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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 12, 2013 8:37:51 GMT -5
Storm being African is central to her character. she's one you definitely couldn't get away with whitewashing.
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Post by Piccolo on May 12, 2013 8:43:43 GMT -5
Sometimes a character's race is part of who they are. I don't think it's always the case, though. Like others have said, minority-race characters are frequently defined by their race, so casting a white actor and claiming a certain ethnicity that that actor doesn't share, or casting a white actor and erasing the character's racial history, is either detrimental to the character's believability or is detrimental to authenticity. However, a large number of white characters aren't defined by being white. Their origin stories are limited to "born in America to so and so, had a hard-knock life/was a circus performer/whatever", and don't make use of their ethnicity whatsoever. White is just basically used as a default color rather than an aspect of their identity. In those cases, I don't think it's a problem at all to open the casting to all races. If someone's story would be one hundred percent identical no matter what race they were, may the best actor win. ETA: Oops, The Absurdist already said what I was going to say, and better. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on May 12, 2013 9:41:03 GMT -5
Awful, awful awful article.
Would the same people defending the decision to make Johnny Storm black defend a decision to make an Asian character like Jubilee white or a black character like Storm white? Would the same people okay with this (like the knob who wrote the article) be feel the same if Storm from the X-Men movies was played by Uma Thurman rather than Halle Berry? It's the same thing.
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Post by Piccolo on May 12, 2013 9:49:23 GMT -5
Awful, awful awful article. Would the same people defending the decision to make Johnny Storm black defend a decision to make an Asian character like Jubilee white or a black character like Storm white? Would the same people okay with this (like the knob who wrote the article) be feel the same if Storm from the X-Men movies was played by Uma Thurman rather than Halle Berry? It's the same thing. What's hard to understand about Storm's ethnicity being intimately tied to her character, if you don't mind giving a little more detail? It seems really obvious to me that there's a huge, glaring difference between the two, so I'm curious where it's breaking down for you.
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Post by Red Impact on May 12, 2013 9:50:04 GMT -5
Awful, awful awful article. Would the same people defending the decision to make Johnny Storm black defend a decision to make an Asian character like Jubilee white or a black character like Storm white? Would the same people okay with this (like the knob who wrote the article) be feel the same if Storm from the X-Men movies was played by Uma Thurman rather than Halle Berry? It's the same thing. Did any of these people object to the Hispanic Bane being played by the British Tom Hardy? If not, I think you've got your answer. And Jubilee is definitely a character I could see being changed with few to no complaints. Her defining traits are being a teenager and having a creepy infatuation with Wolverine. Storm is different, Black Panther and Luke Cage would be different. Cyborg you could do.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 13:38:24 GMT -5
As long they never change Logan being a Canadian from Alberta I'm fine with any other change ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Big DSR Energy on May 12, 2013 13:46:17 GMT -5
Storm being African is central to her character. she's one you definitely couldn't get away with whitewashing. What if they cast South African actress Charlize Theron? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 15:04:58 GMT -5
Storm being African is central to her character. she's one you definitely couldn't get away with whitewashing. What if they cast South African actress Charlize Theron? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Let's make this happen.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on May 12, 2013 16:07:43 GMT -5
As long they never change Logan being a Canadian from Alberta I'm fine with any other change ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) But if they ever make him to be from Quebec, rioting might be our moral obligation.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on May 12, 2013 17:26:10 GMT -5
Awful, awful awful article. Would the same people defending the decision to make Johnny Storm black defend a decision to make an Asian character like Jubilee white or a black character like Storm white? Would the same people okay with this (like the knob who wrote the article) be feel the same if Storm from the X-Men movies was played by Uma Thurman rather than Halle Berry? It's the same thing. Did any of these people object to the Hispanic Bane being played by the British Tom Hardy? If not, I think you've got your answer. And Jubilee is definitely a character I could see being changed with few to no complaints. Her defining traits are being a teenager and having a creepy infatuation with Wolverine. Storm is different, Black Panther and Luke Cage would be different. Cyborg you could do. As an Asian, I'd have a big problem with that. There's very little Asian representation in superhero comics to begin with and for a pretty well known Asian character to be defined as simply "teenager" is annoying.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 12, 2013 19:13:57 GMT -5
Storm being African is central to her character. she's one you definitely couldn't get away with whitewashing. What if they cast South African actress Charlize Theron? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) she's Kenyan. they worshipped her as a weather goddess of the Serenghetti. plus, once again, Storm being an african woman with bone-white hair is far too iconic for anyone to take a white person playing her seriously.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 12, 2013 19:14:19 GMT -5
Awful, awful awful article. Would the same people defending the decision to make Johnny Storm black defend a decision to make an Asian character like Jubilee white or a black character like Storm white? Would the same people okay with this (like the knob who wrote the article) be feel the same if Storm from the X-Men movies was played by Uma Thurman rather than Halle Berry? It's the same thing. This has been answered multiple times in this thread. If you disagree with any arguments presented on that matter, then address the points that have already been made, and stop having people answer them again and again. Only warning to anybody who posts in this thread: READ THE ENTIRE THREAD BEFORE POSTING. Threads like these are a conversation; participation involves reading and digesting what others have to say.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 12, 2013 19:15:40 GMT -5
As long they never change Logan being a Canadian from Alberta I'm fine with any other change ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) didn't the jerkoffs who wrote the first Wolverine movie try to imply he was American? yet another reason for them to be patronized for their idiocy.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 12, 2013 20:22:07 GMT -5
Did any of these people object to the Hispanic Bane being played by the British Tom Hardy? If not, I think you've got your answer. And Jubilee is definitely a character I could see being changed with few to no complaints. Her defining traits are being a teenager and having a creepy infatuation with Wolverine. Storm is different, Black Panther and Luke Cage would be different. Cyborg you could do. As an Asian, I'd have a big problem with that. There's very little Asian representation in superhero comics to begin with and for a pretty well known Asian character to be defined as simply "teenager" is annoying. She's one of the cases where I'll kind of agree. It seems like a large part of the point of here was to be a character of Chinese heritage who didn't have to conform to all of the old Chinese stereotypes. So while in effect it looks like being Chinese isn't a large part of her character, you lose the idea of "Even though she's of Chinese heritage, she still isn't going to act any differently then the typical teenager where she lives". The double-edged sword of "it doesn't matter". -The edge that says we shouldn't care, because in personality and attitude she's no different from anyone else. -And the edge that says "we're not being given enough reason to celebrate her heritage" (and therefore are tacitly disrespecting it).
