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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Feb 2, 2013 11:12:31 GMT -5
I'm convinced he will win. It will be in the main event of Wrestlemania, which has become the smark commune, in the New York Metropolitan area, one of the marquee cities of smarkdom. This will be Vince McMahon's final big f*** you to the internet, the smarks, and everyone who doesn't lap up everything he puts out. I feel you. There are many different ways I wish this could play out but I have very little faith.
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Post by Snaptastic on Feb 2, 2013 11:37:17 GMT -5
People seem to forget that just because Cena gets booed a lot doesn't mean he gets no cheers. More people like John Cena than any other guy on the roster right now no matter how many people hate him. EX 2 million people hate John Cena while 10 million like him. That's still 10 million no matter what the hatred number is. No, more people REACT to John Cena. There's a distinction. He's the most "over" guy they have. That said, his fanbase hardly buys the PPVs he's featured on. That's where the hardcores voices are louder. Of the five million that watch WWE, only 225,000 on average --worldwide-- PAY for the product. And an argument could be made that at least half of that 225,000 hates Cena. And the extra 800,000 lapsed, returning and casual fans are coming for the name and for the Rock at WrestleMania. Cena's the most popular guy in a very shallow pond on his own. Hell, he doesn't really draw on PPV, unless presented in a heel role. You've said something I have consistently refrained from saying. That is that even though Cena is the "number one" draw in WWE full time. He doesn't actually draw much at all in real terms. Sure he does bring in a few people, but the number wouldn't change if Cena retired tomorrow and Punk was the number one guy. It's sad that the only guy who they can go to for a pop in the buyrate, is a part-timer and their current champion. It's probably just me, but I do wonder if it will slightly kill Rock's drawing ability if you have Cena beat him at Mania in the main event. Sort of "why would I bother to watch since they jobbed him out to Cena for the belt?".
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 2, 2013 11:39:51 GMT -5
Slightly off topic, but I do feel people need to stop saying things like "Wrestler A has lost x of his past y Wrestlemania matches" as a reason for people to no longer be tired of whomever that wrestler might be. For awhile people used it to argue that Trips was doing the right thing, and now it's an argument being used for Cena in some places.
I don't think people are arguing match outcomes, so much as the story telling that leads into, and then out from, those matches. Cena could lose five PPV matches in a row, but if he comes out every Monday night and cuts the same "I will never back down" promo and doesn't shift at all as a character, then those losses won't register with anybody.
That's the great irony here: I feel WWE sometimes has Cena lose as a way to "throw a bone" to the fans who dislike his character, yet they have his character engage in promos/matches/angles in between those losses that just reinforce why those fans dislike him.
Meanwhile, if they had Cena win almost all the time but made him a more dynamic character (not saying heel, just less static), those same fans who are against him now might come around to liking him.
It's a case of missing the forest for the trees. It's not Cena winning that's the problem, so simply having him lose doesn't solve that problem. Instead, the issue is that he's been the same character almost every week for eight years regardless of anything that happens to him.
Hulk Hogan could get away with that since he wasn't heavily featured on free TV every week. John Cena doesn't have that luxury.
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Post by Snaptastic on Feb 2, 2013 11:43:33 GMT -5
Slightly off topic, but I do feel people need to stop saying things like "Wrestler A has lost x of his past y Wrestlemania matches" as a reason for people to no longer be tired of whomever that wrestler might be. For awhile people used it to argue that Trips was doing the right thing, and now it's an argument being used for Cena in some places. I don't think people are arguing match outcomes, so much as the story telling that leads into, and then out from, those matches. Cena could lose five PPV matches in a row, but if he comes out every Monday night and cuts the same "I will never back down" promo and doesn't shift at all as a character, then those losses won't register with anybody. That's the great irony here: I feel WWE sometimes has Cena lose as a way to "throw a bone" to the fans who dislike his character, yet they have his character engage in promos/matches/angles in between those losses that just reinforce why those fans dislike him. Meanwhile, if they had Cena win almost all the time but made him a more dynamic character (not saying heel, just less static), those same fans who are against him now might come around to liking him. It's a case of missing the forest for the trees. It's not Cena winning that's the problem, so simply having him lose doesn't solve that problem. Instead, the issue is that he's been the same character almost every week for eight years regardless of anything that happens to him.Hulk Hogan could get away with that since he wasn't heavily featured on free TV every week. John Cena doesn't have that luxury. This 100%. Surely Cena must be tired of playing the same guy week-in, week-out? I know there were stories of him trying to change his character but they put the brakes on him. Well I don't know about him, but if I was in his position I would start making noises about "not wanting to do this any more" if that was the case.
