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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 3, 2013 14:39:00 GMT -5
If I were NBC: First, I'd make a public, but low-ball, offer to David Letterman. Just to piss him off, mostly. Then I'd hire Chevy Chase, using the advertising "Everyone Deserves a Second Chance." Five minutes into his first show, though, I'd send Dan Harmon to the stage to fire Chevy.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Mar 3, 2013 15:19:48 GMT -5
So what basic cable network will Jimmy Fallon host a show in the 2015-2016 TV season?
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 3, 2013 16:53:49 GMT -5
So what basic cable network will Jimmy Fallon host a show in the 2015-2016 TV season? TBS, 11pm to 12am.....................
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 3, 2013 17:51:44 GMT -5
I never understood why Leno even wanted The Tonight Show back or why he wanted to do the 10 pm show. I don't think that Jay really ever wanted to leave in the first place. My guess is that when the Jay-to-Conan transition plan was first put in place, he figured he'd actually want to be done by the time the switch was to be made. It's just that his desire to work never left once it was time for him to leave, so the offers from the other networks seemed really appealing to him. The way I always understood it was it was NBC's idea to begin with and Leno didn't want to leave the Tonight Show
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 3, 2013 19:38:58 GMT -5
The way I always understood it was it was NBC's idea to begin with and Leno didn't want to leave the Tonight Show Yep, done to move him out gracefully so that they would avoid another Leno/Letterman fiasco. Heh.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 3, 2013 21:17:22 GMT -5
Also to keep Conan at NBC for another 5 years. Conan could've pretty much done whatever he wanted in 2004 before the 'Tonight' show deal. His NBC contract was up, and the only thing that'd get him to stick around was the 'Tonight' show.
This was Jeff Zucker and NBC's masterplan. Retire Leno, who was getting numbers and didn't want to retire, and keep Conan on board with a carrot they weren't all that keen to give to him the first place, due to Leno's consistent success. In hindsight, Conan was essentially conned into staying at NBC, much to his potential monetary gain.
Mind, if Conan, unlike Jay, had actually specified a timeslot in his 'Tonight' show contract, we'd be somewhere else entirely by now.
Granted, I don't get into a lot of this 'Team Coco' stuff, and the obliviousness to TV business the sentiment carries, but I can't help but feel NBC made a series of shortsighted moves that has cost them not just Conan's settlement, but a potentially lucrative take on the 'Tonight' franchise. NBC's flat-out refusal to afford Conan a lot of the luxuries and time to grow that Leno had gotten in his early days just stinks of a company filled with buffons.
Just an ever expanding list of pinheads moves, and that's before we get to the whole idea of Leno getting signed on after his 'Tonight' run, and with a 'pay-and-play' deal. They called their guy, they picked Conan. The amount of shuffling that ensued did nothing but damage all involved. So much boneheadery, it's unreal.
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 3, 2013 21:21:06 GMT -5
I love Fallon. Fully support this.
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 3, 2013 21:41:50 GMT -5
So much boneheadery, it's unreal. I think this pretty much sums everything up.
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Post by meheartbecca on Mar 3, 2013 21:47:57 GMT -5
I wanted to hate Jimmy Fallon when his show first started, but I just couldn't do it. It's too likable, and as much as it pains people to admit it, he's immensely talented. I've said before that he's the most talented man on television, and I truly believe that. If anyone deserves a shot at The Tonight Show, it's him.
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Post by Cela on Mar 3, 2013 22:13:19 GMT -5
I wanted to hate Jimmy Fallon when his show first started, but I just couldn't do it. It's too likable, and as much as it pains people to admit it, he's immensely talented. I've said before that he's the most talented man on television, and I truly believe that. If anyone deserves a shot at The Tonight Show, it's him. Hey Guys! Fallon posts here! YAY!
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Post by wildojinx on Mar 3, 2013 22:41:57 GMT -5
On the Team Coco side of the argument, if Leno DID leave NBC, would it have been that big of a deal? CBS and ABC already had late night shows, and FOX doesnt want to give up their syndie reruns. Leno probably would have just had some syndicated late night show at best.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 3, 2013 23:34:10 GMT -5
On the Team Coco side of the argument, if Leno DID leave NBC, would it have been that big of a deal? CBS and ABC already had late night shows, and FOX doesnt want to give up their syndie reruns. Leno probably would have just had some syndicated late night show at best. ABC were wooing Leno, as they've considered Nightline flexible/disposable since Koppel's departure in 2005, and evidenced by the fact they've just given Kimmel its timeslot. Had Leno made the jump, Kimmel would've ran back-up an hour later, and Nightline would've been at mercy. Of course, opening Leno to different brand of bad-will to what he received from the 'Tonight' show fiasco.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Mar 4, 2013 1:32:59 GMT -5
I get my late night fix from Stewart and Colbert from Monday and from Bill Maher on Fridays.
