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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 21, 2012 14:40:36 GMT -5
You mean aside from the dozen plus times he's demolished punk live on RAW? Honestly, Punk's done more to make Ryback look like a legit threat than I would have ever imagined. He fears Ryback, he's taken Shellshock nearly every week, he's had to hire outside help (allegedly) to hold on to his title. Sure Ryback hasn't won the title (and he probably won't) off Punk, but he's come out of this looking better, stronger, faster than anyone else on the roster thanks to Punk making him look a lot better than he actually he is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2012 14:42:17 GMT -5
Punks current character is just asking to be eventually humiliated by Ryback, I see Ryback destroying Punk in like a minute for the title
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Post by hughgrection on Dec 21, 2012 19:24:27 GMT -5
I still think that if Punk really is retiring in 2 years or less, nobody gets over on him, PERIOD, and he gets to retire with the belt and to perform the mother of all shoots on his way out. Did Punk marry the bosses daughter without me realizing? Just because he's had this year long+ reign doesn't mean he is all of a sudden WWE's golden boy. The title was on the back burner for most of this reign. I'd take this whole thing as more on an indictment of the state of the WWE championship than some scheme to get Punk over as the greatest most dominant champion ever. Cena, The Rock, HHH, and Undertaker are still all on a level above Punk and it will always be that way. But if that is what you think, it's exactly what they want. That's what makes long reigns like this interesting, because when they finally lose, it's seen as important or unexpected. And trust me, it's going to happen. Sorry but Punk doesn't strike me as someone who won't want to put over new stars on his way out. He's even stated one of the reasons he re-signed was to help the younger guys out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2012 19:36:53 GMT -5
You mean aside from the dozen plus times he's demolished punk live on RAW? Honestly, Punk's done more to make Ryback look like a legit threat than I would have ever imagined. He fears Ryback, he's taken Shellshock nearly every week, he's had to hire outside help (allegedly) to hold on to his title. Sure Ryback hasn't won the title (and he probably won't) off Punk, but he's come out of this looking better, stronger, faster than anyone else on the roster thanks to Punk making him look a lot better than he actually he is. By that logic, it would've been fine if Sting didn't beat Hogan cause he beat him up multiple times before Starrcade. Despite all the Shellshocks, Punk still has the title and that means he hasn't gotten his comeuppance. The endgame for this angle is ending his reign and I'd rather have that used to make a new star than to pad an established one's resume.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 21, 2012 19:46:35 GMT -5
You mean aside from the dozen plus times he's demolished punk live on RAW? Honestly, Punk's done more to make Ryback look like a legit threat than I would have ever imagined. He fears Ryback, he's taken Shellshock nearly every week, he's had to hire outside help (allegedly) to hold on to his title. Sure Ryback hasn't won the title (and he probably won't) off Punk, but he's come out of this looking better, stronger, faster than anyone else on the roster thanks to Punk making him look a lot better than he actually he is. By that logic, it would've been fine if Sting didn't beat Hogan cause he beat him up multiple times before Starrcade. Despite all the Shellshocks, Punk still has the title and that means he hasn't gotten his comeuppance. The endgame for this angle is ending his reign and I'd rather have that used to make a new star than to pad an established one's resume. Exactly. The only reason he's hit the shellshock so much is to give the audience a taste of what he has in store for him once he gets an official match. If he comes up short again, then it'll all be for nothing. You can't expect the fans to rally behind a face if he can't beat a guy in a match, where he's destroyed him on multiple occasions. The Ryback hype isn't going to last forever, so I'd say it's a good idea to move forward while you have people's attention, instead of giving him a crappy WHC reign over Big Show, who he has absolutely nothing to do with at this time.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 21, 2012 19:46:43 GMT -5
I still think that if Punk really is retiring in 2 years or less, nobody gets over on him, PERIOD, and he gets to retire with the belt and to perform the mother of all shoots on his way out. Did Punk marry the bosses daughter without me realizing? Just because he's had this year long+ reign doesn't mean he is all of a sudden WWE's golden boy. The title was on the back burner for most of this reign. I'd take this whole thing as more on an indictment of the state of the WWE championship than some scheme to get Punk over as the greatest most dominant champion ever. Cena, The Rock, HHH, and Undertaker are still all on a level above Punk and it will always be that way. But if that is what you think, it's exactly what they want. That's what makes long reigns like this interesting, because when they finally lose, it's seen as important or unexpected. And trust me, it's going to happen. Sorry but Punk doesn't strike me as someone who won't want to put over new stars on his way out. He's even stated one of the reasons he re-signed was to help the younger guys out. Actually, my entire point was that he'll do it because WWE doesn't HAVE any plans at all, other than "Rock's showing up at the Royal Rumble". It's not some scheme, because WWE is running around with their heads cut off and no ideas. They can keep the belt on Punk until he retires (again, this is only if he has 2 years or less to go on his contract) and finally introduce that new title belt they've supposedly had made after Punk takes the old one out of the company with him when his contract's up. It's more a "he gets it the entire time by default" thing.