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Post by gnr123 on Feb 2, 2013 12:50:04 GMT -5
John Cena has to beat The Rock at WrestleMania. If he loses again, than WWE basically have no clue what their doing with him. You cannot book your top face to lose 3 WrestleMania matches in a row. I understand Cena losing to Rock the first time (even thought I wasn't a fan of it). It was because they were doing a rematch and they didn't want Rock to look "weak" going into it against Cena this year. But eventually The Rock will have to lose, and the only person who has the star power to beat him is John Cena.
Sure, the NY/NJ crowd will boo him. But when has that stopped WWE from booking Cena strong? When has that stopped WWE from booking Cena to go over? He got booed at WM 22, WM 23, and Unfiorgiven 2006. He won all of those matches. For some reason over the last year or so, WWE has been booking towards the smarks. Cena lost to Rock, Tensai, Laurantitis, was pinned by Punk, and lost to Dolph Ziggler. That's 5 loses in one year. I don't think Austin or Hogan ever had 5 loses in one year. Someone is WWE seems to care about the smarks when the don't do anything for the WWE except bitch when things don't go their way. WWE should never book to the smarks/IWC because they will bitch when things DO go their way sometimes.
And as regards to a heel turn, that's not happening for a long time. John Cena still get's big pops.stills sells s***-loads of merchandise, he still get's mixed reactions. If WWE turned him heel, and the audience flipped in regards to the reactions he get's (kids boo him/older fans cheer him) than it'll be a huge loss. It'll be like the Austin heel turn, when Austin was still a fan favorite but they turned him anyway. Sure, Cena's not a "fan favorite" but he still has a large fanbase who ill boo him if he turned heel. Than the older fans will cheer and embrace his new character, were back to square one.
And the Hogan heel turn shouldn't be comparable to a Cena heel turn. Why? Because when Hogan was in WCW, he was in another world. The world of Sting, Ric Flair, the Four Horseman, Dusty Rhodes. WCW was more old school as compared to the over the top WWE. The world in WWE as built for and around Hogan, WCW wasn't. That's why his WWE character wasn't fully embraced by the WCW audience, because the world of WCW weren't used to the larger than life character Hulk Hogan. So they turned him heel.
The thing is, if he does turn heel, he will be a dominate heel. I'm sorry, he's not going to be feuding with Kofi Kingston, or Zack Ryder. If he turns heel, he going to want the WWE Championship again. If he wins that said WWE Championship, people will bitch, even if he's a heel. There is no way John Cena turns heel without him winning the WWE Championship shortly after. Hogan did it when he turned heel, Austin won the Championship the night he turned heel. It's a very good way to establish a new dominate heel, give them the gold.
So now John Cena is a heel, dominate as ever, and WWE Champion. It would be the same as if John Cena was a face.
John Cena should win at Wrestlemankia 29 and the WWE shouldn't give two s***s about the crowd reaction. They never did before, why start now?
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Post by Snaptastic on Feb 2, 2013 13:09:38 GMT -5
Cena doesn't draw in real terms, so I would argue the star power comment.
