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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 12:22:35 GMT -5
Fallon's crushing it on his show. He's got a lot of freedom to do random shit and it's one of the only late night shows I watch. And I was a HUGE detractor of Fallon taking over Late Night - thought it was a big mistake, but I now gladly admit I was wrong on that one.
Moving up to the Tonight Show slot would hamper him, just like it did for Conan when he was there for those 16 seconds.
I think they should bring in someone else to take over & keep Fallon in his timeslot.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 2, 2013 12:35:49 GMT -5
There's a misconception in this thread that Conan in "The Tonight Show" was somehow a failure. That's not the case. While he didn't immediately carry the same ratings that Leno had at the time that he left, his first year in "The Tonight Show's" chair did monumentally better than Leno's first year. Further, while there was a bit of a rocky road that summer, the final several weeks of Conan's show (even before the announcement/controversy that he was leaving) were still out-performing everyone else (Letterman, etc.) in his timeslot.
NBC dumped him because their Leno experiment at the 10:00 hour failed, and they knew they could only keep one or the other. Leno would have cost them both too much in terms of an immediate contract payout (80 Million to Conan's 40 million) as well as the potential damage Leno could do if competing against NBC at another network.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 2, 2013 12:50:15 GMT -5
The 2013-14 television season will be the last for Jay Leno as host of "The Tonight Show" in Los Angeles, The Hollywood Reporter quoted two sources as saying. I like Fallon. He's not funny on his own, but I enjoy him hosting Late Night. I wasn't a big fan of him before his hosting job, so I was dumb-founded like the rest of you when I heard he was replacing Conan on Late Night, and thought he wasn't going to last. Surprisingly, I was proven wrong, and he's really grown into his own. However, it's still way too early for him to leave Late Night. Conan was more than ready, Fallon isn't. Give him another 5 or so years, and then we'll see.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 2, 2013 17:27:26 GMT -5
Is anybody surprised at how well Kimmel seems to be handling going against Letterman/Leno? I get that there's a lot of grassroots goodwill for the guy, but I'm impressed at how fine the show seems to be doing against the truly established folk. Weird to see the bog-standard network race become a proper three-way.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Mar 2, 2013 17:32:29 GMT -5
Leno will just end up coming back again. He'll probably host Tonight until he's an invalid or dies of old age. Much like his audience demo.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 2, 2013 17:40:49 GMT -5
Sounds familiar...
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Mar 2, 2013 17:49:38 GMT -5
I never understood why Leno even wanted The Tonight Show back or why he wanted to do the 10 pm show. I also read the Bill Carter book War For Late Night and it mentioned how Leno is a workaholic who likes to stick to a daily routine. So keep on working in TV for the same network out of the same studio appealed to him. But it also mentions how he hated celebrity interviews and basically looked past his interviewee to read off of cue cards. So I never understood why he would want to stay in the chat show game and just not re-direct his workaholic tendencies to stand up. That way he could appease his joke telling jones without having to fake your way through interview some movie star on a press junket.
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Post by rocket on Mar 2, 2013 18:48:17 GMT -5
There's a misconception in this thread that Conan in "The Tonight Show" was somehow a failure. That's not the case. While he didn't immediately carry the same ratings that Leno had at the time that he left, his first year in "The Tonight Show's" chair did monumentally better than Leno's first year. Further, while there was a bit of a rocky road that summer, the final several weeks of Conan's show (even before the announcement/controversy that he was leaving) were still out-performing everyone else (Letterman, etc.) in his timeslot. NBC dumped him because their Leno experiment at the 10:00 hour failed, and they knew they could only keep one or the other. Leno would have cost them both too much in terms of an immediate contract payout (80 Million to Conan's 40 million) as well as the potential damage Leno could do if competing against NBC at another network. Also, the newscasts in-between Leno and Conan lost a lot of viewers. Even before Leno started at 10 the affiliate in Boston wanted to not air it. Although they did air it anyway, NBC should have seen that as a warning. The network might have saved money, but they didn't foresee the damage affiliates would have. For that matter, that's why Conan isn't at Fox. There are a lot of Fox stations that air newscasts at 11, and they don't want to lose out on direct station revenue, especially these days.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 2, 2013 18:49:34 GMT -5
I'll believe that when I see it.