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on May 12, 2013 20:32:12 GMT -5
Awful, awful awful article. Would the same people defending the decision to make Johnny Storm black defend a decision to make an Asian character like Jubilee white or a black character like Storm white? Would the same people okay with this (like the knob who wrote the article) be feel the same if Storm from the X-Men movies was played by Uma Thurman rather than Halle Berry? It's the same thing. Did any of these people object to the Hispanic Bane being played by the British Tom Hardy? If not, I think you've got your answer. Or Spiderman by the British Andrew Garfield? Or Wolverine by the Australian Hugh Jackman? Hell, Magneto wasn't played by a German until First Class, and Doom has yet to be played by an eastern European. I gotta say, if people are gonna be a stickler about sticking to the material, they're gonna have to better than "so long as they're the right complexion" - especially since, in a way, Magneto's not being German is a much bigger gap to the story than Torch being black, given his suffering through the Holocaust is virtually his entire basis for being Magneto!
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Post by Big DSR Energy on May 12, 2013 20:40:19 GMT -5
What if they cast South African actress Charlize Theron? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) she's Kenyan. they worshipped her as a weather goddess of the Serenghetti. plus, once again, Storm being an african woman with bone-white hair is far too iconic for anyone to take a white person playing her seriously. I was kidding. Hence the ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) .
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Post by zeez on May 12, 2013 21:08:30 GMT -5
The way I see it, the real issue isn't latent racism. It's that too many people are clinging on to the comic book interpretations of characters that, theoretically, could have been depicted as any damn race the creators felt like and are being adapted for a movie by filmmakers who never claimed or promised that they were going to base their characters and their universe off of every single insignificant detail contained in the comic books. Yes, it may suck if the depiction of the character on the screen doesn't match up with what you've been accustomed to thanks to the comics, but seriously? It isn't a comic. It's a blockbuster movie. This is a completely different animal we're talking about here. I had a friend who hated the new Spiderman movie because he didn't think The Lizard should have an accent and that ruined things for him. When he said that to me, you know what I said? "Shut the f*** up and just enjoy the movie." Movies are allowed to try different things and I think that's great. I'm capable of separating the film from the comics and liking the film on its own merits and not based on how closely it follows the source material. I wish more people could do that. Unless the movie turns out sucking. If that's the case, then shit away. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I know it wasn't the best example but I still feel it's as trivial as arguing over someone's race when comic characters change all the time anyway. I know that we as a people tend to resist change but maybe it's a good thing every know and then, assuming of course that the movie studio is actually interested in promoting diversity and creating a new interpretation and not just in trying to get more black people to buy tickets to see the film.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 12, 2013 21:11:54 GMT -5
she's Kenyan. they worshipped her as a weather goddess of the Serenghetti. plus, once again, Storm being an african woman with bone-white hair is far too iconic for anyone to take a white person playing her seriously. I was kidding. Hence the ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) . aah yeah I don't know how I missed that. just from the tone of the thread I figured it was something some people were serious about.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 12, 2013 21:13:24 GMT -5
Did any of these people object to the Hispanic Bane being played by the British Tom Hardy? If not, I think you've got your answer. Or Spiderman by the British Andrew Garfield? Or Wolverine by the Australian Hugh Jackman? Hell, Magneto wasn't played by a German until First Class, and Doom has yet to be played by an eastern European. I gotta say, if people are gonna be a stickler about sticking to the material, they're gonna have to better than "so long as they're the right complexion" - especially since, in a way, Magneto's not being German is a much bigger gap to the story than Torch being black, given his suffering through the Holocaust is virtually his entire basis for being Magneto! and yet I always read Magneto with Ian McKellen's voice anyway.
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Post by Jiren on May 12, 2013 21:15:49 GMT -5
I think one of the bigger moments of this sort of thing is Moneypenny in Skyfall.
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