By that I mean the buyrate wouldn't change much if he was there or not.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Feb 2, 2013 15:39:28 GMT -5
Here's the thing. To me, a heel turn makes more sense if Cena WINS. Here's why, have Cena throw everything he can at Rock, but Rock just won't stay down, THEN you have him snap and cheat to win. For me it just makes more sense if he turns heel by winning dirty than by snapping after a second loss. Then instead of a rubber match at Mania 30, do it at Summerslam then you can do a heel Cena VS. Undertaker at Mania as Taker's final match. This is more or less my ideal scenario, and actually what I would have booked at last year's Mania.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 2, 2013 15:47:41 GMT -5
The thing is, if he does turn heel, he will be a dominate heel. I'm sorry, he's not going to be feuding with Kofi Kingston, or Zack Ryder. If he turns heel, he going to want the WWE Championship again. If he wins that said WWE Championship, people will bitch, even if he's a heel. There is no way John Cena turns heel without him winning the WWE Championship shortly after. Hogan did it when he turned heel, Austin won the Championship the night he turned heel. It's a very good way to establish a new dominate heel, give them the gold. So now John Cena is a heel, dominate as ever, and WWE Champion. It would be the same as if John Cena was a face. John Cena should win at Wrestlemankia 29 and the WWE shouldn't give two s***s about the crowd reaction. They never did before, why start now? This. A face Cena can keep everything about his character, but be slowly weaned out of the spotlight. A heel Cena would just continue to be the center of the universe, and that's the true problem with John Cena. Not his character, not his corny poopy jokes, not that he "can't wrestle". The problem is that he's treated as the be and end all of the WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2013 16:17:25 GMT -5
Cena doesn't draw in real terms, so I would argue the star power comment. By that I mean the buyrate wouldn't change much if he was there or not. What does "real terms" even mean? Would Wrestlemania 28 have been the biggest PPV of all time if it was Rock vs. CM Punk or Miz and not Cena? What about all the other big 'Mania and non-Mania numbers Cena has done over the years when Rock wasn't around? Cena has only had two extended breaks from television in 8 years (October 2007-January 2008 and August-November 2008) and both times ratings dropped noticeably when he left and picked back up when he returned. If he left tomorrow would the next top babyface automatically be the merchandise machine he is? And he's such a draw for live attendance that they're thinking of scrapping Raw and Smackdown specific house shows and having one touring crew separate from the champions headlined by Cena because his name alone is all that's needed to get a decent crowd. Could you do that with anyone else? He's the biggest full-time draw in every area and there is no way CM Punk could match him in all areas if he left tomorrow like you said. That is absurd. Does "real terms" mean not being as big as Rock? Well only two people ever have been bigger than The Rock. Are you seriously suggesting that unless Stone Cold Steve Austin or Hulk Hogan (and I would argue Rock is bigger than both of them in 2013 anyway) come out of retirement then Rock should never lose another match? Jesus, I love The Rock but the argument people are trying to make that he can't lose to anyone below him is ridiculous. Even if he was a full time star he'd still have to lose sometimes (and he did when he was). By these standards, when Wrestlemania is over and Rock is gone (and he'd obviously have to vacate the title because no one is big enough to actually beat him for it of course) should Cena hold the title for the whole year and never lose it to anyone else on the roster who is below him then only lose again once Rock comes back next January or so? Then because Rock will still be the number one draw at that time I guess he should win at Wrestlemania 30 too regardless of who he faces? Where does it end? You just end every Wrestlemania from now on with Rock/Taker/HHH winning? Then in 5 years when they're too old to go anymore you use the 40 year old part time Cena/Punk/Orton's to come in and beat the current guys of the time because they're more popular?
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 2, 2013 16:51:10 GMT -5
If WWE turned him heel, and the audience flipped in regards to the reactions he get's (kids boo him/older fans cheer him) than it'll be a huge loss. I see this predicted by Cena fans, but the people I know who boo Cena would continue to boo Cena, no matter what he does. They want him to go away.
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Post by BigWill on Feb 2, 2013 16:53:06 GMT -5
If WWE turned him heel, and the audience flipped in regards to the reactions he get's (kids boo him/older fans cheer him) than it'll be a huge loss. I see this predicted by Cena fans, but the people I know who boo Cena would continue to boo Cena, no matter what he does. They want him to go away. That's what I see. It just seems that a few Cena fans can't seem to comprehend that there are a lot people out there that genuinely do no like him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2013 17:01:05 GMT -5
If you think Cena gets heat from smarks simply because he's a face, you're being one track minded. It's because he tells cheesy jokes, has that trollface grin, and is Hogan like in his domination of the roster
(of course, by all accounts he's way too laid back to actually be as cruel and gloryhogging as Hogan)
And that's exactly why there'd be no need to tweak his gimmick if he DID turn heel.
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Post by BigWill on Feb 2, 2013 17:13:09 GMT -5
If you think Cena gets heat from smarks simply because he's a face, you're being one track minded. It's because he tells cheesy jokes, has that trollface grin, and is Hogan like in his domination of the roster (of course, by all accounts he's way too laid back to actually be as cruel and gloryhogging as Hogan) And that's exactly why there'd be no need to tweak his gimmick if he DID turn heel. And the kids would have no reasons to boo him, and the adults (it's not just smarks) would still despise him for the wrong reasons. Nothing would be fixed. You'd still have the top star of the company getting mixed reactions, and people still hating him and the WWE for sticking with the same tired character that needed change years ago.
