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Post by Steveweiser on Jan 16, 2013 14:28:36 GMT -5
No NFL team in L.A. for 2013 By Arash Markazi | ESPNLosAngeles.com
LOS ANGELES -- The NFL has not played a game in Los Angeles since 1994 and the league will not return to the second largest city and television market in the United States before 2014.
No NFL team will file for relocation to Los Angeles by the league mandated Feb. 15 deadline, multiple sources told ESPNLosAngeles.com, pushing any timeline for the league's return to the city back at least another year.
The news does not come as a complete surprise despite the fact that Los Angeles has two shovel-ready stadium proposals waiting for a prospective team.
Farmers Field, a proposed $1.5 billion downtown football stadium connected to an expanded Los Angeles Convention Center, is ready for construction but the Anschutz Entertainment Group, the company behind the project, is currently up for sale. The bidding process for the company is currently in the early stages and the sale of the company will not be completed by Feb. 15, according to multiple sources.
A competing stadium proposed by real estate magnate Ed Roski in the City of Industry has been ready to push dirt since 2009 with little traction.
Not only is it quiet on the stadium front in Los Angeles but the prospective teams that could move to Los Angeles look to be staying in their current cities for at least one more season as well.
San Diego mayor Bob Filner said Tuesday night that the San Diego Chargers will not opt out of their lease at Qualcomm Stadium in 2013 and will not file an application to move to Los Angeles this year. The announcement was later confirmed by Chargers special counsel Mark Fabiani.
That does not necessarily mean the Chargers will stay in San Diego after the 2013 season. The team is no closer to getting a new stadium in San Diego today than they were when they began searching for alternatives to Qualcomm Stadium over a decade ago. Each year through 2020, the Chargers can announce their intention to leave San Diego on condition they pay off bonds that were sold to expand Qualcomm Stadium in 1997.
The St. Louis Rams, which left Los Angeles for St. Louis after the 1994 season, are currently in arbitration with the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission over plans to renovate the Edward Jones Dome and make it a "first tier" NFL stadium.
The lease agreement between the Rams and CVC requires the dome to be among the top quarter of all NFL stadiums by 2015 or the Rams can break the lease. The dome is currently one of the older stadiums in the league. The CVC has proposed $124 million in renovations, while a plan from the Rams would cost at least $700 million, according to CVC estimates.
Rams owner Stan Kroenke made a failed bid to buy the Los Angeles Dodgers last year and has a home in Malibu, Calif. Kroenke, who also owns the Denver Nuggets, was seen speaking with minority Los Angeles Lakers owner Patrick Soon-Shiong during the Lakers-Nuggets game on Jan. 6. Soon-Shiong, who is the richest man in Los Angeles, according to Forbes and the Los Angeles Business Journal, with a net worth of over $7 billion, is currently bidding to own AEG.
AEG president and CEO Tim Leiweke has said plans for Farmers Field and bringing the NFL back to Los Angeles would continue with the new owner of AEG and expected the process to potentially drag into 2014 when ESPNLosAngeles.com spoke to him last year. Leiweke, however, is hopeful that a deal can be reached to bring the NFL back to Los Angeles by 2014 or 2015.
"February 2013 is going to be a moment in time for this city and then February 2014 is going to be another moment," Leiweke said last year. "What I'm going to tell you is we won't be sitting here in February 2016 still chasing Farmers Field."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 15:02:55 GMT -5
If the Texans were the better team, wouldn't they be the ones with a bye instead of the Pats?
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Post by BRV on Jan 16, 2013 15:13:41 GMT -5
How do you distribute blame pie to Seattle and Denver for their playoff losses? Here's mine: Denver 40 percent John Fox 30 percent Rahim Moore 25 percent Peyton Manning 5 percent refs 50 percent: Peyton Manning - He choked. That's what he does fairly routinely in big-game situations. Why people are so averse to discussing this is beyond me. When he had the ball near the 50, needing probably 20 yards to get within Matt Prater's range, he uncorks a hideous across-his-body throw into traffic. If we're going to rake Brett Favre over the coals for his interception in the 2009 NFC Championship, then we damn sure better give Manning the same amount of grief for an equally atrocious throw in an inopportune time. 30 percent: Rahim Moore - Holy crap. Has he ever seen anyone play safety before? 20 percent: John Fox - For the reasons I've stated in the past, I thought he got way too conservative at the end of the second and fourth quarters. If Atlanta's win on Sunday should prove anything its that if you have the ball, a few timeouts, about 40 seconds to play and a good enough offense, you go for it. If you play not to lose, you'll lose.
