|
Post by Orange on Jan 13, 2013 0:47:22 GMT -5
I don't see why anyone should care when you or your friends think they should talk about it, there's nothing wrong with reflecting on the season after being eliminated. And yeah, I'd say it was far more gleeful than ironic. You've taken every single opportunity you could to criticize Manning and play up how wrong they were to take Manning over Tebow, and the teams weren't even off the field before you did it again. You ignore an entire season's performance because you want to focus on one game or one pass and pretend like that's all that matters, ignoring overall performance. And as far as you not arguing that they should have kept Tebow, I still remember the lengthy debate we had last year about it, just because how ludicrous the argument was. You were saying exactly that, that they should have kept Tebow and not gone after Manning, and as proof you kept trying to name teams that had worse seasons after picking up veterans, even though most of your examples weren't that at all. Backtracking now doesn't change the fact that you've been the biggest Tebow fanboy. Not the biggest Tebow fanboy and you can make of that how you want, I wasn't gleeful. I had the Broncos freaking picked to win that damn game. If I was going to be like that, I would have picked the Ravens and trash talked all week about how the Ravens were gonna kick that poser Manning's ass. But I wasn't. Oh and when I said that before hand, yeah I said they shouldnt have gone after Manning and given the kid a shot as Manning was coming back from 5 NECK SURGERIES, but I guess you missed the post where I said that Manning was the better choice in the end. I was wrong, it freaking happens. What, are you Mr. Perfect on your predictions? And my examples were of replacing the guy who got you far for a guy you think is better leading to bad results which by the way, my examples of Elvis Grbac over Trent Dilfer, Brett Favre over Chad Pennigton, and Rob Johnson over Doug Flutie are still sound in that department. I never said picking up veterans over younger guys was wrong. And the critcisms of Manning weren't because I had some unreasonable fandom of Tebow, they were always he isn't as good as people are making him out to be this season; he isn't going to get the Broncos to the Super Bowl; he isn't the be-all, end-all of QBs. I didn't believe he was the MVP until the end of the season because I wait until every game is played before I ultimately say who it is and until the end, there were reasonable contenders who performed better than him. Yeah, those are unreasonable arguments (note the sarcasm). You keep calling me the biggest fanboy of Tebow which is an insult so I am going to insult you by saying you are freaking delusional in that department. I like you, Seth. I've never had any problems with you - but your posts right after our hard loss were just "I told you so!" and kind of tasteless. There's nothing we can do about the Tebow situation, and all of its ups and downs - so what good does it do to sit here and talk about how wrong they did him and whatnot? There's nothing that can be done about it, and I don't think any of the parties would change that anyway. It's done and over with.
|
|
|
Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 13, 2013 0:50:38 GMT -5
Well, sorry..........but that's how I feel and that's how most people I know feel. The talk of next year really hits when the Super Bowl is done. And I did the Tebow thing as irony. I wasn't gleeful as I said it, I just thought it was funny after all the stuff that was said.....they ended up at the same spot. I would have probably not felt that if the Denver Broncos this year were not overhyped and I had not been bombarded by almost every NFL "analyst" saying that the Broncos were either going to be in the Super Bowl or win the Super Bowl. You're not looking at the big picture - we didn't end up in the same spot. Last season we backed into the playoffs at 8-8, thanks to stupidity from whatever running back that was that dove out of bounds on that play and saved our season in the process. This season we made the rest of the AFC our bitch and went 13-3, got the first round bye and homefield advantage - something we haven't had in YEARS. And if we had lost next week - you would've said the same thing, but how we only got a week farther. Most Bronco fans have let Tebow go, maybe it's time for you to do the same - which ought to be easy considering you don't even like the team to begin with. 1) No.....if the Broncos made the AFC Championship Game, all I would have said is that the Broncos were not as good as almost every "analyst" thought they were. You get farther in the playoffs and win a playoff game, I can't make any argument that you did better overall. 2) So choking in the playoffs is better than backing into the playoffs and having some sort of cinderella run. I guess I'll go back and ask myself if I thought in 2008 the President's Cup Champion San Jose Sharks who lost in the first round made me feel better than 1993 the San Jose Sharks who pulled an upset over the heavily favored Detroit Red Wings (who won the President's Cup that year). No I wont because I know the answer would be Hell No. I can't look at the big picture until the freaking season is over for everyone.
|
|
|
Post by Orange on Jan 13, 2013 0:52:13 GMT -5
What Cinderella run? We beat the Steelers and then we became the Pats' bitch in the most embarrassing Broncos' game I've ever seen. That's not a Cinderella run, that's a typical Bronco season.
|
|
|
Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 13, 2013 0:57:07 GMT -5
What Cinderella run? We beat the Steelers and then we became the Pats' bitch in the most embarrassing Broncos' game I've ever seen. That's not a Cinderella run, that's a typical Bronco season. No it wasn't. You had not won a playoff game in a while. You were heavily the underdog against the Pittsburgh Steelers, even with the Steelers as banged up as they were. In fact, for many........it wasn't a matter of if the Steelers were going to win, it was by how much were the Steelers going to win. That's a Cinderella story, even if for one game.
|
|
Sektor
Unicron
The OTHER Big Red Machine.
