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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Jul 27, 2013 10:35:27 GMT -5
It's not bias to claim his "my friend wrote it" arguement is totally nonsensical. It's also nonsensical for him to thank TNA wrestling and Dixie for his time there, then go on a messed up tirade which made no sense, then to shut down the donations thing so everything that had been donated he would not then receive, before apologizing for the confusion and thanking TNA again. The guys friend is probably a fan of his as well and went off on one, it could have been a family member, it could have been anyone but for it to be Jesse himself? That makes no sense, he would have been P.Oed right off the bat.
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Post by CrazySting on Jul 27, 2013 10:42:45 GMT -5
It's not bias to claim his "my friend wrote it" arguement is totally nonsensical. It's also nonsensical for him to thank TNA wrestling and Dixie for his time there, then go on a messed up tirade which made no sense, then to shut down the donations thing so everything that had been donated he would not then receive, before apologizing for the confusion and thanking TNA again. The guys friend is probably a fan of his as well and went off on one, it could have been a family member, it could have been anyone but for it to be Jesse himself? That makes no sense, he would have been P.Oed right off the bat. Yeah, but things like a decent severance deal might still be in play. Not sure if he's got medical bills left to pay either. There's are a few reasons he might want to stay on TNA's good side. And, again, any fan/family member pretending to be Jesse and setting up a blog is A CRIME. It really does sound like he lashed out, realized how dumb that was considering he may still me owed money and then said someone else was to blame for the fundraiser.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 27, 2013 10:44:09 GMT -5
Dude, people commit fraud on the internet all the time. "Being dumb" isn't really an argument against doing something stupid.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Jul 27, 2013 10:49:26 GMT -5
It's also nonsensical for him to thank TNA wrestling and Dixie for his time there, then go on a messed up tirade which made no sense, then to shut down the donations thing so everything that had been donated he would not then receive, before apologizing for the confusion and thanking TNA again. The guys friend is probably a fan of his as well and went off on one, it could have been a family member, it could have been anyone but for it to be Jesse himself? That makes no sense, he would have been P.Oed right off the bat. Yeah, but things like a decent severance deal might still be in play. Not sure if he's got medical bills left to pay either. There's are a few reasons he might want to stay on TNA's good side. And, again, any fan/family member pretending to be Jesse and setting up a blog is A CRIME. It really does sound like he lashed out, realized how dumb that was considering he may still me owed money and then said someone else was to blame for the fundraiser. People pretend to be other people on the internet all the time. Seriously arguments like these are why so many threads in this section are getting locked these days and it's pissing me off. I'm walking away, believe what you will however I just ask you stop projecting all over the place. I could make a fake twitter, facebook or anything else in a second and many people do make fake accounts ALL THE TIME...yes it's stupid but it happens. Deal with it.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 27, 2013 15:00:30 GMT -5
Honestly, if Jesse wanted to wrestle again and for various reasons TNA wouldn't let that happen (and sounds like those reasons are justifiable) then it is for the best.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 27, 2013 15:20:57 GMT -5
I personally don't care how well reasoned their explanation is, a douche move is a douche move. You give a corporation enough time, they can reason anything out that affects a person and his loved ones. The guy almost killed himself to make himself and the company some money. If they said he has a job for life, he has a job for life. That's probably the reason I'd never run a business, and I'm thankful for that.
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Post by percymania on Jul 27, 2013 15:27:45 GMT -5
In my eyes, TNA did nothing wrong here. They went above and beyond to help this guy out through his recovery then ultimately decided he wasn't worth the risk of bringing back when he was finally ready to return. Jesse hadn't done anything to be entitled a role back on TV, sorry fans. Though he would have been a feel good story, this move sounds like it may be for the best.
