mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Jul 10, 2013 21:22:29 GMT -5
Why don't we have him collect Hummel figurines as well? I mean the comic books don't specifically mention that it's vital that he doesn't collect them, so why can't we shoehorn that somewhere into the movie?
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jul 10, 2013 21:27:38 GMT -5
I'm...a bit surprised we're automatically going into the same discussion usually had with our "gay wrestler" threads. It's obvious he means this as a joke comment, you can tell by the tone of the interview he's trying to mess with people.
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Post by 543Y2J on Jul 10, 2013 21:28:35 GMT -5
.....but would he be serious gay or just gay?
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 10, 2013 21:32:03 GMT -5
.....but would he be serious gay or just gay? Actually a gay Sirius:
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Post by slappy on Jul 10, 2013 21:33:22 GMT -5
I'm gay and I think it'd be terrible to make a character who isn't gay gay just for the sake of trying to make a statement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 21:35:17 GMT -5
This confirms Andrew Garfield is a member of FAN and trying to steal our serious gay wrestler obsession!!!! What's next Drax getting angry by a basketball? The Rock playing a character named Rick in one of his movies? A random comedy where one of the jokes is that his neighbors above him are having sex to loudly while he's trying to play Mario?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 22:08:52 GMT -5
I have no problem with gay comic book characters, or gay anythings, really; I do have a problem with trying to make a character something that they never were before without good reason. You can't just twist around an established character trait into something it's clearly not. That's the epitome of lazy writing. I think you just explained what I've had trouble putting into words for years. Why change something about a character just for the sake of changing it? Why not create a new, well-written superhero who just happens to be gay? Why just slap that trait on Spider-man, when that's not who he is and could easily just be another character?
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Post by Goldenbane on Jul 10, 2013 22:10:33 GMT -5
I'm gay and I think it'd be terrible to make a character who isn't gay gay just for the sake of trying to make a statement. Thank you for saying that. I hate it when these comic books do this to characters. Or, if they actually do get off their lazy butts and create a unique gay character, that character is either the stereotype to the extreme, or is constantly ogling his/her lovers in front of others (like the new version of Allen Scott in front of his employees). I love my new girlfriend very much, but I wouldn't feel comfortable jamming my tongue down her throat for all my co-workers to see...I have this feeling this is true for the vast majority of homosexual people too. Comic book guys, make a character who happens to be homosexual, not homosexuality the whole character. What problems does the homosexual character deal with besides the very tired and worn out prejudice storyline stuff? Don't know if that makes sense or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 22:12:09 GMT -5
Getting a little sick and tired of this "let's make every character gay or black" craze. Why? Just so we can say it happened? I can understand if it makes sense for the character or story, but it just seems forced.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 10, 2013 22:16:59 GMT -5
I'm...a bit surprised we're automatically going into the same discussion usually had with our "gay wrestler" threads. It's obvious he means this as a joke comment, you can tell by the tone of the interview he's trying to mess with people. Well, like in the article, if hes also making the same wishes to the director, then its not exactly just messing with people who watch the films. Also, if it is to troll people, to what end?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 22:19:38 GMT -5
It's better than making him Dr. Octopus.
That being said, probably the only decently-written, them being gay is entirely incidental character I can think of in comics is Renee Montoya.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 10, 2013 22:20:27 GMT -5
It's better than making him Dr. Octopus. Okey-Dokey.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jul 10, 2013 22:21:45 GMT -5
Criticisms about changing comic book characters for me always end up amounting to, 'well, because'. If Spider-Man for the next ten years was written to be a gay character, then that will likely be the most immediate prism through which to consider the character, decades of character history be damned. People who say 'well, that's not what the character is supposed to be!' better fess up then when there are versions of characters (say, Silver Age Superman with his dickery) that they aren't fans of. You can't say, 'oh, don't willy nilly change the character' out of one side of your mouth and then completely retcon the inconvenient history of superhero characters out of the other side of your mouth just because you happen to like it more, one over the other. At the very least, be consistent with your argumentation about these completely immutable fictional characters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 22:22:10 GMT -5
It's better than making him Dr. Octopus. Okey-Dokey. I take it you haven't heard about the Superior Spider-Man?