Posts: 2,808
|
Post by Sektor on Jan 13, 2013 1:06:37 GMT -5
What Cinderella run? We beat the Steelers and then we became the Pats' bitch in the most embarrassing Broncos' game I've ever seen. That's not a Cinderella run, that's a typical Bronco season. No it wasn't. You had not won a playoff game in a while. You were heavily the underdog against the Pittsburgh Steelers, even with the Steelers as banged up as they were. In fact, for many........it wasn't a matter of if the Steelers were going to win, it was by how much were the Steelers going to win. That's a Cinderella story, even if for one game. Cinderella had a happy ending. Also, I'd like to point out that you're saying that one victory and then being run out of town is completely okay, but earning the #1 seed and losing a hard fought game that came down to a terribly botched kick is a failure.
|
|
|
Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 13, 2013 1:11:27 GMT -5
No it wasn't. You had not won a playoff game in a while. You were heavily the underdog against the Pittsburgh Steelers, even with the Steelers as banged up as they were. In fact, for many........it wasn't a matter of if the Steelers were going to win, it was by how much were the Steelers going to win. That's a Cinderella story, even if for one game. Cinderella had a happy ending. Also, I'd like to point out that you're saying that one victory and then being run out of town is completely okay, but earning the #1 seed and losing a hard fought game that came down to a terribly botched kick is a failure. In the sports world, Cinderella stories almost always end in a loss.
|
|
|
Post by Red Impact on Jan 13, 2013 1:12:50 GMT -5
I don't see why anyone should care when you or your friends think they should talk about it, there's nothing wrong with reflecting on the season after being eliminated. And yeah, I'd say it was far more gleeful than ironic. You've taken every single opportunity you could to criticize Manning and play up how wrong they were to take Manning over Tebow, and the teams weren't even off the field before you did it again. You ignore an entire season's performance because you want to focus on one game or one pass and pretend like that's all that matters, ignoring overall performance. And as far as you not arguing that they should have kept Tebow, I still remember the lengthy debate we had last year about it, just because how ludicrous the argument was. You were saying exactly that, that they should have kept Tebow and not gone after Manning, and as proof you kept trying to name teams that had worse seasons after picking up veterans, even though most of your examples weren't that at all. Backtracking now doesn't change the fact that you've been the biggest Tebow fanboy. Not the biggest Tebow fanboy and you can make of that how you want, I wasn't gleeful. I had the Broncos freaking picked to win that damn game. If I was going to be like that, I would have picked the Ravens and trash talked all week about how the Ravens were gonna kick that poser Manning's ass. But I wasn't. Oh and when I said that before hand, yeah I said they shouldnt have gone after Manning and given the kid a shot as Manning was coming back from 5 NECK SURGERIES, but I guess you missed the post where I said that Manning was the better choice in the end. I was wrong, it freaking happens. What, are you Mr. Perfect on your predictions? And my examples were of replacing the guy who got you far for a guy you think is better leading to bad results which by the way, my examples of Elvis Grbac over Trent Dilfer, Brett Favre over Chad Pennigton, and Rob Johnson over Doug Flutie are still sound in that department. I never said picking up veterans over younger guys was wrong. And the critcisms of Manning weren't because I had some unreasonable fandom of Tebow, they were always he isn't as good as people are making him out to be this season; he isn't going to get the Broncos to the Super Bowl; he isn't the be-all, end-all of QBs. I didn't believe he was the MVP until the end of the season because I wait until every game is played before I ultimately say who it is and until the end, there were reasonable contenders who performed better than him. Yeah, those are unreasonable arguments (note the sarcasm). You keep calling me the biggest fanboy of Tebow which is an insult so I am going to insult you by saying you are freaking delusional in that department. You can treat it as an insult as much as you want to, but considering the threads and how they go, I don't see it any differently (and who you picked really doesn't make a difference to me, since even Skip Bayless, who is far more obsessed than you are, picked the Steelers last year). I haven't seen anyone else treat this loss as karma for the Tebow situation, nor did anyone else bring him up immediately after the loss. I can't recall anyone else bringing up the trade after the Broncos lost to the Falcons. Even people who think he was good with the Broncos don't seem bring him up nearly as much. And I don't see anyone else declaring how "true fans" should look back on this season, this loss, or the Tebow situation. As far as Manning goes, you don't have to like him, but the fact that you seem to tie every bad game or shortcoming to the Tebow situation doesn't help. Yes, Manning is capable of having bad games. Yes, Manning does have a tendency to be hit or miss in the playoffs. That doesn't really relate to the Broncos picking him up at all, and if they don't win a Super Bowl with Manning, they sure as hell weren't going to win one with Tebow. And remember that the Pennington example still doesn't work, considering they went 4-12 the year before they got Brett Favre, and there are still enough examples of teams trading up from young guys who did pretty well and it working out just fine. This one will be another one, because trading up led to the team overall being better and not requiring come-from-behind heroics to beat previously winless teams.
