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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 4, 2015 20:55:04 GMT -5
I thought it was easily the worst thing about the movie. It came out of nowhere and the writing of it was stilted and weird. "They're both f***ed mentally! They should be in love I guess!" And there's also the fact they work together and often have to protect one another, and are apparently good friends off the field. I think the acting helped a lot, but there was way more to their connection than them just both being misfits (like everyone else on the team, to be fair). But we never got much more than that. It's like we came into their relationship halfway through. They interacted in like two scenes in the original Avengers and nothing was really implied there either. This is a thing now. Care about it. They did stuff while you weren't looking. I know they live their lives when the movies aren't happening but christ. There are two movies a year and a TV show. You could drop a hint or set anything up somewhere!
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 4, 2015 20:58:23 GMT -5
And there's also the fact they work together and often have to protect one another, and are apparently good friends off the field. I think the acting helped a lot, but there was way more to their connection than them just both being misfits (like everyone else on the team, to be fair). But we never got much more than that. It's like we came into their relationship halfway through. They interacted in like two scenes in the original Avengers and nothing was really implied there either. This is a thing now. Care about it. They did stuff while you weren't looking. I know they live their lives when the movies aren't happening but christ. There are two movies a year and a TV show. You could drop a hint or set anything up somewhere! As a standalone movie I was fine with what I got from them. I don't see it as a grand and profound love for the ages, they just had a strong connection and it added some heart to the movie.
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Post by Savage Gambino on May 4, 2015 20:58:42 GMT -5
It was very fun, but it is one of those movies where the more it sinks in, the more you think about how great it could have been instead of how good it was. Also, Age of Ultron? More like Ultron and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Couple of Days To be fair, I think the first Captain America and the Iron Man trilogy are the only movies in the MCU that take place over more than a week. Like, in perspective, Winter Soldier takes place really quickly going from the raid on the Lemurian Star to the fall of the Triskelion over the course of about three days. Now that I think about it, Avengers probably takes course over about 2-3 days.
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 4, 2015 22:43:22 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Tony's motivation throughout the film is that he doesn't want to continue being Iron Man but he can't quite fully step away until he's found a way to make himself (and the Avengers) completely obsolete. He's got Jarvis running the Iron Legion, and Cap running the day-to-day Avengering, so one can assume that the missions to retrieve Loki's sceptre have been the only times he's suited up since the events of IM3. Of course, having some of this addressed would have helped but I imagine it'll appear in the extended cut. Also: Considering the plot point of them conducting several HYDRA raids looking for the Mind Gem/Loki's scepter, I think it's reasonable to assume he was pulled back into action by the fall of SHIELD and the return of HYDRA. {Spoiler}Theres no way in hell Tony Stark wasn't suiting up to whip some Hydra ass after Zola revealed to Cap that they were responsible for the deaths of his parents.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 5, 2015 1:04:11 GMT -5
Maaaaan, I don't know if I should be going to see this or not. Main reasons I'm considering it - loved Avengers, haven't been to the movies since Man of Steel. Main reasons I'm not - have basically lost all interest in Marvel's current projects, none of their future ones interest me, I pretty much know by necessity of Civil War being next this one's going to have a lot of in-fighting and bitching from all sides and I hate the concept of Civil War to begin with so watching it be set up would for sure annoy me, I'm finding myself actively dreading actually going to the theater to see it, I refuse to ever pay to see a multi-part movie so I wouldn't be going to see Avengers 3 regardless of my opinion on this one. To be fair I wasn't expecting much out of the first Avengers either and was pleasantly surprised, which is why I'm considering going ahead with things, but in this case, regardless of how the quality of the movie is I'm not seeing anything coming after it so I don't know if I should even bother. There was an Age of Ultron comic, this movie had nothing to do with that, so Civil War may be very different from what we expect.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 5, 2015 3:12:28 GMT -5
Whew, just got all caught up with the thread.
Just going to touch on one thing: the romance. It was fine. It was set up at the start with some flirting done by a damaged woman and a emotionally stunted nerdlinger. Nat's past makes it so she doesn't make connections for romance, when she does flirt with guys she goes for those who are unavailable in some way. Hawkeye is married, Steve is a man who has no idea how he fits in the world(and she is trying to hook him up with other women anyway), and Banner is, well, Banner, the least available of all. She goes after him because she can't have him. He responds in an awkward as hell way to all of it, and then abandons her, proving her instinct right.
