BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Feb 2, 2013 0:38:44 GMT -5
Why is it a big deal that Cena, as a face, gets booed by a percentage (but never the majority) of the crowd, but not that those smarky fans cheer heels like Punk or Orton or Edge or Jericho, etc.? Aren't they just as much 'failures' for not getting the proper reaction from the crowd? At least if fans are cheering a heel, you know the fans are enjoying that superstar. As long as that happen, whether or not the superstar is getting the "proper reaction" doesn't really matter much.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Feb 2, 2013 0:46:19 GMT -5
I'd have to go to the hospital to have the smile surgically removed from my face.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves BBL Bayley on Feb 2, 2013 0:49:28 GMT -5
I'm convinced he will win. It will be in the main event of Wrestlemania, which has become the smark commune, in the New York Metropolitan area, one of the marquee cities of smarkdom.
This will be Vince McMahon's final big f*** you to the internet, the smarks, and everyone who doesn't lap up everything he puts out.
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Post by celticjobber on Feb 2, 2013 1:02:30 GMT -5
Why is it a big deal that Cena, as a face, gets booed by a percentage (but never the majority) of the crowd, but not that those smarky fans cheer heels like Punk or Orton or Edge or Jericho, etc.? Aren't they just as much 'failures' for not getting the proper reaction from the crowd? At least if fans are cheering a heel, you know the fans are enjoying that superstar. As long as that happen, whether or not the superstar is getting the "proper reaction" doesn't really matter much. I've heard wrestlers like Triple H and Raven say in interviews that when they're heels, it pisses them off to get cheered. It makes it seem like they aren't properly doing their job, if the crowd doesn't all hate them. Dolph Ziggler also said something similar in a recent interview that I read.
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Post by DIIV on Feb 2, 2013 1:12:58 GMT -5
I just wanna see if they have the balls to actually stand triumphant over the f***ing Rock in New York. Like, I get it, business and all, but it's gonna look HORRIBLE with the last shot of him being booed and trolling the people who forked over their hard earned money to see...that. Same. Also I hate knowing that if Cena wins and he gets booed out of the building, he'll just hold the title up and shrug off the reactions as if it doesn't matter that he's a FACE being booed harder than some of the most hated heels on the roster. Huge slap in the face. Cena is pretty much a heel anyway in terms of crowd reactions so it doesn't bother me too much anymore. WWE gave up long ago.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Feb 2, 2013 1:13:55 GMT -5
At least if fans are cheering a heel, you know the fans are enjoying that superstar. As long as that happen, whether or not the superstar is getting the "proper reaction" doesn't really matter much. I've heard wrestlers like Triple H and Raven say in interviews that when they're heels, it pisses them off to get cheered. It makes it seem like they aren't properly doing their job, if the crowd doesn't all hate them. Dolph Ziggler also said something similar in a recent interview that I read. That's a different story, and their own problem if they feel that way. Fans don't pay money to go to a show to cater to a superstar's needs. It's the other way around.
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saintpat
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Post by saintpat on Feb 2, 2013 1:28:52 GMT -5
It's the same slap in the face from fans if a heel can't get his heel character over and the fans are instead adoring him.
I like the way Cena handles it -- shrugs, laughs, goes along with it like "what are you gonna do?" Should he instead hang his head in shame and trudge out of the arena brokenhearted?
News flash: a LOT of smarks cheer all the heels and boo all the faces. It's what makes them smarks.
Surely a lot of you have gone to live shows. If you have, you can't have missed the fact that more people are wearing Cena shirts and merch than all of the rest of the roster combined (at least that's been my experience, in multiple states and over a long period of time, including recently). He gets big pops even when he shows up on a promo or commercial on the big screen on house shows when he isn't even there, and even from people who know he isn't there. There are more Cena signs than signs for any other wreslter on the roster.
I've heard him booed, heck, I've been one of the ones who booed him -- but, SHOCKER, it doesn't mean anything. It's the thing to do now. For most who boo him, it's all in fun. Am I the only one who remembers those guys in the front row with anti-Cena shirts who were grinning ear to ear when he plunged himself among them in celebration? I don't think those people hate him. I am absolutey sure that most of the people who boo him don't hate him. It's like assuming that people who chant "What?" at a promo can't hear or understand the words -- a complete misinterpretation of what's happening.
So let 'em boo VKM and WWE all the way to the bank. If New Yorkers are such true smarks (I seem to remember that the word stands for "SMART marks") that they shell out big bucks to go to a WM where it's pretty obvious Cena is going to win and they feel cheated enough that they actually boo in disappointment, they ain't such smarty marks after all, are they?
In fact, if they are gullible enough to believe WWE is bringing them a WM to NY when instead it's being staged in NEW JERSEY, well, how much stock are you going to put in their opinions?
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 2, 2013 1:43:49 GMT -5
In fact, if they are gullible enough to believe WWE is bringing them a WM to NY when instead it's being staged in NEW JERSEY, well, how much stock are you going to put in their opinions? Huh? Yes, I'm sure the fans won't realize they're in New Jersey.
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saintpat
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Post by saintpat on Feb 2, 2013 1:54:38 GMT -5
In fact, if they are gullible enough to believe WWE is bringing them a WM to NY when instead it's being staged in NEW JERSEY, well, how much stock are you going to put in their opinions? Huh? Yes, I'm sure the fans won't realize they're in New Jersey. Well, judging from the number of posts and threads about how the NEW YORK smark crowd is going to react, I guess somebody doesn't realize it.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 2, 2013 1:56:33 GMT -5
Huh? Yes, I'm sure the fans won't realize they're in New Jersey. Well, judging from the number of posts and threads about how the NEW YORK smark crowd is going to react, I guess somebody doesn't realize it. It's a border state, it'll probably be packed with New Yorkers. I live in NY and I can get to the stadium in about 15 minutes. Heck the NY Jets and NY Giants play in the stadium. A lot of transplanted New Yorkers in Jersey too.