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Post by Snaptastic on Feb 2, 2013 18:08:40 GMT -5
Cena doesn't draw in real terms, so I would argue the star power comment. By that I mean the buyrate wouldn't change much if he was there or not. What does "real terms" even mean? Would Wrestlemania 28 have been the biggest PPV of all time if it was Rock vs. CM Punk or Miz and not Cena? What about all the other big 'Mania and non-Mania numbers Cena has done over the years when Rock wasn't around? Cena has only had two extended breaks from television in 8 years (October 2007-January 2008 and August-November 2008) and both times ratings dropped noticeably when he left and picked back up when he returned. If he left tomorrow would the next top babyface automatically be the merchandise machine he is? And he's such a draw for live attendance that they're thinking of scrapping Raw and Smackdown specific house shows and having one touring crew separate from the champions headlined by Cena because his name alone is all that's needed to get a decent crowd. Could you do that with anyone else? He's the biggest full-time draw in every area and there is no way CM Punk could match him in all areas if he left tomorrow like you said. That is absurd. Does "real terms" mean not being as big as Rock? Well only two people ever have been bigger than The Rock. Are you seriously suggesting that unless Stone Cold Steve Austin or Hulk Hogan (and I would argue Rock is bigger than both of them in 2013 anyway) come out of retirement then Rock should never lose another match? Jesus, I love The Rock but the argument people are trying to make that he can't lose to anyone below him is ridiculous. Even if he was a full time star he'd still have to lose sometimes (and he did when he was). By these standards, when Wrestlemania is over and Rock is gone (and he'd obviously have to vacate the title because no one is big enough to actually beat him for it of course) should Cena hold the title for the whole year and never lose it to anyone else on the roster who is below him then only lose again once Rock comes back next January or so? Then because Rock will still be the number one draw at that time I guess he should win at Wrestlemania 30 too regardless of who he faces? Where does it end? You just end every Wrestlemania from now on with Rock/Taker/HHH winning? Then in 5 years when they're too old to go anymore you use the 40 year old part time Cena/Punk/Orton's to come in and beat the current guys of the time because they're more popular? Merch wise he's been surpassed by Punk & even Ryder for a time. Also the merging of house shows is more to do with nobody wants to go see the "B" show. Whilst I'm not denying Cena's drawing power at one point, but it is of my opinion that it has fizzled out. Cena/Rock was a match that many had been waiting a long time for. Also to further argue the point that it may not have popped with Rock vs anyone...let me point your attention to the year prior. Wrestlemania 27, Cena vs Miz...Rock guest host. Still did over 1,000,000. Sure the million mark was attainable without Rock if the card was stacked, but we can all agree that 27 most certainly wasn't a stacked card. For it to pull 1,000,000+ is thanks to the guest host and no more. Unless you'd like to argue that a Cena vs Miz main event is a ratings draw of course, but that would be foolish. My original comment was mainly aimed at you can't make your top face lose at 3 Manias in a row. I should have said it wouldn't matter as much as it may have 3/4 years ago if he was featured prominently at this stage. Since he could only pull 200K vs Lesnar at ER last year...I think it speaks volumes. It was at that point that I'd started to realise Cena wasn't the drawing machine he is made out to be. Also I never tried to argue that Rock shouldn't job out to be people "below" him. I think it would be better from a fan perspective because I don't want Cena to win the title again (even if he hasn't held it since Summerslam 2011), especially not from Rock. I'm perfectly okay otherwise with Cena winning, and I've accepted that there is a 90% chance he will win. I just don't believe in getting a win back is the most important thing in the world. Okay, normally I'm okay with it but in the main event at Wrestlemania for the title no less? Sure give it him back, but in a typical singles back at SummerSlam or something. Because I'm of the opinion now that to even things up, Cena has to drop the strap to Rock in a triple threat where Rock pins the other guy. Who's the most likely candidate for that other spot? CM Punk who Rock will have beaten twice by that point. I just think you're hurting more people in the long run by giving Cena "his win back". Plus if they're going to end a Mania on that, then they're brave. A Cena win hasn't closed out a Mania since 23 when he retained against HBK. I just value fan satisfaction at the end of the day. Also as pointed out, there is a growing minority out there who don't just dislike Cena...they want him gone, and a long way from WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2013 19:40:39 GMT -5
Merch wise he's been surpassed by Punk & even Ryder for a time. Also the merging of house shows is more to do with nobody wants to go see the "B" show. Whilst I'm not denying Cena's drawing power at one point, but it is of my opinion that it has fizzled out. Cena/Rock was a match that many had been waiting a long time for. Also to further argue the point that it may not have popped with Rock vs anyone...let me point your attention to the year prior. Wrestlemania 27, Cena vs Miz...Rock guest host. Still did over 1,000,000. Sure the million mark was attainable without Rock if the card was stacked, but we can all agree that 27 most certainly wasn't a stacked card. For it to pull 1,000,000+ is thanks to the guest host and no more. Unless you'd like to argue that a Cena vs Miz main event is a ratings draw of course, but that would be foolish. My original comment was mainly aimed at you can't make your top face lose at 3 Manias in a row. I should have said it wouldn't matter as much as it may have 3/4 years ago if he was featured prominently at this stage. Since he could only pull 200K vs Lesnar at ER last year...I think it speaks volumes. It was