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Post by Orange on Jan 16, 2013 15:15:57 GMT -5
Moore's improved vastly during his time here - he's still got some time to go, but the dude's 22 years old. He's not the first safety to make a mistake - and had the team played like they were supposed to, that touchdown wouldn't have meant anything.
He's got potential - and if this loss sticks with him like it ought to, he'll be a special player.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 16, 2013 15:30:18 GMT -5
If the Texans were the better team, wouldn't they be the ones with a bye instead of the Pats? You'd think so. You'd also think being outscored in 2 games by a combined 41 points might make anyone on that team, let alone a defensive player keep his mouth shut
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 16, 2013 15:33:06 GMT -5
50 percent: Peyton Manning - He choked. That's what he does fairly routinely in big-game situations. Why people are so averse to discussing this is beyond me. When he had the ball near the 50, needing probably 20 yards to get within Matt Prater's range, he uncorks a hideous across-his-body throw into traffic. If we're going to rake Brett Favre over the coals for his interception in the 2009 NFC Championship, then we damn sure better give Manning the same amount of grief for an equally atrocious throw in an inopportune time. His lapdogs at the "Worldwide leader" and CBS can't bring themselves to say bad things about the guy.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jan 16, 2013 15:34:18 GMT -5
50 percent: Peyton Manning - He choked. That's what he does fairly routinely in big-game situations. Why people are so averse to discussing this is beyond me. When he had the ball near the 50, needing probably 20 yards to get within Matt Prater's range, he uncorks a hideous across-his-body throw into traffic. If we're going to rake Brett Favre over the coals for his interception in the 2009 NFC Championship, then we damn sure better give Manning the same amount of grief for an equally atrocious throw in an inopportune time. His lapdogs at the "Worldwide leader" and CBS can't bring themselves to say bad things about the guy. Honestly, ESPN makes more excuses for Tony Romo when he chokes. At least Peyton has more than 1 playoff win. We talk about QB chokers- Romo is just as egregious at that as Manning, with less accolades.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 16, 2013 15:38:19 GMT -5
His lapdogs at the "Worldwide leader" and CBS can't bring themselves to say bad things about the guy. Honestly, ESPN makes more excuses for Tony Romo when he chokes. At least Peyton has more than 1 playoff win. We talk about QB chokers- Romo is just as egregious at that as Manning, with less accolades. In all fairness to Romo, Manning has had more/better talent around him throughout his career. And as hyped as Romo is, he's not treated nearly like the football messiah that Manning is. God, I just defended Romo..... I feel ill
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Post by MGH on Jan 16, 2013 15:38:35 GMT -5
Manning did NOT play a great game, but I can't blame him for this loss first. Little as he may have done, he did enough for them to win. The game was over. :30 to go and Flacco has to go 70+ yards.