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Post by CrazySting on Jul 27, 2013 16:47:13 GMT -5
In my eyes, TNA did nothing wrong here. They went above and beyond to help this guy out through his recovery then ultimately decided he wasn't worth the risk of bringing back when he was finally ready to return. Jesse hadn't done anything to be entitled a role back on TV, sorry fans. Though he would have been a feel good story, this move sounds like it may be for the best. "Above and beyond" is a bit of an exaggeration. Yes: they supported him when he couldn't work due to his injury, but that happened when he was working for them. That's what virtually any business would do if someone almost got killed on their watch and was incapacitated for a while. And he's been working in the office since March, I believe, so they essentially gave him a job for just 4 months. In all honestly: they did treat him better than I would have thought they would, but I'm not blown away or anything. As for what TNA owes Jesse, as I mentioned it would have been very easy for him to sue them or publicly badmouth the company. Why didn't they stop the match right away? Was dragging an entire camera crew in to film him and his crying mom while he was in hospital that good an idea? Why didn't a road agent tell Ion how stupid that spot was? TNA ain't blameless here.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Jul 27, 2013 16:58:41 GMT -5
In my eyes, TNA did nothing wrong here. They went above and beyond to help this guy out through his recovery then ultimately decided he wasn't worth the risk of bringing back when he was finally ready to return. Jesse hadn't done anything to be entitled a role back on TV, sorry fans. Though he would have been a feel good story, this move sounds like it may be for the best. "Above and beyond" is a bit of an exaggeration. Yes: they supported him when he couldn't work due to his injury, but that happened when he was working for them. That's what virtually any business would do if someone almost got killed on their watch and was incapacitated for a while. And he's been working in the office since March, I believe, so they essentially gave him a job for just 4 months. In all honestly: they did treat him better than I would have thought they would, but I'm not blown away or anything. As for what TNA owes Jesse, as I mentioned it would have been very easy for him to sue them or publicly badmouth the company. Why didn't they stop the match right away? Was dragging an entire camera crew in to film him and his crying mom while he was in hospital that good an idea? Why didn't a road agent tell Ion how stupid that spot was? TNA ain't blameless here. In the here and now? Yes they are blameless. If you want to talk about Road Agents and the hospital spots and all the rest you have to know the ins and outs and if permission was given to air the footage and if the family was compensated etc. and we really don't know that, I expect they were. That blame, if there is any, is in the past. That blame has nothing to do with his release in the here and now. Also as far as the "stopping the match right away", why didn't the WWF stop the match right away when Owen broke Austin's neck? Why didn't ECW stop the match when New Jack cut Mass Transit's freaking head open with a knife? This is the wrestling business and these things happen, you want to point a finger about stopping matches when some bad shit happens? Point the finger of blame square at the industry itself, point the finger of blame at the men in the suits who play it off as if giving in and stopping because you get hurt is a bad thing, that it makes you pathetic. However as of right now, a year later? The blame for that is gone because that's been worked past, it's not even a part of this discussion.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 27, 2013 17:21:34 GMT -5
Why didn't they stop the match right away? Was dragging an entire camera crew in to film him and his crying mom while he was in hospital that good an idea? Why didn't a road agent tell Ion how stupid that spot was? -The match was stopped soon after. You had the ref give the X, and then the agents and paramedics ran in while Ion was in the ring buying time. - An entire camera crew of one guy with a camera? - It wasn't a new and unproven move. It was a moonsault from the corner to the floor, a move nearly every X-division guy has either taken or delivered in their lifetime. The only issue was that Ion didn't move his leg right and ended up crashing down on his neck. Again, did you actually watch the accident? You sure are getting a ton of details about it wrong if you did.
