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Post by wrestling4ever on Dec 27, 2012 22:26:28 GMT -5
Rock and Cena make me embaressed to be a wrestling fan. Rocks time has passed and he comes in one or two times a year stealing the spotlight from up and coming talent while Cena...well we all know what hes like. I feel bad for Punk if he has to drop the title to either of these two clowns. lol at feeling bad for Punk over that.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 28, 2012 0:38:07 GMT -5
Rock and Cena make me embaressed to be a wrestling fan. Rocks time has passed and he comes in one or two times a year stealing the spotlight from up and coming talent while Cena...well we all know what hes like. I feel bad for Punk if he has to drop the title to either of these two clowns. lol at feeling bad for Punk over that. I feel bad for the guy because he got railroaded last summer when he was white hot, and then had to play second-fiddle to John Cena for a year until turning heel. It just doesn't make sense, and it's not the kind of thing WWE used to do. I'm not saying this as some CM Punk fanboy, because WWE does this to everyone now. They did it to Kofi Kingston, Wade Barrett, Christian, and I'm sure they'll soon do it to Ryback. They build these guys up and get the crowd behind them/booing them louder than anyone in the company, and then they just cut them off at the knees so that they can proceed with same-old same-old.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 28, 2012 1:01:43 GMT -5
lol at feeling bad for Punk over that. I feel bad for the guy because he got railroaded last summer when he was white hot, and then had to play second-fiddle to John Cena for a year until turning heel. It just doesn't make sense, and it's not the kind of thing WWE used to do. I'm not saying this as some CM Punk fanboy, because WWE does this to everyone now. They did it to Kofi Kingston, Wade Barrett, Christian, and I'm sure they'll soon do it to Ryback. They build these guys up and get the crowd behind them/booing them louder than anyone in the company, and then they just cut them off at the knees so that they can proceed with same-old same-old. Punk isn't a ratings draw. There's your answer.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 28, 2012 1:16:34 GMT -5
I feel bad for the guy because he got railroaded last summer when he was white hot, and then had to play second-fiddle to John Cena for a year until turning heel. It just doesn't make sense, and it's not the kind of thing WWE used to do. I'm not saying this as some CM Punk fanboy, because WWE does this to everyone now. They did it to Kofi Kingston, Wade Barrett, Christian, and I'm sure they'll soon do it to Ryback. They build these guys up and get the crowd behind them/booing them louder than anyone in the company, and then they just cut them off at the knees so that they can proceed with same-old same-old. Punk isn't a ratings draw. There's your answer. And who is these days?
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 28, 2012 1:18:20 GMT -5
Punk isn't a ratings draw. There's your answer. And who is these days? Cena never lost ratings during an overrun segment. Hell, CM Punk's the only champion to do it (and only guy alongside Bryan and Tensai)
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Post by BigWill on Dec 28, 2012 1:21:31 GMT -5
Cena never lost ratings during an overrun segment. Hell, CM Punk's the only champion to do it (and only guy alongside Bryan and Tensai) So what would you have the WWE do? Revolve the show around John Cena all year round?
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 28, 2012 1:26:46 GMT -5
Cena never lost ratings during an overrun segment. Hell, CM Punk's the only champion to do it (and only guy alongside Bryan and Tensai) So what would you have the WWE do? Revolve the show around John Cena all year round? I didn't say that, but I also wouldn't keep pushing the guy as champion that is doing bad for my ratings.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 28, 2012 1:29:23 GMT -5
So what would you have the WWE do? Revolve the show around John Cena all year round? I didn't say that, but I also wouldn't keep pushing the guy as champion that is doing bad for my ratings. Then who should they push?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 28, 2012 1:45:20 GMT -5
I tell you what, if Rock and/or Cena as WWE Champion don't end up being the fix WWE want for their ratings, it's going to make things very interesting.
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Post by The Portable Stove on Dec 28, 2012 2:22:41 GMT -5
Punk isn't a ratings draw. There's your answer. And who is these days? Sad answer? The Rock.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Dec 28, 2012 5:02:40 GMT -5
Hey, sad but true. The Rock is a draw inside AND outside of wrestling. Punk isn't. It's just like that.
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Post by Arrow on Dec 28, 2012 5:29:10 GMT -5
Just a general warning - Rock probably won't do that much for ratings, if anything at all, should he win the title.
And it's not because people aren't interested or that he isn't a draw, it's because of 1) three hour shows and 2) because there are so many different avenues to see WWE programming these days. Remember WrestleMania season last year? Ratings hardly changed at all, but a record number of people were there to buy WrestleMania. Just because they weren't tuning in in record numbers didn't mean they weren't interested.
It won't be the quality of the product either. Remember how little ratings changed when the build to Money in the Bank and SummerSlam 2011 was going on?
When Rock showed up in 2011, his appearance was an event, the return of a superstar who hadn't been seen in nearly a decade. But now that we've gotten used to Rock playing a part in television programming, it's not special to see him on television anymore.
He'll most likely still do very well for business, but you're not going to see it in the ratings.