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Post by Orange on Mar 2, 2013 19:04:47 GMT -5
I must be in the minority that much prefers Jay Leno to Conan. That's not to say that Leno is the cream of the crop, and that's not to say that Conan absolutely sucks, but everybody else sees this amazingly funny guy and I... I just don't see it. I've tried, and I just don't "get" him, I guess.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 2, 2013 19:08:57 GMT -5
Conan is hit or miss for me. I haven't found a Leno joke funny in a long, long time though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 19:25:47 GMT -5
I must be in the minority that much prefers Jay Leno to Conan. That's not to say that Leno is the cream of the crop, and that's not to say that Conan absolutely sucks, but everybody else sees this amazingly funny guy and I... I just don't see it. I've tried, and I just don't "get" him, I guess. Conan's a brilliantly funny guy but I don't think it's come out in the talk show format for a long while, though granted, I haven't really tuned in for a while now. That's one of my disappointments in the aftermath of the whole Leno thing, in that I was hoping Conan would find a new outlet for his comedy. I personally was happy for Conan's success on the Tonight Show but I did find the comedy suffered, and was hoping when he left he'd find a way to change the format somehow because I feel like the late night talk show concept is kind of getting old. I was hoping he'd get into something a little more focused on the comedy and less driven by disingenuous conversations with boring celebrities. I know Conan/Fallon/Kimmel have their moments, but I never enjoy the talk segments.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 2, 2013 20:41:53 GMT -5
I must be in the minority that much prefers Jay Leno to Conan. That's not to say that Leno is the cream of the crop, and that's not to say that Conan absolutely sucks, but everybody else sees this amazingly funny guy and I... I just don't see it. I've tried, and I just don't "get" him, I guess. Conan's a brilliantly funny guy but I don't think it's come out in the talk show format for a long while, though granted, I haven't really tuned in for a while now. That's one of my disappointments in the aftermath of the whole Leno thing, in that I was hoping Conan would find a new outlet for his comedy. I personally was happy for Conan's success on the Tonight Show but I did find the comedy suffered, and was hoping when he left he'd find a way to change the format somehow because I feel like the late night talk show concept is kind of getting old. I was hoping he'd get into something a little more focused on the comedy and less driven by disingenuous conversations with boring celebrities. I know Conan/Fallon/Kimmel have their moments, but I never enjoy the talk segments. Well hail to the king because that's my thoughts as well. After his leaving late night for the tonight show (and his subsequent show on TBS) I too thought he'd bring the zany to these new shows and while Conan is an amazing comedian... I just don't see it enough on the show anymore. I kinda prefer what Craig Ferguson or even Eric Andre are doing in deconstructing the genre.
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Post by PrinceD on Mar 2, 2013 20:50:11 GMT -5
Jay Leno is a dick. So is Johnny Carson.
BABABOOEY!!
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Mar 2, 2013 22:32:46 GMT -5
Can I just add that today marks the 4th anniversary of Jimmy Fallon taking over hosting duties on Late Night?
First episode aired March 2, 2009. I have it on tape, I might rewatch it for fun.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Mar 2, 2013 23:00:42 GMT -5
Leno will just end up coming back again. He'll probably host Tonight until he's an invalid or dies of old age. Much like his audience demo. AHAHAHA. Ahaha, oh Sean man, you crazy, you crazy.
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Mar 2, 2013 23:20:17 GMT -5
I'm getting a real feeling of Deja Vu here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 1:14:19 GMT -5
The answer is clear: give Louis C.K Leno's spot.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 3, 2013 1:36:16 GMT -5
The answer is clear: give Louis C.K Leno's spot. I don't know if Louis C.K. would want it. He seems to be very hands on with his projects and I doubt he'd want any pressure from the overlords at NBC.
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Post by THE Baldy Kendrick on Mar 3, 2013 13:59:16 GMT -5
I never understood why Leno even wanted The Tonight Show back or why he wanted to do the 10 pm show. I don't think that Jay really ever wanted to leave in the first place. My guess is that when the Jay-to-Conan transition plan was first put in place, he figured he'd actually want to be done by the time the switch was to be made. It's just that his desire to work never left once it was time for him to leave, so the offers from the other networks seemed really appealing to him.
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