TOO SWEET
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Post by TOO SWEET on Jun 12, 2013 1:42:52 GMT -5
Hmm. I'll be honest, I guess I was being a bit too hasty and gun-ho about you being mafia. Because after looking at your quotes and how the actions check out (unless anyone can find something that doesn't work time wise), I'm much less sure of my stance. I could just keep the blindsides on because I've already dug myself quite a deep hole, but I figure that its better to just fess up and admit I'm much more doubting myself about you now, Jono. Stinger: I need your answer to that question I asked earlier. I know you're not allowed to talk about your last identity/role, but are you 100% certain that Jono is mafia, or is it more of a feeling/belief given what you know about your past role? Magic knows Black Lives Matter: What's your thoughts on this current argument? I've been more trusting of you than others, but since I'm starting to feel that I'm wrong about Jono, I want to ask why you've been severely hiding under the radar this day phase? |
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Jonathan Michaels
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jun 12, 2013 1:48:36 GMT -5
Here's a quote backing Sitnger up, by the way, from ANOTHER CONFIRMED SCUM I'll second Stinger and FOS: Felandria. Here's why: Stinger raises some good points in regards to Felandria not being completely honest with us. First off, the "protected myself" theory: is that even possible? As long as I've been playing, I've never heard of someone using a protective ability on themselves. Further, as others have stated, if you're the JoaT, shouldn't you have one more ability in the holster? You say you investigated BRB, then you protected yourself and then you killed AH. Theoretically, you should still have a roleblock ability you haven't used yet. To add to that: Gee, maybe it was because I was trying not to become a target before I got to use my kill. I did that on purpose to send Mafia off my trail. But how? You opened that post saying you "knew for a fact" BRB was scum and that you were also protected last night. Now, if the mafia attacked you and it failed, rather than giving away that you were protected, why not just let them think you were unkillable? Hell, theoretically, by saying you were protected last night, it would've been essentially an invitation for them to try again, wouldn't it? Not to mention, what good comes out of roleclaiming? Presuming you're telling the truth, you may have just made yourself a stand-out target for scum, not to mention raising degree of suspicion amongst your own. It's not even like you're securing yourself as town; nobody thought you were scum in the first place, I know I never suspected it. Now, tell me, why would two scum separately screw up my game plan if I was also scum? The popular theory is that ALL THIS is an elaborate scheme on the part of the Mafia to do everything in their power to make me appear innocent and allow me to coast to a Mafia win. Here's the problem with that. I'm me. If there's one thing you can usually count on, it's me getting killed, would the Mafia really be dumb enough to make ME the Trojan Horse? And if so, why would they then try and make me look like a liar? So you could kill me and ruin the plan? It's ridiculous, I put my neck out for the town, I helped take out the Mafia roleblocker, if I'm scum and this is our plan, why would we sacrifice such a powerful role, wouldn't we throw away a goon? Nah, that would be too obvious. We'd have to make it a power role to make REALLY SURE I looked squeaky clean. The idea of that is cancelled out by two scum sabotaging me and trying to make me look bad. Unless..... Maybe that's the whole thing, have the scum accuse me, and when they flip, I look REALLY REALLY INNOCENT! That's genius. No, wait, that's incredibly stupid, because what if you guys believed either of them and lynched me, everything would be ruined. The FACT is, this whole theory is so full of holes it's laughable. I am who I say I am. And the last two guys to try and make me look scummy turned out to be scum. What does that tell you? |
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Jonathan Michaels
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jun 12, 2013 1:50:12 GMT -5
Hmm. I'll be honest, I guess I was being a bit too hasty and gun-ho about you being mafia. Because after looking at your quotes and how the actions check out (unless anyone can find something that doesn't work time wise), I'm much less sure of my stance. I could just keep the blindsides on because I've already dug myself quite a deep hole, but I figure that its better to just fess up and admit I'm much more doubting myself about you now, Jono. Stinger: I need your answer to that question I asked earlier. I know you're not allowed to talk about your last identity/role, but are you 100% certain that Jono is mafia, or is it more of a feeling/belief given what you know about your past role? Magic knows Black Lives Matter: What's your thoughts on this current argument? I've been more trusting of you than others, but since I'm starting to feel that I'm wrong about Jono, I want to ask why you've been severely hiding under the radar this day phase? Obviously I wrote the last thing while you were posting this, so thank you for finally seeing the truth. |
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Jun 12, 2013 2:31:35 GMT -5
Yeah that pretty much seals it for me.
Vote: Stinger.
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 12, 2013 4:35:38 GMT -5
Like what's been said earlier, all these claims Jono's made and no one has jumped and screamed bloody murder about him stealing something that they were supposed to do. That was the one thing that made me skeptical of the case against Jono and set aside my own doubts on Jono's role that I had a few days ago as well.