I don't care who hosts The Tonight Show. NBC did Jay Leno wrong several years when they basically told him when he was going to retire so that Conan could take it over. They should have either fired Jay Leno or allowed him to leave on his own terms. I didn't like it when Jay Leno was the brunt of a lot of attacks from hosts like Kimmel, Letterman, and to a degree Conan (and fans with their 'Team Coco' campaign). To me, NBC was really the ones at fault. Jay didn't deserve so much backlash for being forced to leave a job he was still wanting to do.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 4, 2013 1:51:23 GMT -5
So what basic cable network will Jimmy Fallon host a show in the 2015-2016 TV season? TBS, 11pm to 12am..................... They just got a comic for that slot. So the correct answer is, of course, Lifetime.
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Post by corndog on Mar 4, 2013 2:12:27 GMT -5
I never really liked Fallon before his late night show, but while I don't regularly watch it, I have enjoyed what I have seen. I still don't think he's ready, but I can see him making it work and the show could definitely use a younger face. The only issue, as others have said, I will have to see Leno retire to believe it.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 4, 2013 2:16:48 GMT -5
I don't care who hosts The Tonight Show. NBC did Jay Leno wrong several years when they basically told him when he was going to retire so that Conan could take it over. They should have either fired Jay Leno or allowed him to leave on his own terms. I didn't like it when Jay Leno was the brunt of a lot of attacks from hosts like Kimmel, Letterman, and to a degree Conan (and fans with their 'Team Coco' campaign). To me, NBC was really the ones at fault. Jay didn't deserve so much backlash for being forced to leave a job he was still wanting to do. I agree that the majority of this is nbc's fault, but let's not act as if leno was completely innocent. He went back to nbc of his own free will. He knew what a 10pm time slot would do to the regularly scheduled shows on nbc. Leno didn't create this mess but he made it worse.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Mar 4, 2013 9:58:40 GMT -5
I don't care who hosts The Tonight Show. NBC did Jay Leno wrong several years when they basically told him when he was going to retire so that Conan could take it over. They should have either fired Jay Leno or allowed him to leave on his own terms. I didn't like it when Jay Leno was the brunt of a lot of attacks from hosts like Kimmel, Letterman, and to a degree Conan (and fans with their 'Team Coco' campaign). To me, NBC was really the ones at fault. Jay didn't deserve so much backlash for being forced to leave a job he was still wanting to do. but let's not act as if leno was completely innocent. He went back to nbc of his own free will. He knew what a 10pm time slot would do to the regularly scheduled shows on nbc. Leno didn't create this mess but he made it worse. I really don't know here, but I assumed NBC made the offer to Jay for the 10:00 show, so that they could keep Jay on the network since he was still doing strong ratings as host of the Tonight Show and because they felt they owed him since they bumped him from The Tonight Show before he was ready to leave. I can't fault Jay for taking them up on the offer. Did Jay come up with the idea for the 10:00 show and pitch it to NBC? If not, then why blame Jay for taking that gig?
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 4, 2013 10:20:02 GMT -5
but let's not act as if leno was completely innocent. He went back to nbc of his own free will. He knew what a 10pm time slot would do to the regularly scheduled shows on nbc. Leno didn't create this mess but he made it worse. I really don't know here, but I assumed NBC made the offer to Jay for the 10:00 show, so that they could keep Jay on the network since he was still doing strong ratings as host of the Tonight Show and because they felt they owed him since they bumped him from The Tonight Show before he was ready to leave. I can't fault Jay for taking them up on the offer. Did Jay come up with the idea for the 10:00 show and pitch it to NBC? If not, then why blame Jay for taking that gig? Exactly. NBC made the offer for the 10:00 show after they saw other networks were interested in Jay, so this way, A. Jay could stay at NBC B.Conan gets the Tonight Show without competition from Jay on another network and C. NBC would supposedly save money because it's cheaper than producing a 1 hour scripted tv show.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 12:04:15 GMT -5
The answer is clear: give Louis C.K Leno's spot. I don't know if Louis C.K. would want it. He seems to be very hands on with his projects and I doubt he'd want any pressure from the overlords at NBC. Yeah I know, he probably wouldn't. I just got done catching up on season 3 of Louie, which included the phenomenal "Late Show" arc.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 4, 2013 12:25:18 GMT -5
Leno deserves every attack he's ever received, if only retroactively deserving it from the Carson fallout.
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