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Post by viking85 on Jan 15, 2013 9:48:27 GMT -5
i am surprised we didn't have a thread about this match yet, i thought it was the best match on raw in a long time much better than tlc last week.
it's too bad dolph didn't win.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 15, 2013 9:50:03 GMT -5
I thought it was amazing, would have been cool to see Ziggler win but the story of the match really put it in Cenas favor anyway. Plus, it's not like he won squeaky clean.
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Post by cahuette on Jan 15, 2013 9:53:14 GMT -5
It was a great match, especially when Ziggler won after that jumping DDT from the third rope, because he did, YES HE DID!
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 15, 2013 9:54:22 GMT -5
I thought it was a great match. Felt big time and both guys made it that way.
But of course, Cena won the match so now it's listed as a bad match by most.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 15, 2013 11:04:54 GMT -5
There was a point when Cena's kickouts actually added to the match but then it got stupid.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 15, 2013 11:15:06 GMT -5
it was a fun match that started off on the right note with Ziggler immediately bolting for the door as soon as the bell rang. and I thought the various ways Big E kept Cena from escaping were pretty inventive. as for the match itself, you had Cena on his A-game and Ziggler who seems to be incapable of having a bad match with anyone right now, so it was a really entertaining match. they even kept AJ going crazy on a low key so it advanced things without distracting from the match.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Jan 15, 2013 12:36:35 GMT -5
great match, wrong result
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 15, 2013 12:44:00 GMT -5
I thought it was amazing, would have been cool to see Ziggler win but the story of the match really put it in Cenas favor anyway. Plus, it's not like he won squeaky clean. He did win squeaky clean...
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jan 15, 2013 12:49:46 GMT -5
I thought it was amazing, would have been cool to see Ziggler win but the story of the match really put it in Cenas favor anyway. Plus, it's not like he won squeaky clean. He did win squeaky clean... No he didn't. There were distractions & interference from Langston.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 15, 2013 12:52:02 GMT -5
He did win squeaky clean... No he didn't. There were distractions & interference from Langston. Yes, on Ziggler's behalf. Big E's last interference didn't distract anyone really, and Cena would have just shrugged whatever they threw at him off just like he did everything else in that match.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 15, 2013 13:33:54 GMT -5
They've had several fantastic matches
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 15, 2013 13:38:12 GMT -5
I really enjoyed it.
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Post by The Portable Stove on Jan 15, 2013 13:41:20 GMT -5
The content of the matches between Cena and Ziggler are always good, but the issue is that after last week especially, how am I supposed to believe that Dolph Ziggler stands a snowball's chance in hell at beating Cena in any way if Cena ~heroically~ kicks out of every single move that Ziggler does?
I could watch them wrestle all day, but a lot of the drama gets taken out of the match when you realize that Cena's going to win and it won't even be close.
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Post by therageofeeyore on Jan 15, 2013 13:50:26 GMT -5
There was a point when Cena's kickouts actually added to the match but then it got stupid. This, times 5000 and add 4. Between this match and the last match they had where Ziggler, again, hit EVERY FREAKING MOVE HE HAS, and Cena still kicked out of EVERYTHING, just to end the match with a freaking AA out of nowhere, despite constant interference and antics from Big E and AJ. It's just plainly obvious to any casual viewer or diehard fan, Ziggler just ain't on the same level as Cena. None of his moves can beat him. Zigzag, sleeper, superkick, top rope jumping ddt, nothing. Hell, Ziggles can't even cheat to win. No point in those 2 ever fighting again. Last night, not last week, when the exact same thing happened, was the biggest "f*** This Company" moment I've had in a looooooooooong time. Whatever overness Ziggler gained from going over at TLC has been utterly and completely destroyed the last 2 weeks, and I really can't see why in the blue hell anyone would find another Ziggler/Cena match interesting after that. Diehard fans like us, sure we'll watch the next match and enjoy it, regardless of how it plays out, but for the average mark, you just watched Cena beat the crap out of Dolph and pin him 2 weeks in a row despite constant outside interference both weeks, so why bother seeing it again? Sorry for the rant, but I'm just at a loss for how utterly stupid the booking has been in this feud. I was going to make a thread this morning about it, but thought better of it. I know this isn't exactly appreciating, it was a great match, just like last week, but
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Post by The Portable Stove on Jan 15, 2013 13:54:47 GMT -5
It's backwards booking. Maybe it's old-fashioned, but if there's going to be a feud, it's okay for the heel to squeak by so the face can finally catch him.
At this point, we're watching to find out whether or not the heel can FINALLY get a win over the megaface.
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Post by therageofeeyore on Jan 15, 2013 14:07:19 GMT -5
It's backwards booking. Maybe it's old-fashioned, but if there's going to be a feud, it's okay for the heel to squeak by so the face can finally catch him. At this point, we're watching to find out whether or not the heel can FINALLY get a win over the megaface. Yea, I can totally see a random Ziggler fan (i dunno, some odd kid that likes the bad guys) tuning in every week just to see if Ziggler can finally beat Cena clean. Kinda sad, really.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 15, 2013 14:15:20 GMT -5
It's backwards booking. Maybe it's old-fashioned, but if there's going to be a feud, it's okay for the heel to squeak by so the face can finally catch him. At this point, we're watching to find out whether or not the heel can FINALLY get a win over the megaface. But he already has, on a PPV main event. That's why they're letting Cena get all the tv wins.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 15, 2013 14:21:27 GMT -5
It's backwards booking. Maybe it's old-fashioned, but if there's going to be a feud, it's okay for the heel to squeak by so the face can finally catch him. At this point, we're watching to find out whether or not the heel can FINALLY get a win over the megaface. But he already has, on a PPV main event. That's why they're letting Cena get all the tv wins. Any sort of rub Ziggler got from that PPV win has long since been negated by all the wins Cena's got over him.
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Post by corndog on Jan 15, 2013 14:25:40 GMT -5
It's backwards booking. Maybe it's old-fashioned, but if there's going to be a feud, it's okay for the heel to squeak by so the face can finally catch him. At this point, we're watching to find out whether or not the heel can FINALLY get a win over the megaface. Exactly, Cena losing this match wouldn't have hurt him at all and it would have made people want to see Cena beat him. Stuff like this is the reason people boo Cena and a good percentage of the crowd was behind Ziggler. The few times Cena has actually had to catch up to the heel(like the Nexus storyline), the crowd was behind him.
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 15, 2013 14:32:39 GMT -5
But he already has, on a PPV main event. That's why they're letting Cena get all the tv wins. Any sort of rub Ziggler got from that PPV win has long since been negated by all the wins Cena's got over him. Yup. Not to mention Cena laughed off the loss.
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