I'll give Stinger time to explain and give Orange and some time to get their thought in before I make my decision. I will have a sometime tomorrow just like I said early this day phase.
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on Jun 12, 2013 9:15:43 GMT -5
I'd guess its not bolded because its a quote from an old Day Phase, not something he is doing now during this day phase. Also, Connor, you say that Mr.B brought up Jono being third party, then Mr.B says he never even considered that. What's the story there and who is lying/mis-remembering? Stinger brought it up, Connor mistakenly thought it was B, B said he never thought there might be a larger third party, Connor corrected himself. It looks like a misunderstanding to me. My thing is that I don't remember ever seeing or being in a game where there has been more than one major third party role. If there's a serial killer, than there usually isn't another third party role unless there is a cult running around which I really don't think is the case at this point. There was the TV mafia we had a while ago where the third party one. It consisted of 4 members IIRC. Might have been three but that was what immediately came to mind. Not that this is necessarily that case but it was something I remembered as I had been part of that group for a bit before having to bow out. I don't have a whole lot of experience with them aside from that, in fact, playing mafia games here was my first time really seeing at as any other mafia games I've participated in on other sites just had mafia and town. So if I'm spouting off something that doesn't make sense I apologize for my lack of experience when it comes to that.  |
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on Jun 12, 2013 9:16:16 GMT -5
EBWOP: Where the third party *won (not one).
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Post by stinger on Jun 12, 2013 10:24:30 GMT -5
Hmm. I'll be honest, I guess I was being a bit too hasty and gun-ho about you being mafia. Because after looking at your quotes and how the actions check out (unless anyone can find something that doesn't work time wise), I'm much less sure of my stance. I could just keep the blindsides on because I've already dug myself quite a deep hole, but I figure that its better to just fess up and admit I'm much more doubting myself about you now, Jono. Stinger: I need your answer to that question I asked earlier. I know you're not allowed to talk about your last identity/role, but are you 100% certain that Jono is mafia, or is it more of a feeling/belief given what you know about your past role? Magic knows Black Lives Matter: What's your thoughts on this current argument? I've been more trusting of you than others, but since I'm starting to feel that I'm wrong about Jono, I want to ask why you've been severely hiding under the radar this day phase? I am not 100% sure. All I can say is, based on what I know, I found one of his claimed actions in particular very unlikely. There is still a chance he is telling the truth, but I don't believe that to be the case. |
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Jonathan Michaels
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jun 12, 2013 12:18:25 GMT -5
And yet you stay extremely vague and refuse to give me an opportunity to answer to the specific thing that bothers you?
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Post by stinger on Jun 12, 2013 15:32:14 GMT -5
And yet you stay extremely vague and refuse to give me an opportunity to answer to the specific thing that bothers you? I've already explained that I can't be specific because I was told not to bring in information from my past role. Believe me, if I was allowed to tell everyone why I am pretty sure you're lying, I would. And at this point, I figure I may as well make it official: Vote: JonathanMichaels |
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 12, 2013 16:24:21 GMT -5
Hmm. I'll be honest, I guess I was being a bit too hasty and gun-ho about you being mafia. Because after looking at your quotes and how the actions check out (unless anyone can find something that doesn't work time wise), I'm much less sure of my stance. I could just keep the blindsides on because I've already dug myself quite a deep hole, but I figure that its better to just fess up and admit I'm much more doubting myself about you now, Jono. Stinger: I need your answer to that question I asked earlier. I know you're not allowed to talk about your last identity/role, but are you 100% certain that Jono is mafia, or is it more of a feeling/belief given what you know about your past role? Magic knows Black Lives Matter: What's your thoughts on this current argument? I've been more trusting of you than others, but since I'm starting to feel that I'm wrong about Jono, I want to ask why you've been severely hiding under the radar this day phase? I am not 100% sure. All I can say is, based on what I know, I found one of his claimed actions in particular very unlikely. There is still a chance he is telling the truth, but I don't believe that to be the case. You're certain you can't even reveal the smallest thing that might be acceptable from Notorious? |
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Post by stinger on Jun 12, 2013 16:34:45 GMT -5
I am not 100% sure. All I can say is, based on what I know, I found one of his claimed actions in particular very unlikely. There is still a chance he is telling the truth, but I don't believe that to be the case. You're certain you can't even reveal the smallest thing that might be acceptable from Notorious? I really can't go beyond what I've already said because it deals with my previous character and role. I'm really sorry. I wish I could. It would make me a lot more credible. I understand that. Blame the Mafia janitor for cleaning up the circumstances surrounding my death. |
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Jonathan Michaels
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jun 12, 2013 17:14:45 GMT -5
Okay, now we have a genuine problem.
