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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 1, 2013 18:57:53 GMT -5
Have him lose at Wrestlemania, then question himself and have him wonder whether he really can beat the Rock or not. Eventually he can shift his persona to be more heelish and aggressive and serious and finally refresh his stale character which has needed a change for years now.
Eventually he can beat Rock for the title at Summerslam maybe.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 1, 2013 19:00:23 GMT -5
He'd put on a pouty face to end the show, the next night come out joking and smiling like always, then beat Austin at Extreme Rules to make up the difference.
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Post by Xander Crews on Feb 1, 2013 19:08:48 GMT -5
I think everyone pretty much realizes there's a 99.999999999923883274983943294349208490832094% chance of
-Cena pins Rock clean at WM29 -Raw after WM29 Cena comes out, tells bad jokes, says he respects The Rock -Rock comes out says he respects Cena -Business as usual
But the E actually has the chance to do something pretty damn amazing here.
Cue the IWC wet dream "Cena Heel Turn", but not really.
Cena realize's there's no way he can beat Rock and goes nuts and just destroys The Rock (thus they have a way to write rock out of storylines until WM30 or Summerslam).
Raw after WM30 Cena comes out (you know he's getting seriously booed there whether he's a face or heel) and says he promised this would be his year and he means it. He doesn't care if the fans want to boo him (cue more boos), he's going to make today the start of something no one has ever seen before. He's going to start a streak that will beat Punk's reign as the longest champ of the modern era (more boos), at WM30 he's still going to be the champ and at WM30 he's going to do what no one else could do. Something HHH, HBK, Kane, Jake The Snake, Randy Orton, Edge, Batista, and Punk (assuming we get Punk Taker at 29) couldn't do, end the Streak.
Give Cena a little more edge, but not full blown drowning kittens, insult the local sports team heel. When he get's close to losing have him snap like he did when he was against and a member of The Nexus. Have Cena hurt people.
Hell have Cena go on a one year win streak. I'm serious. Have Cena not lose ONE match. Not a singles match, tag match, have him not lose a single damn one.
WM30. Cena as the Undefeated Champion vs Taker.
That's probably the last match the E could do that would make people have the sliver of doubt in their mind as to whether or not Taker will lose and the streak ends.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 19:14:32 GMT -5
Cena has to win though. And not not just because he needs his win back, but because Rock needs to lose the title sometime soon as he won't be around long after Mania. So at the latest he'd lose it would be at Extreme Rules, but it wouldn't make much sense to delay it for a lesser PPV. Honestly, these days it really wouldn't surprise me if WWE actually had Rock hold the title for a year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 19:15:27 GMT -5
I think everyone pretty much realizes there's a 99.999999999923883274983943294349208490832094% chance of -Cena pins Rock clean at WM29 -Raw after WM29 Cena comes out, tells bad jokes, says he respects The Rock -Rock comes out says he respects Cena -Business as usual But the E actually has the chance to do something pretty damn amazing here. Cue the IWC wet dream "Cena Heel Turn", but not really. Cena realize's there's no way he can beat Rock and goes nuts and just destroys The Rock (thus they have a way to write rock out of storylines until WM30 or Summerslam). Raw after WM30 Cena comes out (you know he's getting seriously booed there whether he's a face or heel) and says he promised this would be his year and he means it. He doesn't care if the fans want to boo him (cue more boos), he's going to make today the start of something no one has ever seen before. He's going to start a streak that will beat Punk's reign as the longest champ of the modern era (more boos), at WM30 he's still going to be the champ and at WM30 he's going to do what no one else could do. Something HHH, HBK, Kane, Jake The Snake, Randy Orton, Edge, Batista, and Punk (assuming we get Punk Taker at 29) couldn't do, end the Streak. Give Cena a little more edge, but not full blown drowning kittens, insult the local sports team heel. When he get's close to losing have him snap like he did when he was against and a member of The Nexus. Have Cena hurt people. Hell have Cena go on a one year win streak. I'm serious. Have Cena not lose ONE match. Not a singles match, tag match, have him not lose a single damn one. WM30. Cena as the Undefeated Champion vs Taker. That's probably the last match the E could do that would make people have the sliver of doubt in their mind as to whether or not Taker will lose and the streak ends. I like it, I mean, he's not an outright heel given he'd probably have to face a few heels for the year long victory run. I'd actually like to see a champion who only competes at PPVs, make Cena that guy if you want him to be a bit more zealously hated by certain fans. He can hype stuff, have brawls, and then win at PPVs. Get to WM30, have some upcoming star beat him decisively in a 25 minute match, bam. Feel good finale to an interesting Cena year.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 1, 2013 19:36:53 GMT -5
Who really cares what the NYC crowd thinks of the main event? Look, the building will likely sell out. WWE won't have trouble filling MSG or anything in future visits. The crowd has to go in knowing that Cena is likely going over, so they'd have to be pretty naive smarks to be THAT upset. The entire pretense of this match is that Cena is going over. It's the entire point of Rock getting the belt in the first place, since Cena can't beat Punk in storyline for whatever reason and he needs the win back from Rock. It'll be interesting to see how they sell the match then, since 90% of what will be the WM viewing audience won't want to see Cena win.