She never has to be hurt if she chooses those who she cannot connect with. My ex-boss was the same way, she pretty much exclusively romanced men who had terminal illnesses.
So yeah, I am fine with it. it wasn't like they were a couple, they flirted, and that was about it.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 5, 2015 8:06:19 GMT -5
Maaaaan, I don't know if I should be going to see this or not. Main reasons I'm considering it - loved Avengers, haven't been to the movies since Man of Steel. Main reasons I'm not - have basically lost all interest in Marvel's current projects, none of their future ones interest me, I pretty much know by necessity of Civil War being next this one's going to have a lot of in-fighting and bitching from all sides and I hate the concept of Civil War to begin with so watching it be set up would for sure annoy me, I'm finding myself actively dreading actually going to the theater to see it, I refuse to ever pay to see a multi-part movie so I wouldn't be going to see Avengers 3 regardless of my opinion on this one. To be fair I wasn't expecting much out of the first Avengers either and was pleasantly surprised, which is why I'm considering going ahead with things, but in this case, regardless of how the quality of the movie is I'm not seeing anything coming after it so I don't know if I should even bother. There was an Age of Ultron comic, this movie had nothing to do with that, so Civil War may be very different from what we expect. They just used the title because it sounded cool.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 9:13:04 GMT -5
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 5, 2015 9:29:49 GMT -5
If that guy is even 5% serious, I want to go get my comic collection out of storage and drop it on him like an Acme anvil.
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Post by Savage Gambino on May 5, 2015 13:55:23 GMT -5
There was an Age of Ultron comic, this movie had nothing to do with that, so Civil War may be very different from what we expect. They just used the title because it sounded cool. Age of Ultron is very clearly based on "Ultron Unlimited", just like the main story of Winter Soldier is based more on "Secret Warriors", but Age of Ultron and Winter Soldier were clearly superior titles in those cases.
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Post by wisdomwizard on May 5, 2015 14:04:32 GMT -5
I didn't like the romance myself, because I just didn't think it got enough buildup. What was it about Bruce specifically that drew Natasha to him? I will say I didn't mind Black Widow opening up about her past in the KGB. Too bad the same couldn't be said for certain other people on Twitter that caused Whedon's Twitter to be shut off.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 5, 2015 14:59:20 GMT -5
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 5, 2015 15:02:48 GMT -5
How the hell is such a charming and cute ship bringing out angry activists and MRA morons responding to the activists?
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 5, 2015 15:20:41 GMT -5
I like the idea of Nat and the Hulk sharing a close, platonic kinship, but the romance angle did seem a bit sudden. I'll go into greater detail on that in my review of the film on the main FAN site.
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Post by G✇JI☈A on May 5, 2015 15:50:59 GMT -5
God Dammit. First gamergate and now this.
Hate that these assholes are making people like us look like misogynistic assholes. Always a small group that has to ruin things.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 5, 2015 16:00:22 GMT -5
There was an Age of Ultron comic, this movie had nothing to do with that, so Civil War may be very different from what we expect. They just used the title because it sounded cool. Which is my point about Civil War.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 17:05:51 GMT -5
I love it when they eat their own.
