Multiple Dead In Elementary School Shooting

[Mozenrath]

Dec 14, 2012 16:10:17 GMT -5 The Ichi said:

f*** everything about humanity.

Then why mourn our dead? Those children were human, too. It's too easy to fall into this kind of thinking, but that we are upset at all is proof that humanity has purpose.

[HMARK Center]

Dec 14, 2012 16:21:46 GMT -5 biafra said:

Dec 14, 2012 16:16:49 GMT -5 @ricrocket said:

But what is something wrong? There's plenty of people that might act a certain way or do certain things, but that doesn't mean they're going to shoot up a place. Then there's the stories of the seemingly normal guy that goes an murders his whole family. Sometimes there isn't warning signs for these incidents.

As someone who has been treated for mental illness, I should not be legally able to own a gun. If a person showed, god forbid, symptoms of a highly contagious, deadly virus they would remove them for the public safety. At least until they were well. The same should go for folks with mental illness, myself included.

Take it easy here, guys. Let's not take this down any roads that could get the thread locked.

[mizerable]

I wonder how long before the media coverage milk everything out of this before they sweep it under the rug without really changing a single thing. I see the same thing happening as it did at Virginia Tech.

[wrasslinmachine]

This is upsetting to read and listen to on the news. I am actually in tears and it hits home since I work in an elementary school.

[Krimzon]

Dec 14, 2012 16:21:01 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

Just putting this out there, but is there anything that could realistically be done to stop this? Like, you can put up metal detectors and stuff, but if someone's determined to do something like this is that really going to stop them? And about the "mental health" argument, what can you feasibly do to make sure that it doesn't get to that point? I'm not saying that nothing should be done, since obviously something isn't working but I just don't know what they could do.

This is where we defer to people in various fields (doctors/politicians/researchers) to do something, because we don't really know what we can do.

[mizerable]

I think a good way to start isn't to rank this against any other school shooting, as they're all tragic. Yes, it is the second worst shooting ever, but remember after Virginia Tech? Remember what other troubled kids were saying? I remember at least 3 stories about kids talking about how they were "going to top" Virginia Tech like it was some kind of challenge. What is this fascination with being an infamous person?

[biafra]

Dec 14, 2012 16:32:43 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Dec 14, 2012 16:21:46 GMT -5 biafra said:

As someone who has been treated for mental illness, I should not be legally able to own a gun. If a person showed, god forbid, symptoms of a highly contagious, deadly virus they would remove them for the public safety. At least until they were well. The same should go for folks with mental illness, myself included.

Take it easy here, guys. Let's not take this down any roads that could get the thread locked.

Sorry.

[HMARK Center]

Dec 14, 2012 16:38:17 GMT -5 Krimzon said:

Dec 14, 2012 16:21:01 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

Just putting this out there, but is there anything that could realistically be done to stop this? Like, you can put up metal detectors and stuff, but if someone's determined to do something like this is that really going to stop them? And about the "mental health" argument, what can you feasibly do to make sure that it doesn't get to that point? I'm not saying that nothing should be done, since obviously something isn't working but I just don't know what they could do.

This is where we defer to people in various fields (doctors/politicians/researchers) to do something, because we don't really know what we can do.

There's a problem with that, though; if we, as a society, don't change first, then we're likely not going to see the necessary changes come from the top down. Historically, major changes only come about as a result of social movements (be they slow, glacial paced shifts over time or radical, more instant ones), not as a result of people at the top stepping up to introduce reforms.

[jamofpearls]

I just want to go home and proceed to get drunk. Need to laugh.

[deadstock]

Dec 14, 2012 16:36:40 GMT -5 mizerable said:

I wonder how long before the media coverage milk everything out of this before they sweep it under the rug without really changing a single thing. I see the same thing happening as it did at Virginia Tech.

Probably not much because those that are in charge have 2 faces sympathy in public callous when alone.
We will talk an talk get tired move on to the next big tragedy an return to this situation when it occurs again because nothing was done in the first place.