I'll never miss a chance to blame CM Punk for anything that I think is his fault, but I wouldn't blame the low ratings on him either. He's still not proven to be anywhere near the draw of John Cena and especially not The Rock, but the issue with ratings can probably be blamed on the three-hour shows, the fact that you can see WWE programming the very next day on the Internet (which causes Raw to lose a lot of that 'must-see' feel), and the different variety of competition on TV out there.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 28, 2012 5:40:48 GMT -5
Just a general warning - Rock probably won't do that much for ratings, if anything at all, should he win the title. And it's not because people aren't interested or that he isn't a draw, it's because of 1) three hour shows and 2) because there are so many different avenues to see WWE programming these days. Remember WrestleMania season last year? Ratings hardly changed at all, but a record number of people were there to buy WrestleMania. Just because they weren't tuning in in record numbers didn't mean they weren't interested. It won't be the quality of the product either. Remember how little ratings changed when the build to Money in the Bank and SummerSlam 2011 was going on? When Rock showed up in 2011, his appearance was an event, the return of a superstar who hadn't been seen in nearly a decade. But now that we've gotten used to Rock playing a part in television programming, it's not special to see him on television anymore. He'll most likely still do very well for business, but you're not going to see it in the ratings. I'll never miss a chance to blame CM Punk for anything, but I wouldn't blame the low ratings on him either. He's still not proven to be anywhere near the draw of John Cena and especially not The Rock, but the issue with ratings can probably be blamed on the three-hour shows, the fact that you can see WWE programming the very next day on the Internet (which causes Raw to lose a lot of that 'must-see' feel), and the different variety of competition on TV out there. The thing is though that Punk's ratings weren't good even before the 3 hour switch. That's why they kept putting him in the 10 PM spot, and eventually just opening the show since the other 2 segments did better without him.
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Post by Arrow on Dec 28, 2012 5:58:50 GMT -5
Well I can't speak for whatever happened before the change to 3-hours. I'm just talking about recently. The ratings will probably remain low no matter what, even when Rock shows up and if he wins the title.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Dec 28, 2012 7:34:40 GMT -5
lol at feeling bad for Punk over that. I feel bad for the guy because he got railroaded last summer when he was white hot, and then had to play second-fiddle to John Cena for a year until turning heel. It just doesn't make sense, and it's not the kind of thing WWE used to do. I'm not saying this as some CM Punk fanboy, because WWE does this to everyone now. They did it to Kofi Kingston, Wade Barrett, Christian, and I'm sure they'll soon do it to Ryback. They build these guys up and get the crowd behind them/booing them louder than anyone in the company, and then they just cut them off at the knees so that they can proceed with same-old same-old. That I could understand someone feeling sorry for. But hey, hes pumped out some great matches, still has loyal fans, and is on a title reign that will go down in history no matter how you look at it. He may not be the huge megastar it seemed like he was being groomed towards, but I'd say hes doing ok.
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Post by Snaptastic on Dec 28, 2012 9:19:39 GMT -5
Well I can't speak for whatever happened before the change to 3-hours. I'm just talking about recently. The ratings will probably remain low no matter what, even when Rock shows up and if he wins the title. The viewing audience will be used to Rock not being there every other week so that will affect ratings. But I'd say a situation where you put Rock as your WWE champion, implies that he'll be there every week (if he's not then it's completely stupid). That could help ratings a little.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 28, 2012 9:24:13 GMT -5
I feel bad for the guy because he got railroaded last summer when he was white hot, and then had to play second-fiddle to John Cena for a year until turning heel. It just doesn't make sense, and it's not the kind of thing WWE used to do. I'm not saying this as some CM Punk fanboy, because WWE does this to everyone now. They did it to Kofi Kingston, Wade Barrett, Christian, and I'm sure they'll soon do it to Ryback. They build these guys up and get the crowd behind them/booing them louder than anyone in the company, and then they just cut them off at the knees so that they can proceed with same-old same-old. Punk isn't a ratings draw. There's your answer. I never got this. "Punk couldn't draw ratings his first year on top (or as close to it as they let him), so drop him off and bring back the old guys." The Attitude Era officially started, so to speak, in '97. Didn't it take at least a couple of years for them to start really raking in ratings? "Punk isn't a ratings draw." Punk was never given the time to be a ratings draw!
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Post by Snaptastic on Dec 28, 2012 9:31:56 GMT -5
Punk isn't a ratings draw. There's your answer. I never got this. "Punk couldn't draw ratings his first year on top (or as close to it as they let him), so drop him off and bring back the old guys." The Attitude Era officially started, so to speak, in '97. Didn't it take at least a couple of years for them to start really raking in ratings? "Punk isn't a ratings draw." Punk was never given the time to be a ratings draw! Yes but many of those attitude era guys wouldn't draw a dime even today. There are only a few exceptions to the rule that could pull in the buyrates we've seen. One of the is The Rock and I think Austin in a match could pull just as much. Although I will go out on a limb and say Rock is the biggest draw they have even if Austin could still go.
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Post by Arrow on Dec 28, 2012 9:34:38 GMT -5
Punk isn't a ratings draw. There's your answer. I never got this. "Punk couldn't draw ratings his first year on top (or as close to it as they let him), so drop him off and bring back the old guys." The Attitude Era officially started, so to speak, in '97. Didn't it take at least a couple of years for them to start really raking in ratings? "Punk isn't a ratings draw." Punk was never given the time to be a ratings draw! Ratings actually started rising around November 1997, which is around the time time Austin really started getting big (his feud with McMahon, preparation for his Royal Rumble victory) and continued rising in 1998 when Austin entered the main event. That didn't happen in 2011. I don't think they ever cooled off on Punk, nor do I think he's necessarily ratings poison. It's simply that he never was - and still isn't - the most profitable guy on the show. Austin was in late '97 (or early 1998), no one in WWF was hotter than him. Punk still isn't where Cena, Rock, HHH, 'Taker, Brock are.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 28, 2012 11:01:04 GMT -5
Ratings arguments of now vs then are never gonna be comparable anyway. Way too many other factors than one wrestler to properly make an apples-apples comparisom.
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