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Post by Lazy peon on May 5, 2015 17:28:32 GMT -5
God Dammit. First gamergate and now this. Hate that these assholes are making people like us look like misogynistic assholes. Always a small group that has to ruin things. How does it make people like us look like misogynistic assholes? The bullies who drove Whedon off were accusing HIM of being misogynistic.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 5, 2015 17:36:27 GMT -5
God Dammit. First gamergate and now this. Hate that these assholes are making people like us look like misogynistic assholes. Always a small group that has to ruin things. How does it make people like us look like misogynistic assholes? The bullies who drove Whedon off were accusing HIM of being misogynistic. Yeah, but then a bunch of people started going off on the people who just happened to be going off on Whedon, trying to push some "oh, this is what all feminists are like!" bullshit. And then it just de-evolved from there. The whole thing is just making me a bigger Hulk/Widow supporter, just out of spite.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 19:44:53 GMT -5
Sometimes the only one you can trust is yourself.![](http://cdn.tss.uproxx.com/TSS/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ixgBnY7iZe4jb.gif) On the movie: Personally I loved it. I also think my perspective on it is different than the average person. A lot of people tend to compare the MCU movies to what happens in the comics and debate on how close it got to certain things or how it deviated too far, but I look at the movies not only as stand alone "Story-Archs/Issues/Trade Paper back in motion" but something akin to the Ultimate Universe where it's yet another realm where origins of characters and the characters themselves are presented differently. I think it's a bit silly to say "It should have been like this" or "If character x or storyline y were more like how they were presented in book z" because this is yet another place to explore. Now I'm not justifying going insane and completely eradicating the fundamentals of how characters are but having different interpretations of certain events in regards of who did what is okay in my book. I'm super pumped for what's to come and will collapse in the theater during Avengers: Infinity War Parts 1&2 due to the sheer joy of seeing Thanos/Infinity Gauntlet in a live action setting. On the romance: I don't understand why a lot of people have a huge issue with this. It's been established that Natasha has a problem trusting people completely. Clint may be one of the few people, but even then she doesn't open up all the way. It's also established that due to her training she has a certain control over conversations and that control gives her comfort. If there is information she wants she knows how to get it and it's not malicious manipulation, she just knows how to navigate dialogue to get what she wants out of it. If you take a look at her conversations with the rest of the team it is on display. With two exceptions. 1. Cap. She tries to do this with Cap in Winter Solider but quickly finds she doesn't need to. Cap is open and honest from the start and doesn't hide a thing. He also understands the nature of a mission and for that reason their conversation is best described as efficient. 2. Hulk/Banner The Hulk is only person that she has no form of control over. And it's because of that until Age of Ultron Hulk has terrified her. She didn't have a comfort zone. She didn't have a solution she could fall back on. I think part of her liked that. She also saw Banners pain through his loss of control which she could identify with. She also was the one sent to recruit him. In Age of Ultron she even {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}asks Fury if he intentionally sent her to recruit him. To which he subtlety alluded that he did.
I think Fury at the very least knew her training had scarred her in some fashion and that there were things she couldn't do because of it. Even around people she does trust on some level she still feels like she's different. Banner is the same way he can't control the Hulk, that scares him, and because of that he can't do typical things like like have a family. He feels like an outsider as much as she does. I'd like to think Fury recognized that and at the very least thought maybe they could help each other through that.
Also, when it comes to love. Sometimes it just happens. There isn't a muddy backstory to it, you just fall for someone. I feel that a lot of people forget about that when they talk about this aspect of AOU. I really enjoyed the romance and I hope it grows from here. On building up Civil War: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}In my opinion it did that quite well. From Stark's future vision, to Ultron embodying the worst parts of Stark's psyche.
Having Thor confront Stark for what he did. Having Cap question Stark's motivation and loyalty. Eventually this will push Stark to a place where he believes his friends no longer think he can do anything beneficial. I think it will be for that reason he throws his vote into the registration act. On Whedon: I took a look at that twitter collage of the comments he was receiving and the comments that weren't "IM GONA KILL U" or "U RUINED MARVEL U SUK" where accusing him of being sexist/misogynistic in regards to Scarlet Witch and Black Widow. What's interesting is that he is a self-proclaimed feminist and was very open about being buddy-buddy with Anita Sarkeesian other like-minded individuals. Which considering what he is being accused of is strange since they are very things his associates accuse others of doing all to often. Here's the accusations I've heard: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}-Black Widow was reduced to a damsel in distress. ( I disagree with that because even when Banner broke her out of the cell and suggesting running away together she still put the mission first. She always puts the mission first, even before love. Hence which she shoved him down the hole saying she needed the big guy right now. So even if freed herself due to the above she still would have waited for the rest of the team to arrive so they take down Ultron together )
- Captain America had a line in which he said "We must rescue Black Widow"
( Personally I don't agree with that because Cap never said she could't free herself. He showed concerned for her safety as a friend and wanted to help her for THAT reason )
- Iron Man had a line during the "Lift Mjolnir" scene in which he jokingly exclaimed that if he becomes King of Asgard he would re-instate ( don't remember the exact term) the concept of the King having sex with someones wife before her and her fiance get married.
(This is silly to take out of context because they are all ribbing each other as friends [ Hawkeye coming up short and not being able to lift it up anyone? ] and even though it was a very Stark-Like thing to say, he didn't actually mean it. ) So it comes across as Joss being thrown to the wolves by the very people he associates with. So if he is a feminist why would he put things in that by his own admission he would find inappropriate? That's as far as I will go so I don't break the rules.
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