|
|
|
Post by Orange on Jan 13, 2013 1:13:53 GMT -5
Why wasn't this a Cinderella story, then? A down on his luck QB gets 4 surgeries which leaves people to think that he'll never play again. Then, not only does he come back - but he goes 13-3 and gets the #1 seed - only to lose a tough game to a team that played harder.
How is Tebow backing in more legit than a guy who wasn't supposed to play again getting the #1 seed and sharing the best record in football?
|
|
|
Post by Red Impact on Jan 13, 2013 1:26:50 GMT -5
Why wasn't this a Cinderella story, then? A down on his luck QB gets 4 surgeries which leaves people to think that he'll never play again. Then, not only does he come back - but he goes 13-3 and gets the #1 seed - only to lose a tough game to a team that played harder. How is Tebow backing in more legit than a guy who wasn't supposed to play again getting the #1 seed and sharing the best record in football? It's not more legit, which is really the point and why Tebow was the better media story and is the better Cinderella story (although usually they last a lot longer than 1 week). The Broncos under Manning played well and dominated most of their games, save a few hiccups that come with any team over the course of year. The Broncos under Tebow were the Little Engine That Could. They weren't pretty, they weren't flashy, and they got demolished by the good teams they played, but were tenacious and pulled out wins when the chips were down. It didn't matter if they were pulling them out against bad teams, because they were winning and that was what mattered. It's like when they made Remember the Titans. The real team was so dominating that no one came close, and that doesn't make good movies. So they made them underdogs who barely won. Manning was the real life Titans, only without winning the title. Tebow was the movie Titans, only without winning the title.
|
|
|
Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 13, 2013 1:28:29 GMT -5
Not the biggest Tebow fanboy and you can make of that how you want, I wasn't gleeful. I had the Broncos freaking picked to win that damn game. If I was going to be like that, I would have picked the Ravens and trash talked all week about how the Ravens were gonna kick that poser Manning's ass. But I wasn't. Oh and when I said that before hand, yeah I said they shouldnt have gone after Manning and given the kid a shot as Manning was coming back from 5 NECK SURGERIES, but I guess you missed the post where I said that Manning was the better choice in the end. I was wrong, it freaking happens. What, are you Mr. Perfect on your predictions? And my examples were of replacing the guy who got you far for a guy you think is better leading to bad results which by the way, my examples of Elvis Grbac over Trent Dilfer, Brett Favre over Chad Pennigton, and Rob Johnson over Doug Flutie are still sound in that department. I never said picking up veterans over younger guys was wrong. And the critcisms of Manning weren't because I had some unreasonable fandom of Tebow, they were always he isn't as good as people are making him out to be this season; he isn't going to get the Broncos to the Super Bowl; he isn't the be-all, end-all of QBs. I didn't believe he was the MVP until the end of the season because I wait until every game is played before I ultimately say who it is and until the end, there were reasonable contenders who performed better than him. Yeah, those are unreasonable arguments (note the sarcasm). You keep calling me the biggest fanboy of Tebow which is an insult so I am going to insult you by saying you are freaking delusional in that department. You can treat it as an insult as much as you want to, but considering the threads and how they go, I don't see it any differently (and who you picked really doesn't make a difference to me, since even Skip Bayless, who is far more obsessed than you are, picked the Steelers last year). I haven't seen anyone else treat this loss as karma for the Tebow situation, nor did anyone else bring him up immediately after the loss. I can't recall anyone else bringing up the trade after the Broncos lost to the Falcons. Even people who think he was good with the Broncos don't seem bring him up nearly as much. And I don't see anyone else declaring how "true fans" should look back on this season, this loss, or the Tebow situation. And remember that the Pennington example still doesn't work, considering they went 4-12 the year before they got Brett Favre, and there are still enough examples of teams trading up from young guys who did pretty well and it working out just fine. This one will be another one, because trading up led to the team overall being better and not requiring come-from-behind heroics to beat previously winless teams. I dont believe I said anything about the trade during the Falcons loss, all I said was.....this was Manning's first real test and he was terrible (which he was). The only times I have brought up the Tebow situation was because I still thought it was a douchebag move by management the way they handled it. Like it or not, management handled it terribly with the lies and the whole throwing the guy under the bus. And while you can't change that, I will still call it as it was.......a complete mis-handling of a situation. Now I will say on you already putting this as an example of working out well even after one season is a little bit of a rush to judgement. Do we need to show the example of Brett Favre going to Minnesota. First year, it's all peaches until the terrible loss and the next, he did more harm to the team than good. And I will say I really don't treat this as karma, I will treat it as irony which it truly is. It's ironic after all that was said..........you ended the season at the same round you did last year. For this trade to ultimately work out for you, a Super Bowl win is a must. And that's only because of how overhyped the Broncos got by getting Manning.