As an aside, am I the only one baffled by continuing to hear what a great throw Flacco made to tie the game? No, he really didn't. He threw up a jump ball that hung in the air long enough for two Denver defenders to be closing, and one who was RIGHT THERE. That thing is picked off or batted down 99/100 times. The one time is when someone falls down and trips over their own feet, or has a stroke on the field. The one time happened. Peyton threw a horrible Favre-esque pass in OT, but there was absolutely NO reason he should have been in that position in the first place. The ridiculous play of that safety is why they lost. There is never an OT if he remembers he is a NFL safety.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 16, 2013 15:41:19 GMT -5
Manning did NOT play a great game, but I can't blame him for this loss first. Little as he may have done, he did enough for them to win. The game was over. :30 to go and Flacco has to go 70+ yards. As an aside, am I the only one baffled by continuing to hear what a great throw Flacco made to tie the game? No, he really didn't. He threw up a jump ball that hung in the air long enough for two Denver defenders to be closing, and one who was RIGHT THERE. That thing is picked off or batted down 99/100 times. The one time is when someone falls down and trips over their own feet, or has a stroke on the field. The one time happened. Peyton threw a horrible Favre-esque pass in OT, but there was absolutely NO reason he should have been in that position in the first place. The ridiculous play of that safety is why they lost. There is never an OT if he remembers he is a NFL safety. Flacco's entire style consists of him chucking it up and hoping someone goes and gets it or Pass interference is called. (not that I blame him for hedging his bets on PI, since they call it far too often
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Post by Sektor on Jan 16, 2013 15:41:50 GMT -5
Saying Peyton Manning choked is pretty ridiculous, honestly. He got flushed out of the pocket and the only other option was to take a sack. It was second down, he could've taken the sack and been okay, but the only reason he was in that position was because of the hyper-conservative gameplan. The Ravens could cheat confidently because they could see Fox was scared of losing.
So, bad decision? Absolutely. But implying that Peyton Manning is only a stat sheet quarterback (whatever the hell that is) that isn't reliable in the playoffs, because that's his (undeserved) media reputation? I can't agree with that.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 16, 2013 15:43:30 GMT -5
Saying Peyton Manning choked is pretty ridiculous, honestly. He got flushed out of the pocket and the only other option was to take a sack. It was second down, he could've taken the sack and been okay, but the only reason he was in that position was because of the hyper-conservative gameplan. The Ravens could cheat confidently because they could see Fox was scared of losing. So, bad decision? Absolutely. But implying that Peyton Manning is only a stat sheet quarterback (whatever the hell that is) that isn't reliable in the playoffs, because that's his (undeserved) media reputation? I can't agree with that. His career playoff record is 9-11. EIGHT times, EIGHT times, he's gone ass up in his first playoff game. That is the definition of a playoff choker
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Post by Sektor on Jan 16, 2013 15:49:10 GMT -5
Saying Peyton Manning choked is pretty ridiculous, honestly. He got flushed out of the pocket and the only other option was to take a sack. It was second down, he could've taken the sack and been okay, but the only reason he was in that position was because of the hyper-conservative gameplan. The Ravens could cheat confidently because they could see Fox was scared of losing. So, bad decision? Absolutely. But implying that Peyton Manning is only a stat sheet quarterback (whatever the hell that is) that isn't reliable in the playoffs, because that's his (undeserved) media reputation? I can't agree with that. His career playoff record is 9-11. EIGHT times, EIGHT times, he's gone ass up in his first playoff game. That is the definition of a playoff choker By that logic, Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback ever in the playoffs because he has more wins than anyone else. Wins are a pointless stat for individuals that you can twist whichever way you want. Quarterbacks don't play the other 23 positions. Judging a quarterback based on wins is about as useless as judging a pitcher by wins. It has no context and tells you nothing about them. And if you need an example: Mark Freaking Sanchez. And if you need two: Joe Freaking Flacco.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 16, 2013 15:54:14 GMT -5
By that logic, Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback ever in the playoffs because he has more wins than anyone else. Funny you say that, because he has most wins and I believe best winning percentage. Along with 3 rings and 5 SB appearances. The argument can be made. Anyway, wins arent the entire barometer, but for all of the praise and attention Manning gets, for him being annointed the greatest ever by many talking heads, having a sub par W/L record and the most career playoff losses is pretty damning
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jan 16, 2013 15:55:48 GMT -5
Drew Brees has playoff wins over Jeff Garcia, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Peyton, and Stafford.