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Post by SOR on Jul 27, 2013 17:31:18 GMT -5
"Above and beyond" is a bit of an exaggeration. Yes: they supported him when he couldn't work due to his injury, but that happened when he was working for them. That's what virtually any business would do if someone almost got killed on their watch and was incapacitated for a while. And he's been working in the office since March, I believe, so they essentially gave him a job for just 4 months. In all honestly: they did treat him better than I would have thought they would, but I'm not blown away or anything. As for what TNA owes Jesse, as I mentioned it would have been very easy for him to sue them or publicly badmouth the company. Why didn't they stop the match right away? Was dragging an entire camera crew in to film him and his crying mom while he was in hospital that good an idea? Why didn't a road agent tell Ion how stupid that spot was? TNA ain't blameless here. In the here and now? Yes they are blameless. If you want to talk about Road Agents and the hospital spots and all the rest you have to know the ins and outs and if permission was given to air the footage and if the family was compensated etc. and we really don't know that, I expect they were. That blame, if there is any, is in the past. That blame has nothing to do with his release in the here and now. Also as far as the "stopping the match right away", why didn't the WWF stop the match right away when Owen broke Austin's neck? Why didn't ECW stop the match when New Jack cut Mass Transit's freaking head open with a knife? This is the wrestling business and these things happen, you want to point a finger about stopping matches when some bad shit happens? Point the finger of blame square at the industry itself, point the finger of blame at the men in the suits who play it off as if giving in and stopping because you get hurt is a bad thing, that it makes you pathetic. However as of right now, a year later? The blame for that is gone because that's been worked past, it's not even a part of this discussion. Here's a biggie. Why did WWE cart off Owen Hart in a stretcher (Where he obviously later died) and just send the next wrestlers out to work their match as if nothing had happened? The ref didn't know how bad the injury was and Sorensen probably didn't either. Ref probably checked on him and Sorensen said "I'm hurt" and that's it. Ref did his thing and finished the match before calling for help from the back which is when they probably had more of an idea of what had happened. It's not like Ion picked Sorensen up, threw him into the ring and hit him with his finish. Crazysting seems to just want to complain for the sake of it but the spot wasn't dumb. It was an accident just like the Owen situation, Just like Sabu breaking his neck, Just like Jannetty breaking the jobbers neck etc etc. It's a physical performance and injuries occur.
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Post by percymania on Jul 27, 2013 19:00:19 GMT -5
I say TNA went "above and beyond" because they did more than they were legally obligated to. It's not like Jesse was an established star with the company, yet took care of him from what I can tell.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 27, 2013 19:16:00 GMT -5
So is Jesse going to return back the money donated since he had nothing to do with the pledge drive?
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Post by SeVeN: #TheBadGuy. on Jul 27, 2013 20:09:43 GMT -5
Dude was fired, so what. That's life.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jul 27, 2013 20:32:16 GMT -5
Misawa died from a belly to back suplex. Just sayin that it's not just high risk moves that may have fatal consequences.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 27, 2013 20:54:04 GMT -5
So is Jesse going to return back the money donated since he had nothing to do with the pledge drive? Did he actually receive anything in the day it was up, though?
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jul 27, 2013 21:04:01 GMT -5
So is Jesse going to return back the money donated since he had nothing to do with the pledge drive? Did he actually receive anything in the day it was up, though? Not sure about that particular site, but most sites refund the money if the project is cancelled.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 27, 2013 21:04:35 GMT -5
So is Jesse going to return back the money donated since he had nothing to do with the pledge drive? Did he actually receive anything in the day it was up, though? He got more than the $600 asking amount.
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Jul 29, 2013 10:56:09 GMT -5
Isn't the gist of the story that Sorenson wants to wrestle and TNA doesn't feel that's a good idea for him or for them? They gave him a nice job while he recovered. A job a large number if people would love to have. He didn't want to be a Production Assistant (no blame here, it's not his passion and it's not a job I'd want if it wasn't my passion). He's recovered (or, at least thinks he has) so he wants to get back to his passion. TNA has no obligation to give him his job back if they don't think he's capable or, worse, if they have reason to believe he couldn't do his job safely and properly.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 29, 2013 11:23:30 GMT -5
Isn't the gist of the story that Sorenson wants to wrestle and TNA doesn't feel that's a good idea for him or for them? They gave him a nice job while he recovered. A job a large number if people would love to have. He didn't want to be a Production Assistant (no blame here, it's not his passion and it's not a job I'd want if it wasn't my passion). He's recovered (or, at least thinks he has) so he wants to get back to his passion. TNA has no obligation to give him his job back if they don't think he's capable or, worse, if they have reason to believe he couldn't do his job safely and properly. Basically yep. Throw in that reportedly Jesse has not been medically cleared to return to the ring (though that could also be a spin job by TNA as damage control). Only reason I see this as negative is Jesse broke his neck in TNA so it leaves a bad taste in their mouthes... well that and some people just look for any reason to bash TNA (that is not a shot at anyone here, but to fans in general). The fact that Jesse personally has nothing bad to say about TNA tells me that it may have been a bit more of an amicable split than a firing.
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