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Post by hughgrection on Dec 21, 2012 20:16:45 GMT -5
Did Punk marry the bosses daughter without me realizing? Just because he's had this year long+ reign doesn't mean he is all of a sudden WWE's golden boy. The title was on the back burner for most of this reign. I'd take this whole thing as more on an indictment of the state of the WWE championship than some scheme to get Punk over as the greatest most dominant champion ever. Cena, The Rock, HHH, and Undertaker are still all on a level above Punk and it will always be that way. But if that is what you think, it's exactly what they want. That's what makes long reigns like this interesting, because when they finally lose, it's seen as important or unexpected. And trust me, it's going to happen. Sorry but Punk doesn't strike me as someone who won't want to put over new stars on his way out. He's even stated one of the reasons he re-signed was to help the younger guys out. Actually, my entire point was that he'll do it because WWE doesn't HAVE any plans at all, other than "Rock's showing up at the Royal Rumble". It's not some scheme, because WWE is running around with their heads cut off and no ideas. They can keep the belt on Punk until he retires (again, this is only if he has 2 years or less to go on his contract) and finally introduce that new title belt they've supposedly had made after Punk takes the old one out of the company with him when his contract's up. It's more a "he gets it the entire time by default" thing. Ok, I thought you were joking at first, but now...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 1:30:15 GMT -5
You mean aside from the dozen plus times he's demolished punk live on RAW? Honestly, Punk's done more to make Ryback look like a legit threat than I would have ever imagined. He fears Ryback, he's taken Shellshock nearly every week, he's had to hire outside help (allegedly) to hold on to his title. Sure Ryback hasn't won the title (and he probably won't) off Punk, but he's come out of this looking better, stronger, faster than anyone else on the roster thanks to Punk making him look a lot better than he actually he is. By that logic, it would've been fine if Sting didn't beat Hogan cause he beat him up multiple times before Starrcade. Despite all the Shellshocks, Punk still has the title and that means he hasn't gotten his comeuppance. The endgame for this angle is ending his reign and I'd rather have that used to make a new star than to pad an established one's resume. Sting was already a former WHC, a franchise player in WCW and built up to be a huge star rivaling the nWo. Him winning the title was more a symbolic victory over the nWo (which ultimately meant nothing considering he joined them later on). Ryback is a brand new star. It's more important for him to LOOK good than actually win a title. In this case Punk's made him look good as gold and better than any other face on the roster by NOT giving him the title but establishing the fact that Punk fears Ryback. If you actually thought the endgame for this angle was Ryback winning the title less than 9 months after debuting, well - that's just seems highly unlikely. He's popular, but not even close enough to being so over that they'd put the title on him that quickly. From the beginning of the feud, it was obvious this was more about teasing out Ryback as a star, not putting the WWE title on him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 1:35:01 GMT -5
By that logic, it would've been fine if Sting didn't beat Hogan cause he beat him up multiple times before Starrcade. Despite all the Shellshocks, Punk still has the title and that means he hasn't gotten his comeuppance. The endgame for this angle is ending his reign and I'd rather have that used to make a new star than to pad an established one's resume. Exactly. The only reason he's hit the shellshock so much is to give the audience a taste of what he has in store for him once he gets an official match. If he comes up short again, then it'll all be for nothing. You can't expect the fans to rally behind a face if he can't beat a guy in a match, where he's destroyed him on multiple occasions. The Ryback hype isn't going to last forever, so I'd say it's a good idea to move forward while you have people's attention, instead of giving him a crappy WHC reign over Big Show, who he has absolutely nothing to do with at this time. The reason he's hit the Shellshock so many times (and Punk getting NO retribution) is to make him look dominant, but not put the title on him - which would be a HUGE mistake at this point. The very definition of too much too soon. You want to build up the anticipation, the drama. Guys like Austin who was a million times more popular that Ryback didn't win the title until they were at least in the company for a few years. In the past few years, Punk's never looked weaker than he has in his attempts to make Ryback a rising star.