|
|
|
Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 13, 2013 1:30:00 GMT -5
Why wasn't this a Cinderella story, then? A down on his luck QB gets 4 surgeries which leaves people to think that he'll never play again. Then, not only does he come back - but he goes 13-3 and gets the #1 seed - only to lose a tough game to a team that played harder. How is Tebow backing in more legit than a guy who wasn't supposed to play again getting the #1 seed and sharing the best record in football? It's not more legit, which is really the point and why Tebow was the better media story and is the better Cinderella story (although usually they last a lot longer than 1 week). The Broncos under Manning played well and dominated most of their games, save a few hiccups that come with any team over the course of year. The Broncos under Tebow were the Little Engine That Could. They weren't pretty, they weren't flashy, and they got demolished by the good teams they played, but were tenacious and pulled out wins when the chips were down. It didn't matter if they were pulling them out against bad teams, because they were winning and that was what mattered. It's like when they made Remember the Titans. The real team was so dominating that no one came close, and that doesn't make good movies. So they made them underdogs who barely won. Manning was the real life Titans, only without winning the title. Tebow was the movie Titans, only without winning the title. What he said.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 2:39:28 GMT -5
You're not looking at the big picture - we didn't end up in the same spot. Last season we backed into the playoffs at 8-8, thanks to stupidity from whatever running back that was that dove out of bounds on that play and saved our season in the process. This season we made the rest of the AFC our bitch and went 13-3, got the first round bye and homefield advantage - something we haven't had in YEARS. And if we had lost next week - you would've said the same thing, but how we only got a week farther. Most Bronco fans have let Tebow go, maybe it's time for you to do the same - which ought to be easy considering you don't even like the team to begin with. 1) No.....if the Broncos made the AFC Championship Game, all I would have said is that the Broncos were not as good as almost every "analyst" thought they were. You get farther in the playoffs and win a playoff game, I can't make any argument that you did better overall. 2) So choking in the playoffs is better than backing into the playoffs and having some sort of cinderella run. I guess I'll go back and ask myself if I thought in 2008 the President's Cup Champion San Jose Sharks who lost in the first round made me feel better than 1993 the San Jose Sharks who pulled an upset over the heavily favored Detroit Red Wings (who won the President's Cup that year). No I wont because I know the answer would be Hell No. I can't look at the big picture until the freaking season is over for everyone. There's no such thing as "President's Cup" in the National Hockey League.
|
|
|
Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 13, 2013 2:45:28 GMT -5
Just got off work and checked the scores.
*sigh* I knew it was coming. It was inevitable. That accursed 13-3 record......the Broncos should've thrown their last game against the Chiefs to avoid it.....
