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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 4, 2013 13:59:56 GMT -5
Leno deserves every attack he's ever received, if only retroactively deserving it from the Carson fallout. How so? NBC decided to give him the job
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 4, 2013 14:23:05 GMT -5
Leno deserves every attack he's ever received, if only retroactively deserving it from the Carson fallout. How so? NBC decided to give him the job I think it's the residual animosity left over from Leno's manager, Helen Kushnick. In his book, 'The Late Shift', Bill Carter alleged she planted the story in the New York Post that precipitated Johnny Carson's exit, as a means to parlay Leno's permanent guest-host gig into full time control on the 'Tonight' show. This, amongst other nefarious maneuver cause Leno to suffer a tremendous amount of ill-will as a result of not only letting her run the house in an obnoxious, alienating fashion, but also due to his refusing to let her go 'til a few months into his 'Tonight' show run. Then there's fact that most people preferred Letterman, as evidenced by his string of wins for the first few years of 'Late'/'Tonight' show battles. Though, to his credit, Leno listen to all advice and took everything on board, eventually wrestle the 'Tonight' show back into #1. Well, consistent #1, 'Late' and 'Tonight' still trade victories on a fairly regular basis. As well, there's Kimmel on the field now too, so it remains to be seen if his wins are consistently eating into Letterman and Leno's audience, or if he's attracting a different sort of viewer into the late shifts. Anyways, my point, however badly put together it is, is that Leno wrestled his way into being #1 in broad-based late-night comedy, and became a success for better or worse. Even with the Conan debacle and how bad it was for business for all involved, it isn't Leno's concern to somehow care for Letterman's/O'Brien's dreams; he wanted it too, and he got it. I write this as a man who vastly prefers Letterman/O'Brien to Leno's brand of comedy, but it's business, not sentiment. I do think the Conan shunt was a poor move in regards to the potential longevity of the 'Tonight' show, but Leno's reappearance will work in the short-term for NBC. As an aside, and actually related to the OP, I wonder how much support Fallon would truly enjoy if he helmed the 11.35 shift. Given that television is still in a period of flux due to the internet's increasing role, and that NBC proved that they weren't willing to take let something grow in that environment with Conan's case. They also proved to how they'll cling to anything that's still working, even if it's not the most viable option in the long-term. How long will Fallon have 'til Leno gets another call to return? Oh, and for the love of all things loveable, don't try position Leno back at 10, or whatever other position that'd nuke the lead-in ratings, killing the news, and then hammering the 'Tonight' show. If you're gonna do it, then do it. Let Leno go across the street or to a competitor, and give Fallon your all, or don't offer the role in the first place.
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 4, 2013 15:16:03 GMT -5
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Mar 4, 2013 15:16:26 GMT -5
Well, Jeff Zucker is now at CNN and shaking things up there. Maybe he gives Leno a show.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Mar 4, 2013 15:38:51 GMT -5
And NBC wonders why they are right now behind Univision in ratings.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 4, 2013 15:55:40 GMT -5
Fallon's show is the best late night show out there, and it isnt even close. I'd love to see him get the Tonight Show gig.
Conan really lost a lot of zip off his show since moving to TBS
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 4, 2013 21:08:57 GMT -5
If they are worried about a younger demographic, why drop Conan to begin with? What if Fallon gets low ratings?
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 4, 2013 21:19:01 GMT -5
If they are worried about a younger demographic, why drop Conan to begin with? What if Fallon gets low ratings? The Late Show with Miranda Cosgrove?
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Post by h on Mar 4, 2013 21:30:10 GMT -5
I'm still wondering who decided on the format of Jay Leno's prime time show. A short monologue, followed by a seemingly endless tangent from someone who, for all intents and purposes, was basically a guest host, and eventually getting back to Leno.
I'm not a Jay Leno fan, but sticking a 15-minute segment with some comic that I've never heard of near the beginning of the show was just stupid. Get a bit of momentum, kill it off completely, and then cut to Leno trying to fan the episode's ashes.
The show was little more than the Kamp Krusty version of the Tonight Show. Leno's name on it, but little if any Leno for an extended stretch. Of course it failed.
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 4, 2013 21:30:46 GMT -5
If they are worried about a younger demographic, why drop Conan to begin with? What if Fallon gets low ratings? The Late Show with Miranda Cosgrove? Random hosting!!
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Post by Alucard on Mar 4, 2013 22:45:28 GMT -5
That'll be the best six months of Jimmy Fallon's life.
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Post by kamero00 on Mar 5, 2013 3:25:04 GMT -5
Jay Leno's audience is either literally dying out, or they are just too old to stay up that late.
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Post by ashcampbell on Mar 5, 2013 6:30:43 GMT -5
Jimmy Fallon is awful, not even remotely funny, and I don't understand how he was given any job after doing nothing but laugh during sketches on SNL. I don't think he ever did one skit where he and Horatio Sanz didn't crack up. He always came across as Adam Sandler's B-Side to me.
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 5, 2013 7:42:10 GMT -5
With shows like "The Daily Show, "Colbert Report" and "Chelsea Lately" the landscape of late night television is changing-sure Kimmel seems to be getting ratings, but who knows where tv will be in 5 years really
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Apr 3, 2013 12:33:21 GMT -5
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Post by Juice on Apr 3, 2013 12:41:31 GMT -5
I love all things Fallon. I have a fear that he won't translate well at first, but since Lorne is producing and it's moving to his studio I see fallon as a long term prospect so good for him.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Apr 3, 2013 13:28:26 GMT -5
I still feel it's too soon for Fallon, and he works better in Late Night (most do). Also, if it means his replacement is Seth Meyers, then I don't want Fallon to leave.
So what the hell was the point of outing Conan and going through that all debacle, if Leno was gonna be gone just a couple of years later?
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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 3, 2013 13:46:53 GMT -5
Myers? Bleh.
Can someone let Michael Ian Black host a show please?
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 3, 2013 13:54:17 GMT -5
I still feel it's too soon for Fallon, and he works better in Late Night (most do). Also, if it means his replacement is Seth Meyers, then I don't want Fallon to leave. So what the hell was the point of outing Conan and going through that all debacle, if Leno was gonna be gone just a couple of years later? At the time of the Leno/Conan debacle NBC was being sold to comcast. I believe the prevalent thought was NBC wanted to be at it's strongest (since it's prime time was s***) and get Leno back into the 11:35 slot. Also as been mentioned, Leno's contract costs NBC a lot more if they got rid of Leno so Conan had to go. Now NBC is owned by comcast and Leno's rubbed the execs the wrong way with his shots about NBC's ratings (5th behind univision). Comcast is also betting that Fallon will attract the more coveted 18-35 demo. I really think that's faulty logic and they're fighting over an increasingly smaller pie.
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Post by Dat Dude on Apr 3, 2013 13:58:56 GMT -5
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