He has playoff losses to Chad Pennington, Rex Grossman, Matt Hasselbeck, and Alex Smith
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 15:59:31 GMT -5
No NFL team in L.A. for 2013 By Arash Markazi | ESPNLosAngeles.com LOS ANGELES -- The NFL has not played a game in Los Angeles since 1994 and the league will not return to the second largest city and television market in the United States before 2014. No NFL team will file for relocation to Los Angeles by the league mandated Feb. 15 deadline, multiple sources told ESPNLosAngeles.com, pushing any timeline for the league's return to the city back at least another year. The news does not come as a complete surprise despite the fact that Los Angeles has two shovel-ready stadium proposals waiting for a prospective team. Farmers Field, a proposed $1.5 billion downtown football stadium connected to an expanded Los Angeles Convention Center, is ready for construction but the Anschutz Entertainment Group, the company behind the project, is currently up for sale. The bidding process for the company is currently in the early stages and the sale of the company will not be completed by Feb. 15, according to multiple sources. A competing stadium proposed by real estate magnate Ed Roski in the City of Industry has been ready to push dirt since 2009 with little traction. Not only is it quiet on the stadium front in Los Angeles but the prospective teams that could move to Los Angeles look to be staying in their current cities for at least one more season as well. San Diego mayor Bob Filner said Tuesday night that the San Diego Chargers will not opt out of their lease at Qualcomm Stadium in 2013 and will not file an application to move to Los Angeles this year. The announcement was later confirmed by Chargers special counsel Mark Fabiani. That does not necessarily mean the Chargers will stay in San Diego after the 2013 season. The team is no closer to getting a new stadium in San Diego today than they were when they began searching for alternatives to Qualcomm Stadium over a decade ago. Each year through 2020, the Chargers can announce their intention to leave San Diego on condition they pay off bonds that were sold to expand Qualcomm Stadium in 1997. The St. Louis Rams, which left Los Angeles for St. Louis after the 1994 season, are currently in arbitration with the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission over plans to renovate the Edward Jones Dome and make it a "first tier" NFL stadium. The lease agreement between the Rams and CVC requires the dome to be among the top quarter of all NFL stadiums by 2015 or the Rams can break the lease. The dome is currently one of the older stadiums in the league. The CVC has proposed $124 million in renovations, while a plan from the Rams would cost at least $700 million, according to CVC estimates. Rams owner Stan Kroenke made a failed bid to buy the Los Angeles Dodgers last year and has a home in Malibu, Calif. Kroenke, who also owns the Denver Nuggets, was seen speaking with minority Los Angeles Lakers owner Patrick Soon-Shiong during the Lakers-Nuggets game on Jan. 6. Soon-Shiong, who is the richest man in Los Angeles, according to Forbes and the Los Angeles Business Journal, with a net worth of over $7 billion, is currently bidding to own AEG. AEG president and CEO Tim Leiweke has said plans for Farmers Field and bringing the NFL back to Los Angeles would continue with the new owner of AEG and expected the process to potentially drag into 2014 when ESPNLosAngeles.com spoke to him last year. Leiweke, however, is hopeful that a deal can be reached to bring the NFL back to Los Angeles by 2014 or 2015. "February 2013 is going to be a moment in time for this city and then February 2014 is going to be another moment," Leiweke said last year. "What I'm going to tell you is we won't be sitting here in February 2016 still chasing Farmers Field." I've been following the whole NFL-in-Los-Angeles thing for quite a while now, and I gotta say San Diego would have to be crazy to turn down a potential move to Los Angeles. The media market of San Diego and Los Angeles already have plenty of overlap, so I would not be that much of a loss to San Diego fanbase-wise. Same with the Jacksonville Jaguars: Florida already has the Bucs, Dolphins, Seminoles, Gators, Hurricanes, and even the frickin' UCF Knights. The Jaguars would be much better off in Los Angeles than an oversaturated Florida market. For both the Jags and Chargers, this is a golden opportunity and they still insist on playing hardball with the stadium developers. It'd be unwise to take that option off the table, and they can't stall forever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 16:04:48 GMT -5
Drew Brees has playoff wins over Jeff Garcia, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Peyton, and Stafford. He has playoff losses to Chad Pennington, Rex Grossman, Matt Hasselbeck, and Alex Smith To explain his losses to these guys: - Pennington: Blame Kundiff and his miss game-winning FG - Grossman: The Bears defense was awesome that year - Hasselbeck and Smith: Blame his defense Some of these QBs that have been labeled "great" also lost to crappy to above-average QBs (ex: Mark Sanchez is 1-0 vs Tom Brady). In some cases, these QBs should pay dinner to their entire defensive unit.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jan 16, 2013 16:06:37 GMT -5
Drew Brees has playoff wins over Jeff Garcia, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Peyton, and Stafford. He has playoff losses to Chad Pennington, Rex Grossman, Matt Hasselbeck, and Alex Smith To explain his losses to these guys: - Pennington: Blame Kundiff and his miss game-winning FG That was Kaeding- Cundiff was with the Cowboys in '04.
