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Post by Cela on Jan 8, 2013 16:30:18 GMT -5
It isn't. Looks like crap, and has no impact. Now, is it impressive as a lift? ...sure. Deadlifting 400 lbs isn't easy, but isn't exactly impossible, or noteworthy. I can guarantee most people couldn't do that. As mentioned, he's also dealing with the extra weight they're applying to his knees. It's incredible to have the strength needed for that. It's also impressive to farmer carry hundreds of pounds the length of a football field, but it doesn't make for entertaining wrestling.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 8, 2013 16:32:13 GMT -5
I like the move just fine.
I just wish the uppercut was his finisher.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 8, 2013 16:49:50 GMT -5
I reckon when he graduates to fully fledged main event matches he'll change up what move he finishes with. But up to now most of his matches have required him to show a dominance in victory. To those ends the Neutralizer works well. It's slow, methodical and acts as a signifier of the end of a match.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jan 8, 2013 16:54:24 GMT -5
It's weird, Khali actually looks small when Cesaro does the Neutralizer to him. Wonder how BIg Show would sell it. Big Show would probably never take it, he rarely takes bumps on his knees.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Jan 8, 2013 17:20:20 GMT -5
Yeah I was more impressed with the Great Khali's ability to participate in that stunt.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 8, 2013 17:27:54 GMT -5
It isn't. Looks like crap, and has no impact. Now, is it impressive as a lift? ...sure. Deadlifting 400 lbs isn't easy, but isn't exactly impossible, or noteworthy. To be fair, a sleeper doesn't look very impressive, but you can kill somebody with one of them. I like the finisher, especially when he does the move on someone really big, and you can clearly see him struggling with his knees shaking. Unless he's a really great seller, it's a legit feat of strength. And yes, it is noteworthy. If it wasn't, the crowd wouldn't have reacted to it like they did, and have whenever Cesaro does something like that to bigger guys. Cesaro hitting a giant swing on a guy like Grizzly Redwood isn't impressive either. It's kind of a stupid looking move. Of course, until he does 100 rotations, then holy balls.
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Post by Super Weak Machine on Jan 8, 2013 20:38:39 GMT -5
It's no more impressive than Minoru Suzuki's Gotch piledrivers on 450 lb. Ryota Hama.
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Post by Henry Mark on Jan 8, 2013 22:44:45 GMT -5
It's no more impressive than Minoru Suzuki's Gotch piledrivers on 450 lb. Ryota Hama. Thanks! Just YouTube'd that, very impressive! Cesaro is no more impressive doing it than what I just watched, because they're both impressive. They're crazy deadlifts with all weight being supported by the knees and thighs. I'm far more impressed seeing this move done compared to seeing Brock/Cena/Ryback Fireman Carry a heavy guy. And Cesaro hasn't ever been able to not lift is opponent...
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Post by Dub H on Jan 8, 2013 23:15:37 GMT -5
The lifting is impressive
The dropping no? And yeh i HATE the styles clash.He deosnt just drop face first,he basically places the body onthe ground.
The Pedigree is supposed to hit the head with all strenght at least.But the neutralizer....that move is a giant let down for me
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 23:21:20 GMT -5
Cesaro makes that move look as good as he can, but it's just not interesting. It looks less devastating than a body slam.
Hopefully he switches it up down the line, that Alphamarie water slide is crazy badass though.
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Post by mrjl on Jan 8, 2013 23:22:16 GMT -5
YOU do that to a 400lber and see how easy it is. Look at the difference between that move and a pile driver. He is clearly deadlifting them actually, the way he lifts them, with his knees bent underneath them at, instead of lifting them straight up and down like a pile driver, it's kind of impressive he doesn't end up falling back and dropping them on their heads
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Post by Scott on Jan 9, 2013 0:35:50 GMT -5
These moves are going to be limited by the "safe style" anyway. I give him credit for both the lift and having the control to not drop the opponent awkwardly on his head.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Jan 9, 2013 3:12:28 GMT -5
It isn't. Looks like crap, and has no impact.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jan 9, 2013 3:21:03 GMT -5
He needs to make it his signature move and switch to that wicked uppercut as his finisher. I think he'll do it, eventually. Even Sheamus went back to the brogue kick after the Razor's Edge.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 9, 2013 3:23:14 GMT -5
He needs to make it his signature move and switch to that wicked uppercut as his finisher. I think he'll do it, eventually. Even Sheamus went back to the brogue kick after the Razor's Edge. I actually think the upper cut is better as a signature. Swiss Death then Neutralizer has that Spear/Jackhammer feel to it. Or one could say that the uppercut IS his finisher, while the Neutralizer is the exclamation point, like the People's Elbow.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 9, 2013 3:38:13 GMT -5
He also holds the guy for a few seconds, so a lot of it comes from the holding up of the guy, not the slam.
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Post by hughgrection on Jan 9, 2013 13:24:16 GMT -5
The lifting is impressive The dropping no? And yeh i HATE the styles clash.He deosnt just drop face first,he basically places the body onthe ground. The Pedigree is supposed to hit the head with all strenght at least.But the neutralizer....that move is a giant let down for me Don't see how it's that much different from the Pedigree since HHH doesn't hook the arms anymore.
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Post by Henry Mark on Jan 9, 2013 13:36:14 GMT -5
I'll defend the impact of the Pedigree and say Trip's entire weight is going down on the opponents head/neck when they land. The Styles Clash and Neutralizer don't have that, the guy doing the move has his torso on the opponents back, at most the weight of their crotch is all that's hitting the head & neck area. So maybe the Pedigree knocks a guy out (Cerebral Assassin and all) from head impact, and the Styles Clash & Neutralizer knock the wind out of you from the torso? I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 13:59:40 GMT -5
Do people who have a problem with the impact have an issue with the X-Factor, Pedigree, Style's Clash, Angel's Wings, or any other move that ends in a similar impact? If he hooked their arms, would it somehow be different? The problem with that POV is that nobody likes the Styles Clash, Angel's Wings, or the X-Factor (seriously X-Pac is the LAST guy to use as a counterexample), and Triple H used to make the Pedigree look like death until his latest face run.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Jan 9, 2013 14:02:57 GMT -5
Do people who have a problem with the impact have an issue with the X-Factor, Pedigree, Style's Clash, Angel's Wings, or any other move that ends in a similar impact? If he hooked their arms, would it somehow be different? The problem with that POV is that nobody likes the Styles Clash, Angel's Wings, or the X-Factor (seriously X-Pac is the LAST guy to use as a counterexample), and Triple H used to make the Pedigree look like death until his latest face run. Who doesn't like the Angels Wings? I've never heard that complained about.
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