Because while Stinger is DEAD WRONG about me, what are the odds he's scum?
I have already showed you all clear evidence that multiple scum have attempted to frame me.
What are the odds that THREE scum are doing it?
Why would he still be going after me unless he GENUINELY believes I am scum.
So here's what I need from you, Stinger, if you can't tell us why you're so weirdly sure I'm scum, can you tell us if anyone who is still in this game has assisted in giving you this information, because someone may have given you false information.
Either you are a VERY desperate scum clinging to your story at all costs, or you have been sorely deceived.
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 12, 2013 18:15:53 GMT -5
To me, the only thing that keeps me from being 100 percent sure Stinger is mafia is that the janitor cleaned out whatever information Stinger may have. The mafia had to have had a reason for going after Stinger and cleaning it out. Do you guys think maybe the mafia somehow knew that Stinger had some sort of power role and that's why they did that? I don't think they would waste that role going after a vanilla townie, would they?
Maybe the framer may have had something to do with Stinger suspecting Jono depending on his role.
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MrBRulzOK
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jun 12, 2013 18:34:48 GMT -5
Actually you make a solid point there, AH. There's a possibility this whole thing is a giant distraction. Someone could have framed Jono and Stinger could have investigated him at some point.
But then again that would imply there are two cops in this game, three counting the possible Jack of all Trades. That seems like too many.
I suppose it's possible that Stinger had the role of a Tracker, which I believe Notorious mentioned at some point awhile back. Seeing that we've had framers and janitors thus far that might explain the inconsistency.
Jono was framed by the Mafia the same night Stinger happened to track him.
That would explain them both being town, or at least not scum, in actuality. Which if that's the case then we've been wasting our time.
And there's been one guy sitting back and enjoying the show this whole time. A guy who hasn't made a peep.
Vote: "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz
He hasn't said a thing all day. Maybe this will get him to open up again.
While I agree that his voting record may make him look like a townie, I've played that side of the coin before. And I never hesitated to vote for my fellow scum if it came down to it. Chances are Magiconz has been playing the same way. And while I'm willing to be flexible on this vote, unless I hear from Magiconz before the deadline and hear a good defense from the guy my vote stays where it is.
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Post by stinger on Jun 12, 2013 18:36:07 GMT -5
Okay, now we have a genuine problem. Because while Stinger is DEAD WRONG about me, what are the odds he's scum? I have already showed you all clear evidence that multiple scum have attempted to frame me. What are the odds that THREE scum are doing it? Why would he still be going after me unless he GENUINELY believes I am scum. So here's what I need from you, Stinger, if you can't tell us why you're so weirdly sure I'm scum, can you tell us if anyone who is still in this game has assisted in giving you this information, because someone may have given you false information. Either you are a VERY desperate scum clinging to your story at all costs, or you have been sorely deceived. No one has fed me any information. I came to this conclusion on my own. As I said, it's certainly possible I'm wrong. But you're the best option I see at this point. I'm sure if somehow you do get lynched, which I don't see happening, and you flip Town, that I'll have drawn a huge target on my back. I'm prepared to accept that. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 12, 2013 18:36:31 GMT -5
Orange: Have you read through the thread and made any thoughts yet? Magic knows Black Lives Matter: What do you make of all the cases and theories presented throughout this day phase?
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Jonathan Michaels
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jun 12, 2013 18:43:38 GMT -5
Well, I'm prepared to do this.
Unvote
Vote : Magiconz
Stinger and Spartan are free to join me.
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on Jun 12, 2013 19:03:04 GMT -5
Looking at his voting history, Magiconz didn't vote on Day 1, fifth to vote on Day 2 for BRB, 8th on Day 3, 9th on Day 4, 7th on Day 5 , 3rd on Day 6 and did not vote on Day 8. The only time he did not vote for mafia or Joker was on Day 1. However, he did vote for Yami when he was lynched.
There is however, one person who this entire game who has note cast a vote on any day phase and that person is Stinger. Both his predecessor as well as himself. I realize that there may have been some RL issues at times but that is a significant period to not cast a vote at all and really has my suspicion raised.
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TOO SWEET
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Post by TOO SWEET on Jun 12, 2013 19:04:52 GMT -5
Unvote.
There's something weird that happened between Jono and Stinger, but I'm willing to chalk it up to both of them being townie for now. There may be some outside variables that could've screwed up whatever it is Stinger is talking about, and Jono made a very convincing case that it just doesn't make sense how much the confirmed mafia members attempted to undercut his claim (which makes no sense if Jono was aligned with them).
Still waiting for a Magiconz response to my/AH's question, so I want to give him a brief chance to respond.
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