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Post by Sektor on Jan 16, 2013 16:08:52 GMT -5
By that logic, Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback ever in the playoffs because he has more wins than anyone else. Funny you say that, because he has most wins and I believe best winning percentage. Along with 3 rings and 5 SB appearances. The argument can be made. Anyway, wins arent the entire barometer, but for all of the praise and attention Manning gets, for him being annointed the greatest ever by many talking heads, having a sub par W/L record and the most career playoff losses is pretty damning Again, Charles Haley won 5 Superbowls, but you wouldn't try to say that that makes him a better defensive lineman than Reggie White. Also, on Manning's playoff record. He lost to the eventual SuperBowl champs three times in a row('03 and '04 Pats, '05 Steelers because of a missed chip shot), had a 24-28 loss to the Chargers in '07, Chargers again in '08 (game went to overtime and Chargers won coin toss and scored), lost to the Saints in '09 31-17 (which included an endzone drop by Reggie Wayne and a surprise onside kick by the Saints), lost by one point the next year against the Jets, and of course didn't play in 2011. So, yeah. The fact that we're saying Tony Romo and Peyton Manning in the same sentence is pretty laughable.
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Post by BRV on Jan 16, 2013 16:10:02 GMT -5
His career playoff record is 9-11. EIGHT times, EIGHT times, he's gone ass up in his first playoff game. That is the definition of a playoff choker By that logic, Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback ever in the playoffs because he has more wins than anyone else. Well, no one's going to argue with you on that. Yes, and Peyton Manning has walked into the playoffs time and time again with the allegedly best team in the conference and time and time again, those teams have gone belly-up. Playoff wins are not indicative of a quarterback's ultimate success, although they are a large indicator. I'm fed up with the excuse-making for Manning. He never had the defense in Indy! But then he got the defense, but then he didn't have the weapons offensively! His defense let him down in Denver! How many chances does one guy get? You'd figure after over a decade of failed playoff appearances, we'd finally come to realize what he is. Can't we just call a spade a spade and realize that after eight one-and-done trips and a sub-.500 record after 20 playoff games, Peyton Manning is a choke artist? Again, Charles Haley won 5 Superbowls, but you wouldn't try to say that that makes him a better defensive lineman than Reggie White. And nobody's saying that Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer is Peyton Manning's equal. We just want people to start to realize that Manning pretty routinely wets himself when the heat is turned up. That 2003 AFC Championship Game was winnable, the Colts lost 24-14 because the Patriots offense stalled out on several drives and settled for field goals instead of touchdowns. Indy could've been in that game had Manning not thrown four interceptions. In the 2005 Divisional Round against Pittsburgh, realize that 46 yards isn't a chip shot. Manning could have driven them into better field goal range, but after the Colts crossed into Steelers' territory with :39 left, he went 1-for-3 for 8 yards. He could've set Mike Vanderjagt up in much better position but he went incomplete on back-to-back passes on 2nd and 2 and 3rd and 2. Again, Manning has 2nd and Goal from the Chargers 7 trailing by four with over 2:00 remaining. What does he do? Incomplete pass, incomplete pass, incomplete pass. Turnover. Don't explain away Manning's back-breaking, game-sealing pick-six that he threw into Tracy Porter's stomach. Onside kick or not, the Colts were driving to tie the game at 24 when Manning, again, gagged.
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