If this leads to a change on our view an actions concerning the mental aspects of individuals in these situations i will support it .

If this leads to improve security for schools while still maintaining privacy i will support that.

If this leads to stricter gun laws i wont support that because guns don't kill by simply being guns.
People kill people an contrary to popular believe statistics show your more likely to get knifed then shot in all of the USA.

Not turning this to a Gun talk im only adding examples to my statement.

[Bone Daddy]

Now they're reporting that he has aspergers. I hope this doesn't.. you know

[Mochi Lone Wolf]

Dec 14, 2012 16:42:05 GMT -5 mizerable said:

I think a good way to start isn't to rank this against any other school shooting, as they're all tragic. Yes, it is the second worst shooting ever, but remember after Virginia Tech? Remember what other troubled kids were saying? I remember at least 3 stories about kids talking about how they were "going to top" Virginia Tech like it was some kind of challenge. What is this fascination with being an infamous person?

Some people just get off on the idea of being mentioned by the media and public officials and if it means going outside the law to do so, they will.

[Urethra Franklin]

Dec 14, 2012 16:21:01 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

Just putting this out there, but is there anything that could realistically be done to stop this? Like, you can put up metal detectors and stuff, but if someone's determined to do something like this is that really going to stop them? And about the "mental health" argument, what can you feasibly do to make sure that it doesn't get to that point? I'm not saying that nothing should be done, since obviously something isn't working but I just don't know what they could do.

Lots.

Mental health awareness is a serious issue and illnesses of the mind must be talked about just as much as cancer or any other illness of the body.

But also, gun control.

The same thing happened today in China, only the perpetrator used a knife. 22 children attacked. Nobody died.

[Andrew is Good]

There is one thing that could help, but again, it can't be discussed because it goes into politics. Will it always stop tragedy? No, but I feel it can at least reduce the possibility of something like this happening. Stuff like this happens in other countries, but it's rare in comparison. Why? What's so different? Also, trying to understand the guy is perfectly fine, it's not justifying the action.

[Mochi Lone Wolf]

Dec 14, 2012 16:50:55 GMT -5 Bone Daddy said:

Now they're reporting that he has aspergers. I hope this doesn't.. you know

I've been treated for Asperger's since I was 8 years old. I can tell you without any hesitation that I've never once thought about shooting my own mother and innocent children.

I also don't know what symptoms or characteristics of Asperger's could cause something like this. Those with Asperger's(I refuse to say "Suffer from" because it's not something that causes any sort of suffering) have problems with obsessions and some social problems. However, I've never heard of a single case of someone with the condition going this far in that regard.

[xCompackx]

Dec 14, 2012 16:42:05 GMT -5 mizerable said:

I think a good way to start isn't to rank this against any other school shooting, as they're all tragic. Yes, it is the second worst shooting ever, but remember after Virginia Tech? Remember what other troubled kids were saying? I remember at least 3 stories about kids talking about how they were "going to top" Virginia Tech like it was some kind of challenge. What is this fascination with being an infamous person?

Yeah, that needs to stop. Any shooting where anyone gets hurt/killed is horrible and it's an amazingly stupid thing to keep saying like it's a competition or something.

[Deleted]

I will never understand this rampage. Usually in these high profile shooing rampages one can at least rationalize the shooters motives, but when someone murders 20 innocent children there is no way that one can make sense of it.

I mean obviously the guy had some issue with his mother, but why kill the kids? They were no threat to him. Just completely senseless.

[Triple H buried SnS]

Fox is now saying Ryan's brother, Adam, was the shooter. And that Ryan is actually in police custody, and not a suspect at this time.

[Deleted]

This is blowing up all over Facebook. There are kids that look about 12/13 years old who are trying to be edgy and make jokes about this and is trolling everybody on the page.

[#Classic Hi-Definition X]

Police have now confirmed that Adam Lanza shot and killed his mother Nancy at her home in Newton, CT.