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Post by Big L on Dec 22, 2012 8:24:34 GMT -5
Honestly, I doubt it. CM Punk vs. The Rock at Royal Rumble looks to be set in stone at this point.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Dec 22, 2012 11:37:59 GMT -5
I'd really like to believe that the signs are all bait and switch, Ryback will win the Rumble, Punk will beat the Rock at the Rumble, and when all hope is lost, Ryback dethrones Punk at Wrestlemania. Making him a made man and giving him a Wrestlemania moment in the main event of the biggest event of the year. Instead, he'll probably be getting one of the Shield at Wrestlemania, if they're even booked for it. Actually not the worst idea I've ever heard
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 22, 2012 16:57:01 GMT -5
Exactly. The only reason he's hit the shellshock so much is to give the audience a taste of what he has in store for him once he gets an official match. If he comes up short again, then it'll all be for nothing. You can't expect the fans to rally behind a face if he can't beat a guy in a match, where he's destroyed him on multiple occasions. The Ryback hype isn't going to last forever, so I'd say it's a good idea to move forward while you have people's attention, instead of giving him a crappy WHC reign over Big Show, who he has absolutely nothing to do with at this time. The reason he's hit the Shellshock so many times (and Punk getting NO retribution) is to make him look dominant, but not put the title on him - which would be a HUGE mistake at this point. The very definition of too much too soon. You want to build up the anticipation, the drama. Guys like Austin who was a million times more popular that Ryback didn't win the title until they were at least in the company for a few years. In the past few years, Punk's never looked weaker than he has in his attempts to make Ryback a rising star. One thing being forgotten is that it also makes Ryback look like a choker, a guy who shits the bed each and every single time he's up on the big stage.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 20:29:08 GMT -5
Which is why he must take the title from Punk. WWE has failed to cast the iron while it's hot in the last couple of years, so now that they have a chance to do just that and pull the trigger on Ryback winning at Mania... It's a bad thing? I don't understand that logic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 20:55:19 GMT -5
The reason he's hit the Shellshock so many times (and Punk getting NO retribution) is to make him look dominant, but not put the title on him - which would be a HUGE mistake at this point. The very definition of too much too soon. You want to build up the anticipation, the drama. Guys like Austin who was a million times more popular that Ryback didn't win the title until they were at least in the company for a few years. In the past few years, Punk's never looked weaker than he has in his attempts to make Ryback a rising star. One thing being forgotten is that it also makes Ryback look like a choker, a guy who s***s the bed each and every single time he's up on the big stage. How has he shit the bed on any of the PPV's? It's not like he lost clean or even dropped the ball. First time the ref lowblowed & fast counted him. (Not Ryback's fault). 2nd time THREE dudes had to interfere (again, didn't make Ryback look like he choked - it was out of his control). I'm at a loss as to how it makes Ryback look stupid or weak on either account. Actually WWE's done a really good job of making him look stronger than the current WWE champ.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 20:57:51 GMT -5
Which is why he must take the title from Punk. WWE has failed to cast the iron while it's hot in the last couple of years, so now that they have a chance to do just that and pull the trigger on Ryback winning at Mania... It's a bad thing? I don't understand that logic. I think there's a concern of Ryback being more than just a flash in the pan. They seem to want to actually build him up and make him a franchise in WWE before giving him the title. Either that or they're just really gunshy after being burned in the past by guys like Lesnar and Lashley (2 other guys they made look super-dominant, then bolted)
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Post by bearned on Dec 22, 2012 21:45:49 GMT -5
One on one they have made it quite clear Ryback can easily destroy Punk. It's interesting because I thought Cesaro looked like more of a threat to Ryback than Punk ever has when they wrestled on Smackdown....
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 23, 2012 3:06:11 GMT -5
Yes, at WM. Hopefully it's not a squash. Seriously, I'm willing to kick some nuts over it.
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