|
|
|
Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jan 13, 2013 4:46:40 GMT -5
I've said it before, but I would like to see Tebow in the CFL. I think that game would suit his skill set, it would let him develop a bit more, and bring some of the Tebow-maniacs to the CFL audience. He is not a awful player, but he does need some refinement, more that is available in the NFL for him at the moment it seems.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 6:19:07 GMT -5
You can treat it as an insult as much as you want to, but considering the threads and how they go, I don't see it any differently (and who you picked really doesn't make a difference to me, since even Skip Bayless, who is far more obsessed than you are, picked the Steelers last year). I haven't seen anyone else treat this loss as karma for the Tebow situation, nor did anyone else bring him up immediately after the loss. I can't recall anyone else bringing up the trade after the Broncos lost to the Falcons. Even people who think he was good with the Broncos don't seem bring him up nearly as much. And I don't see anyone else declaring how "true fans" should look back on this season, this loss, or the Tebow situation. And remember that the Pennington example still doesn't work, considering they went 4-12 the year before they got Brett Favre, and there are still enough examples of teams trading up from young guys who did pretty well and it working out just fine. This one will be another one, because trading up led to the team overall being better and not requiring come-from-behind heroics to beat previously winless teams. I dont believe I said anything about the trade during the Falcons loss, all I said was.....this was Manning's first real test and he was terrible (which he was). The only times I have brought up the Tebow situation was because I still thought it was a douchebag move by management the way they handled it. Like it or not, management handled it terribly with the lies and the whole throwing the guy under the bus. And while you can't change that, I will still call it as it was.......a complete mis-handling of a situation. Now I will say on you already putting this as an example of working out well even after one season is a little bit of a rush to judgement. Do we need to show the example of Brett Favre going to Minnesota. First year, it's all peaches until the terrible loss and the next, he did more harm to the team than good. And I will say I really don't treat this as karma, I will treat it as irony which it truly is. It's ironic after all that was said..........you ended the season at the same round you did last year. For this trade to ultimately work out for you, a Super Bowl win is a must. And that's only because of how overhyped the Broncos got by getting Manning. "You reap what you sow" is pretty much the exact definition of karma and is something you kept repeating over and over about the situation.
|
|
Toxik916
Hank Scorpio
Sacramento Proud
Posts: 6,207
|
Post by Toxik916 on Jan 13, 2013 6:43:36 GMT -5
Are we really having a discussion about a 3rd stringer on the Jets? The Broncos lost a heartbreaker today because Fox chose to go to overtime instead of trying to get into field goal range with 30 seconds left in regulation with 2 timeouts and Peyton f***ing Manning as his qb. That was a terrible coaching decision.
I really want revenge against Seattle at Candlestick, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Atlanta win tomorrow. If that happens I'll be glad to finally give Atlanta a beat down for the Garrison Hearst game in 98. To this day I hate Jamal Anderson and that stupid dirtybird dance.
|
|
Ben Wyatt
Crow T. Robot
Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
Posts: 41,582
|
Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 13, 2013 7:25:24 GMT -5
Agreed. But as i stated above, I also think Elway was a dick to the kid If you have the opportunity to get PEYTON MANNING over Tebow and you don't do everything you can to get it, you're an idiot. Plain and simple. That's the business for you. Timmy's not exactly a boy who got his widdle feelings hurt here. It's all business and the sports business can be pretty ruthless and cutthroat. Loyalty is overrated and can be damaging to a team long-term. I will never understand why Tim Tebow gets this many defenders. Not even the Jaguars want him. No, Im talking about *last season* as Tebow was doing his part to help Denver win games. Elway did everything short of actually pissing on the kid WHILE DENVER WAS WINNING GAMES. I have NO issue with Denver getting Manning. None at all. My beef has everything to do with last year
|
|
Ben Wyatt
Crow T. Robot
Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
Posts: 41,582
|
Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 13, 2013 7:42:35 GMT -5
Flacco is fine. Not every team can have the "elite" (which I hate the term but I'll roll with it) QB. There are only so many Brady/Mannings/Brees/Rodgers on the face of this Earth. Flacco is better than some (including me at times) give him credit for, but nowhere as good as *he* thinks he is
|
|
King Ghidorah
El Dandy
On Probation for Charges of two counts of Saxual Music.
How Absurd
Posts: 8,330
|
Post by King Ghidorah on Jan 13, 2013 8:04:35 GMT -5
Well, GB is out, thanks for wasting our Joe web experience. At least the team that beat us last time won the SB :/.
|
|
|
Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 13, 2013 8:51:24 GMT -5
1) No.....if the Broncos made the AFC Championship Game, all I would have said is that the Broncos were not as good as almost every "analyst" thought they were. You get farther in the playoffs and win a playoff game, I can't make any argument that you did better overall. 2) So choking in the playoffs is better than backing into the playoffs and having some sort of cinderella run. I guess I'll go back and ask myself if I thought in 2008 the President's Cup Champion San Jose Sharks who lost in the first round made me feel better than 1993 the San Jose Sharks who pulled an upset over the heavily favored Detroit Red Wings (who won the President's Cup that year). No I wont because I know the answer would be Hell No. I can't look at the big picture until the freaking season is over for everyone. There's no such thing as "President's Cup" in the National Hockey League. All right, President's Trophy. The thing that goes to the team with the best record for the regular season.
|
|