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Post by mizerable on Jul 10, 2013 22:22:28 GMT -5
Getting a little sick and tired of this "let's make every character gay or black" craze. Why? Just so we can say it happened? I can understand if it makes sense for the character or story, but it just seems forced. At the absolute end of things, it's basically the writers who want to have those characters, so the writers don't look like they're not writing for the contemporary world. And that's fine! But, they purposely change established characters, as opposed to creating news ones. Not because they can't create new ones, but they fear their own readers won't accept them. That's what it comes down to. So, they operate for an easy medium, by changing characters we already have an idea of who they are and what they look like. And who's going to argue with them? That would make the person who "fears change" as some kind of a simpleton. And their argument will almost always be, "well, it was never essential that our character was this or that", so we took them in a different direction. But at the end of the day, the writers don't trust their own readers with new characters who they could easily write for. The writers are spineless and smug who try to offer progression, but not at the expense of losing sales.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 10, 2013 22:31:32 GMT -5
Peter Parker should be bitten by a gay radioactive spider, make it completely absurd. in Sleeper (amazing comic btw) Ed Brubaker made a parody of Spider-man's origin story where a girl becomes an energy vampire who can only feed on gay men after being bitten by a radioactive gay kid who looks exactly like Peter Parker. as for the question, well, assuming Garfield isn't just trolling, Peter Parker isn't gay. that's why. he's always been interested in women and women only. it's intrinsic to his character. there are plenty of great gay superheroes running around already. instead of someone thinking they're being intelligent or transgressive or whatever they're going for by forcing a straight character into a gay role, why not do a movie about one of them instead? and yeah, I know a disproportionately large segment of the more famous superheroes are straight white guys, but that's because they were all written bacck when the only characters who could get a book were straight white guys. and all of them have over 60+ years of being what they are, so too force them out of that and be something different now is silly. the only reason it worked when they made Alan Scott gay in the Earth 2 book was because it was a blatantly different character than the one before. he just happened to be a blonde guy with the same name and powers.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 10, 2013 22:33:55 GMT -5
No one would take it seriously and readers would inevitably wait for the status quo to return to normal, like Captain America's death or Brother Voodoo becoming sorcerer supreme. Change for changes sake is poor writing/story telling not to mention the 60 years of comic book history showing a string of women's Spidey's taken to bed (Could do Bi but gay nope). Nothing worse than breaking comic book continuity in the eyes of the fans. Now an alternative universe Spidey or clone sure that could work. But if we need an awesome gay superhero Midnighter is the way to go. Midnighter and Apollo are my boys. part of the reason I gave the new 52 a chance in the first place was because they had a role in it. the world needs more ultraviolent Superman and Batman pastiches who happen to be a loving gay couple.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 10, 2013 22:36:25 GMT -5
No one would take it seriously and readers would inevitably wait for the status quo to return to normal, like Captain America's death or Brother Voodoo becoming sorcerer supreme. Change for changes sake is poor writing/story telling not to mention the 60 years of comic book history showing a string of women's Spidey's taken to bed (Could do Bi but gay nope). Nothing worse than breaking comic book continuity in the eyes of the fans. Now an alternative universe Spidey or clone sure that could work. But if we need an awesome gay superhero Midnighter is the way to go. It's not all about the readers though. The films were a success because average people enjoyed them. There are people like myself who have never read a Spider-Man comic in their life and aren't bothered by continuity. even so, there's still no money in it. even a casual person (with rare exception) would have difficulty taking a Spider-man movie where the character wasn't Peter Parker seriously. it's not like Spider-man is some barely known character you can do whatever with.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jul 10, 2013 22:39:43 GMT -5
My Take: I've been a fan of Spider-Man for years. Ever since I was a kid, so I think I'm qualified to speak. I don't think the character should be gay due to the fact it isn't really the character. But....I think him exploring it, as that tends to be an aspect of the teenager years (sexual exploration) and Peter is supposed to be an embodiment of a teen, wouldn't be a bad idea and would fit well with what a modern teenager is. I never usually like Gender, Race or Sexuality changes, but it could work. I wouldn't make him gay completely, just sexually curious.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 10, 2013 22:40:24 GMT -5
I take it you haven't heard about the Superior Spider-Man? Oh. Thought you meant the bad script James Cameon wrote for a Spider-Man movie. Forgot about the comic story.
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