to see Bruce with a family everytime he travelled was touching. Then there's that scene in front of the Wayne graves where he made me want to cry, all leading to his dream eventually coming true in the sweetest way possible. I liked the movie, but it's no Dark Knight. I think if you go in without any expectations, you should enjoy yourself. Also as a little aside, for those seeing it soon, in the scene where Bruce first meets up with Lucius Fox in Wayne Towers, keep an eye on his cane. It's kind of funny.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Jul 19, 2012 22:07:12 GMT -5
Must....not....click on spoilers in here........
I have a movie date w/ a friend mon or tues in IMAX to see this so I'm fighting temptation very hard this weekend not to watch without her. Watching the prologue for the millionth time isn't helping much either.
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