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Post by onestepplan on Feb 2, 2013 4:29:15 GMT -5
I think the 'E is counting on Cena getting booed out of the building after beating Rock. I also think it's the night they finally pull the trigger on Cena's turn. I mean, Cena has to go over, never mind the business aspect, purely for storyline sense. Rock winning just proves he's better and they could've left it at one match if that's what they wanted.
So there's two ways a Cena win could play out, Cena goes over clean and Rock shakes his hand or whatever. That's basic storytelling that establishes two evenly matched gladiators earning each others' respect. That can be a solid story but it will get booed out of the f***ing state if it's the story they're telling with Cena and Rock. The other is Cena panics after losing the first time and takes a shortcut. He will stand tall over Rock and they will boo him hard for it and for once that'll be a good thing. That's what I'm hoping for anyway.
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Post by memphis25 on Feb 2, 2013 4:52:20 GMT -5
If Rock beat Cena again then WWE would be throwing away yet another big money Mania or SummerSlam Main Event. Once its 1-1 it gives WWE the tie breaker match which could be highly promoted and draw fans in wanting to see who the best actually is in this story, its a multimillion dollar trump card they can cash in any time the want to spike a buyrate.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Feb 2, 2013 5:00:38 GMT -5
Then The Rock wins. Either way I lose. Well, ask yourself which is the lesser evil.
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MOONDOG
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Post by MOONDOG on Feb 2, 2013 5:06:33 GMT -5
What will i tell my 6 year old nephew if Cena goes Heel ? Even more importantly......what will i tell MYSELF
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Feb 2, 2013 6:15:38 GMT -5
People seem to forget that just because Cena gets booed a lot doesn't mean he gets no cheers. More people like John Cena than any other guy on the roster right now no matter how many people hate him.
EX 2 million people hate John Cena while 10 million like him. That's still 10 million no matter what the hatred number is.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 2, 2013 6:31:16 GMT -5
If Cena lost, I wouldn't like it. I'd find it stupid.
At Wrestlemania 27 Rock hit Cena with the Rock Bottom, allowing Miz to win, Rock hits Miz with the Rock Bottom, and the show ends with Rock standing tall. At Survivor Series 2011, Rock and Cena won, Rock hit Cena with the Rock Bottom after the match, and the show ends with Rock standing tall. Last year at Mania, Rock beat Cena, and the show of course ends with Rock standing tall.
Cena's got to get one over on Rock on ppv. I like The Rock, but if he beats Cena that will mean everyone that's crossed paths with Rock on ppv, hasn't been able to get the better of Rock. Rock will have owned Cena, Punk, Miz, and Truth, Rock has to get beat. And if the most popular full timer in the WWE (Cena is the biggest draw) isn't popular enough to beat Rock, who is?
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Post by Snaptastic on Feb 2, 2013 6:47:23 GMT -5
If Cena lost, I wouldn't like it. I'd find it stupid. At Wrestlemania 27 Rock hit Cena with the Rock Bottom, allowing Miz to win, Rock hits Miz with the Rock Bottom, and the show ends with Rock standing tall. At Survivor Series 2011, Rock and Cena won, Rock hit Cena with the Rock Bottom after the match, and the show ends with Rock standing tall. Last year at Mania, Rock beat Cena, and the show of course ends with Rock standing tall. Cena's got to get one over on Rock on ppv. I like The Rock, but if he beats Cena that will mean everyone that's crossed paths with Rock on ppv, hasn't been able to get the better of Rock. Rock will have owned Cena, Punk, Miz, and Truth, Rock has to get beat. And if the most popular full timer in the WWE (Cena is the biggest draw) isn't popular enough to beat Rock, who is? Well they did basically say at the end of Mania 28, that Rock is the greatest WWE superstar of all time.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Feb 2, 2013 9:47:40 GMT -5
He should. Then Evolve his character. I'm not saying turn him "heel", cause he's already the biggest tweener ever. But let's see what happens if Cena abandoned "Loyalty, Hustle, Respect". Cena as the secret leader of the Shield. Could anyone have predicted Mr. Prayers and Vitamins being the secret leader of the nWo?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2013 9:53:33 GMT -5
People mostly boo Cena and chant Cena sucks for their own amusement these days. I'd say that most fans actually like the guy now. When Cena goes into the Hall Of Fame he's all but guaranteed to get a "Let's go Cena/Cena sucks" chant going. He's not nearly as polarizing as he is made out to be IMO.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 2, 2013 10:33:49 GMT -5
People seem to forget that just because Cena gets booed a lot doesn't mean he gets no cheers. More people like John Cena than any other guy on the roster right now no matter how many people hate him. EX 2 million people hate John Cena while 10 million like him. That's still 10 million no matter what the hatred number is. No, more people REACT to John Cena. There's a distinction. He's the most "over" guy they have. That said, his fanbase hardly buys the PPVs he's featured on. That's where the hardcores voices are louder. Of the five million that watch WWE, only 225,000 on average --worldwide-- PAY for the product. And an argument could be made that at least half of that 225,000 hates Cena. And the extra 800,000 lapsed, returning and casual fans are coming for the name and for the Rock at WrestleMania. Cena's the most popular guy in a very shallow pond on his own. Hell, he doesn't really draw on PPV, unless presented in a heel role.
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