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Post by Snaptastic on Feb 1, 2013 19:37:06 GMT -5
I would like to point something out if it hasn't been already.
The argument that Cena can't lose twice to Rock doesn't hold with me. From what I can tell, Punk is getting a re-match against Rock at EC. Why does Punk have to lose twice to Rock but not Cena?
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Post by JDviant on Feb 1, 2013 19:41:29 GMT -5
If Cena loses, the same people that have been saying "Cena always wins" when he's lost 3 out of 4 of his last mania matches will still say "Cena always wins". There's a guy in our group right now that still tells me this.
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Post by Snaptastic on Feb 1, 2013 19:47:54 GMT -5
If Cena loses, the same people that have been saying "Cena always wins" when he's lost 3 out of 4 of his last mania matches will still say "Cena always wins". There's a guy in our group right now that still tells me this. Problem is, they always seem to put Cena up against guys nobody wants him to beat. I seem to remember a decent amount of support for Miz winning at 27. Clearly most people wanted a Rock win at 28, and the same applies at 29. Also Cena has only lost 2 of his last 4. He won the WHC at 25, beat Batista at 26. Then lost to Miz at 27 then Rock at 28.
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Post by JDviant on Feb 1, 2013 19:51:15 GMT -5
sorry, I always forget it was five years ago he lost in the triple threat to Orton. Still, the Cena always wins point doesn't stand with Cena going 2-2 over the past four years, 2-3 over the past half decade.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 1, 2013 19:53:55 GMT -5
I've humored this idea, too. That would be a great way to convincingly begin his heel turn. I don't expect them to ever pull the trigger - they're too fixated on t-shirt sales and instant gratification now - but if they were going to to lead up to his match with Taker at WM30, this would be the starting grounds.
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Post by Snaptastic on Feb 1, 2013 19:54:13 GMT -5
sorry, I always forget it was five years ago he lost in the triple threat to Orton. Still, the Cena always wins point doesn't stand with Cena going 2-2 over the past four years, 2-3 over the past half decade. Yeah your point still stands. Fun fact: The Rock vs John Cena is Cena's longest Mania match ever at 33:34. It's also Rock's longest singles match at a Wrestlemania event. The only match longer for Rock at a Mania was the 4-Way at Mania 16.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 20:18:35 GMT -5
I would like to point something out if it hasn't been already. The argument that Cena can't lose twice to Rock doesn't hold with me. From what I can tell, Punk is getting a re-match against Rock at EC. Why does Punk have to lose twice to Rock but not Cena? Because WWE doesn't give a damn about Punk. As far as they're concerned these days, Rock and Cena are the only two people who matter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 21:04:51 GMT -5
Who really cares what the NYC crowd thinks of the main event? Look, the building will likely sell out. WWE won't have trouble filling MSG or anything in future visits. The crowd has to go in knowing that Cena is likely going over, so they'd have to be pretty naive smarks to be THAT upset. The entire pretense of this match is that Cena is going over. It's the entire point of Rock getting the belt in the first place, since Cena can't beat Punk in storyline for whatever reason and he needs the win back from Rock. It'll be interesting to see how they sell the match then, since 90% of what will be the WM viewing audience won't want to see Cena win. They'll build it in a similar way to Rock-Hogan. "Icon vs. Icon", "the rematch of the century", "the biggest WWE title match of all time", or some other hyperbolic way. Just like there were people who flat out didn't want to see Hogan lose and still booed Rock after the match and the next night even after Hogan endorsed him there will be Rock fans today who will never happily accept him losing to Cena. He surely has to at some point though. I mean, Rock in his prime lost a decent amount and didn't have to win all the time. And Cena himself before the Rumble hadn't won in a half year of PPV's. Neither of these guys NEED to win but I just don't see how it can end without Cena coming out on top just like Rock did over Hogan. I wouldn't be that against Rock winning again then Cena winning a third match but as a fan of both guys I'd rather they just end it this year with Cena getting his win and let them