at that point that I'd started to realise Cena wasn't the drawing machine he is made out to be. Outsold him for a few weeks? I'm sure DX, Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy and others have done that in random bursts at points over the years. What makes Cena number one is he does it week after week, months after month, year after year and has done since 2004. Whether someone's drawing power is fizzling out or not isn't an opinion though. There are facts available to prove that he's still the number one ratings, PPV, merchandise and live attendance draw on the (full time) roster. It's not even that he dominates one or two. He's on top of them all. And these facts are gathered over a period of time to prove consistency, not based on one-off occurrences. I mean I could show you ratings "proof" from last week that people were more interested in a divas match than they were for The Rock and CM Punk's build to the Royal Rumble. Does that mean Rock has lost his touch? Watch the final Raw before Wrestlemania 27 and tell me the number one selling point of that show wasn’t Rock/Cena interaction even though they weren't booked in a match together. To suggest Cena had no part in that number is ridiculous. And that Cena/Miz ratings comment wouldn't be all that foolish actually since prior to Rock even returning Miz and Cena alone literally WERE doing better numbers than Punk and Rock are now. Also, I'm not sure where you're getting that 200k ER number from but the actual figure was 263k which was a huge success and the biggest non big 4 show in years. My original comment was mainly aimed at you can't make your top face lose at 3 Manias in a row. I should have said it wouldn't matter as much as it may have 3/4 years ago if he was featured prominently at this stage. Since he could only pull 200K vs Lesnar at ER last year...I think it speaks volumes. It was at that point that I'd started to realise Cena wasn't the drawing machine he is made out to be. Also I never tried to argue that Rock shouldn't job out to be people "below" him. I think it would be better from a fan perspective because I don't want Cena to win the title again (even if he hasn't held it since Summerslam 2011), especially not from Rock. I'm perfectly okay otherwise with Cena winning, and I've accepted that there is a 90% chance he will win. I just don't believe in getting a win back is the most important thing in the world. Okay, normally I'm okay with it but in the main event at Wrestlemania for the title no less? Sure give it him back, but in a typical singles back at SummerSlam or something. Because I'm of the opinion now that to even things up, Cena has to drop the strap to Rock in a triple threat where Rock pins the other guy. Who's the most likely candidate for that other spot? CM Punk who Rock will have beaten twice by that point. I just think you're hurting more people in the long run by giving Cena "his win back". Plus if they're going to end a Mania on that, then they're brave. A Cena win hasn't closed out a Mania since 23 when he retained against HBK. I just value fan satisfaction at the end of the day. Also as pointed out, there is a growing minority out there who don't just dislike Cena...they want him gone, and a long way from WWE. I want CM Punk and Randy Orton gone. Never mind the fact that they're probably the second and third biggest full time stars they have. I just don't like them and never will. And there's more evidence to suggest their departure from WWE would have far less of a negative impact on business than Cena's. So should I get my way if I keep whining about it enough? Seriously, you're painting anti-Cena fans like little girls who'll throw a hissy fit if he ever wins a match again. Stereotypically, shouldn't Cena be the one more likely to have younger, immature fans of that ilk who'd take things that seriously? Aren't the past 2 years when he came out on top enough evidence to show that even if Rock wins his casual fans will disappear with him the next day anyway and return when he returns? The fans you're pissing off by repeating the same result as last year are the Cena fans again and since he's by far the most popular guy who'll still be around post 'Mania you're essentially pissing off the fans who would be most likely to realistically buy the Extreme Rules' and the Over the Limit's. Rock could lose to Drew McIntyre and when he comes back 9 months later he'll still draw like The Rock. I'm not even saying Cena HAS to win at Wrestlemania (although I think it would be idiotic to have him lose again), just that he has to come out on top over Rock in the end and as a fan of both guys I'd rather they gave Cena the win this year and end it 1-1 with fans of both guys having their moments rather than having Rock winning again and dragging it on for another year (because you know the number one part time guy is never going to win a feud with the number one current guy unless there's some serious Hogan style politicking going on and I think we all know Rock doesn't play those games) and have to listen to fans on both sides complaining about all the different permutations all year long again.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 2, 2013 19:54:30 GMT -5
Win or lose, Cena has to come out of the match changed, evolved or different. That's the bottom line. He desperately needs to have some sort of new arc. He is possibly the most inconsistently written top star in wrestling history. He's Vince's mary sue, who rather than growing or evolving, simply becomes whatever is needed that particular month, often negating any prior ramifications he may have suffered. Some people try to spin it like he's just "putting on a good face" and moving forward. But it's not that. John Cena is simply not a realistic or well written character. And if and when he beats Rock, I'm hoping WWE uses that as a true launching pad to do something INTERESTING with him. If not, Rock "giving the rub" is worthless. It'll be the same old same old; an irritating, smiling imbecile that holds the attention of a captive audience, but prevents the growth of a larger one. Ratings won't change. And Cena vs. Punk at Extreme Rules (where I'm sure they'll go next) will get 175,000 worldwide buys and everything will Hamster-wheel from there.