both move on. I'm a Rock fan and I've already seen him beat Cena. Now I'm a Cena fan and I want to see him beat Rock. The casual Rock fans aren't sticking around for Over the Limit and No Way Out win, lose or draw. We know that. They'll be gone after 'Mania and they'll be back when Rocky is back. Cena is the guy who's going to have to carry these B shows again when the chips are down and Rock/Brock/Undertaker/HHH are gone. They already chose to placate the one night 'Mania/attitude era returnees last year at the expense of his fans. Doing it again would be insanity. If they booked like that all the time no one under the age of 40 would ever win a Wrestlemania main event again because fans will always want Rock or Undertaker or Austin if he comes back to win and in 10 years Cena/Punk/Orton could be the guys coming back and being cheered over whoever's on top at that time. There are some exceptions (Rock going over Cena last year was the right call since it wasn't obviously a one-off match) but in general the present should always come out on top over the past, even if there is some resistance to it from the old guard and their fans. Rock had to come out on top over Hogan. Cena has to come out on top over Rock. In 10 years whoever's carrying the company has to come out on top over Cena if he's in a special attraction role. Fun fact: The Rock vs John Cena is Cena's longest Mania match ever at 33:34. It's also Rock's longest singles match at a Wrestlemania event. The only match longer for Rock at a Mania was the 4-Way at Mania 16. This year will also be the 5th Wrestlemania main event for both. Something I've wondered, if Cena/Undertaker and Rock/Brock happen next year, what would main event the show? I can see a case being made for both. I'd think if it was Undertaker's final match that would probably go on last. I can't imagine them having a big farewell for Undertaker leaving all the fans teary eyed then the announcers just moving on to a video package for something else and expecting fans to react to any matches afterwards as strongly as they normally would. Either way, I'm hoping beyond hope that those two matches do happen next year.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 1, 2013 22:11:12 GMT -5
Next year could be really huge with Punk-Austin, Cena-Taker, Rock-Brock.
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Post by bob on Feb 1, 2013 22:14:45 GMT -5
Logic says he should get his win back from the Rock, true, but I don't think the E is finished with the Worst Year of Cena's Career. After all, wrestling tradition tells us that the more you guarantee an outcome on-screen, the less likely it is. he might finally snap and turn heel
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Post by lildude8218 on Feb 1, 2013 22:53:02 GMT -5
then it's revealed that The Rock is secretly a Briscoe Brother
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Post by mjolnir on Feb 1, 2013 23:08:52 GMT -5
I've thought about this too, have Rock win and have him do his part time shtick till Summerslam, where he drops the title to somebody, maybe even to Cena. If Cena, still being able to hold that over him that he never beat him at a Wrestlemania, while Cena still gets his W and the title eventually. Albeit I'd prefer a different option, someone that could actually benefit from beating The Rock, like Ryback or Dolph.
I personally would hate the title being on him for that long, as I don't even like it being on him now, but it definitely would throw people for a loop.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Feb 1, 2013 23:39:59 GMT -5
Here's the thing.
To me, a heel turn makes more sense if Cena WINS.
Here's why, have Cena throw everything he can at Rock, but Rock just won't stay down, THEN you have him snap and cheat to win.
For me it just makes more sense if he turns heel by winning dirty than by snapping after a second loss.
Then instead of a rubber match at Mania 30, do it at Summerslam then you can do a heel Cena VS. Undertaker at Mania as Taker's final match.
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Post by saintpat on Feb 2, 2013 0:32:56 GMT -5
Why is it a big deal that Cena, as a face, gets booed by a percentage (but never the majority) of the crowd, but not that those smarky fans cheer heels like Punk or Orton or Edge or Jericho, etc.? Aren't they just as much 'failures' for not getting the proper reaction from the crowd?
So some people in New York will boo if Cena beats Rock. Some people in New York would boo if Brock beat Trent Barretta. Should all matches in smarky towns end in double countouts? Nah, they'd boo that too.
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