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Post by celticjobber on Feb 2, 2013 20:40:59 GMT -5
Cena doesn't draw in real terms, so I would argue the star power comment. By that I mean the buyrate wouldn't change much if he was there or not. I'm pretty sure that ratings and buyrates go down by a noticeable amount when Cena's not around. That's why WWE tries to put him on every show. It seems like alot of the IWC really underestimate Cena's appeal. With Cena as the top star, WWE is getting around 3.0 or so on average for RAW. But perhaps if he wasn't there, they'd get more like a 2.0 or even less.
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Post by The Tee Why on Feb 2, 2013 20:49:36 GMT -5
I just wanna see if they have the balls to actually stand triumphant over the f***ing Rock in New York. Like, I get it, business and all, but it's gonna look HORRIBLE with the last shot of him being booed and trolling the people who forked over their hard earned money to see...that. As Cena's celebrating you hear in a weak beaten down voice' ah nah nah nah nah! That isnt how the people want this to go! Restart the match" Cena: -peoples elbow- 1 2 3
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 2, 2013 20:59:13 GMT -5
Cena doesn't draw in real terms, so I would argue the star power comment. By that I mean the buyrate wouldn't change much if he was there or not. I'm pretty sure that ratings and buyrates go down by a noticeable amount when Cena's not around. That's why WWE tries to put him on every show. It seems like alot of the IWC really underestimate Cena's appeal. With Cena as the top star, WWE is getting around 3.0 or so on average for RAW. But perhaps if he wasn't there, they'd get more like a 2.0 or even less. The buyrates don't go down when Cena isn't around. At least based on the few times he's actually been injured or off the card. In fact, Hell in a Cell did much better than any Non-attraction Cena match this year, despite his absence. And while he is the top Ratings guy, it isn't life and death numbers, it's a single rating point of a .1 most times. Here's the the thing on Cena. He's the top dog is a half-filled pool. He plays his part well, and keeps things afloat, but he is not a true game-changer. Things won't get hotter under him. And there's nothing wrong with that. Every generation has a "best man for the job" act, that carries the shaky ship. There's a constant argument made that Cena, alone, is their top constant attraction, and that disaster would ensue if he was ever to leave, be removed or phased out. However, there is also an argument to be made that by proxy of catering to a safe status-quo, WWE is squandering opportunity to elevate or expose acts that could have gotten hot or been that boom-period mover and shaker that just needed the platform (like Austin). That's pure speculation, of course, but we know based on WWE's own history, that the booms only come, not out of some magical spontaneous cyclical nonsense, but because the previous act had either left or been rode as far as they could go, and WWE(F) was then forced to think outside the box, take chances, and maybe even retool their presentation altogether. It'll come to that again one day. It'll have to. WWE under Cena has reached it's ceiling. It's been a good ride, and will likely continue to provide good --and occasionally with the right dream opponent, great -- returns. But it won't spark any sort of boom. And by squandering the chance to truly elevate someone new (like say Ryback, who's been horribly booked in recent months), WWE will continue to burn the candle at both ends. One day, even-steven Cena won't be around. And WWE won't have the next guy to plug the ever-growing hole in the ship.
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Post by memphis25 on Feb 3, 2013 1:25:33 GMT -5
Cena doesn't draw in real terms, so I would argue the star power comment. By that I mean the buyrate wouldn't change much if he was there or not. If Cena wasn't a draw he would have been turned heel years ago, he is a far bigger draw than anyone on the everyday roster.
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