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Post by Beast Army Ass on Aug 12, 2013 23:30:03 GMT -5
Yeah, count me in on cringing as soon as he started mentioning Make a Wish as well. Like...that just needs to be left out of storylines. Do that shit because you want to, not because you want a point to shut your critics down with.
There were some good lines delivered by both, but the general argument is just so...tired. Why criticize Cena as a wrestler at this point, now that he's mowed down everyone under the sun? Focus on something else. Cena was no better (comparing his shirt to the American flag was another "highlight"), focusing on some stupid-ass "don't criticize me because I dress weird and I'm the underdog here" argument that just ends up with him sounding so heelish that I'm surprised anyone sees him as a good guy at this point. Eh, hopefully they have a good match Sunday. Though if DB can't get the job done...oof that is going to look bad with the amount of times they were saying he was a pushover.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 23:57:59 GMT -5
Funny, Bryan actually seemed to get the better of Cena if you ask me.
Cena came off like a huge douche and it is clear that Bryan has gotten under his skin big time.
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Post by -Lithium- on Aug 13, 2013 0:00:21 GMT -5
I thought he cut the same promo he's cut since 2006 when HHH started questioning his ability as a wrestler. The same one does before nearly every PPV...
...and frustratingly, nearly all of those PPV's ending with him holding up the title. The 06-07 days usually had him looking sad as atleast half the crowd boos the successful title defense. Now he makes sure to look happy, even with the same reaction from the audience. I think that'll happen at Summerslam. Keep up the status quo...
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Post by stealthamo on Aug 13, 2013 0:02:24 GMT -5
I only saw a snippet of the promo, so I must have missed the Make-a-Wish stuff. But seriously, how did they screw up this match? Honestly, this should've been built up more in a mutual respect sort of way. You know they can do that right? It could honestly just be Bryan saying that now its his time to lead the way, not the whole "WE NEED A WRESTLER TO BE THE CHAMPION IN WRESTLING!!!" As for Cena, has he really done anything other than his same shtick for the past few years? At this point, I don't even expect anything else from him.
Speaking of this match, I'd add in how stupid it is to have the McMahon family drama into this match, but I hate that in general, and besides, that's a whole other issue completely.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Aug 13, 2013 0:04:28 GMT -5
I think Cena "won" but it was a cheap win. Like, I know I mentioned this in the raw thread but how do you come back from the equivalent of "I FIGHT FOR DYING KIDS IF YOU BEAT ME YOU HATE DYING KIDS" ? I mean if I were wrestling against him I would feel bad for even beating him. Plus it...just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. Felt like exploiting the make a wish kids a bit, it...man I don't even know what I'm saying.
On the plus side, I thought it was hilarious that Cena went SLAP ME and Bryan was like NO YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE SLAPPED!
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Aug 13, 2013 0:17:15 GMT -5
I'll give it to both of them. The promos are intense, but the subject matter is still old. There are certain points that can be left in like Bryan thinking Cena is underestimating him or that it is his dream to hold the title at least once when Cena has lost it a bunch of times so the level of desire can be in question.
The issue of wrestler vs parody (who has beaten "real wrestlers repeatedly") just doesn't hit hard at all. Especially when WWE picks and chooses what parts of history is valid in their arguments. The Make-a-wish stuff and salute the cargo shorts crap was silly because essentially it should apply for the rest of the roster.
This feud could've been about two friends driven to compete by a misunderstanding without all of immediate inclusions of shoehorners. We all know the McMahons and Orton are lingering, but they shouldn't be in the forefront already.
This all still has the Summer of Punk stink to get me as excited as I could be.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 13, 2013 0:17:40 GMT -5
I think Cena "won" but it was a cheap win. Like, I know I mentioned this in the raw thread but how do you come back from the equivalent of "I FIGHT FOR DYING KIDS IF YOU BEAT ME YOU HATE DYING KIDS" ? I mean if I were wrestling against him I would feel bad for even beating him. Plus it...just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. Felt like exploiting the make a wish kids a bit, it...man I don't even know what I'm saying. But...Bryan DOES hate dying kids. And you should feel bad for going against him for that. I may or may not be kidding.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 13, 2013 0:19:32 GMT -5
Said it in the Raw thread but Cena's passion ALMOST got me into this segment. Sadly, the flaws are just too great for me to ignore. No, WWE, no matter what you say, Bryan is every bit of an "entertainer" as Cena is. They f***ed this feud up something fierce.
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Post by ecabney on Aug 13, 2013 0:23:26 GMT -5
Meh. As soon as D-Bry hit Cena with the parody comment, Cena's voice started shaking like a homotional female. He had to resort to exploiting sick kids to save face. Cena lost, brehs
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Aug 13, 2013 0:24:40 GMT -5
I think Cena "won" but it was a cheap win. Like, I know I mentioned this in the raw thread but how do you come back from the equivalent of "I FIGHT FOR DYING KIDS IF YOU BEAT ME YOU HATE DYING KIDS" ? I mean if I were wrestling against him I would feel bad for even beating him. Plus it...just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. Felt like exploiting the make a wish kids a bit, it...man I don't even know what I'm saying. But...Bryan DOES hate dying kids. And you should feel bad for going against him for that. I may or may not be kidding. Oh my God, is Bryan trying to get revenge for that one make a wish kid who made him tap out?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 0:26:16 GMT -5
Also - Cena slapped Bryan first, for basically no reason other than an attempt to force/goad Daniel Bryan to slap him out of respect.
Cena came off as desperate. Bryan came off as looking like he was in control and got one over on Cena.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 13, 2013 0:31:37 GMT -5
Meh. As soon as D-Bry hit Cena with the parody comment, Cena's voice started shaking like a homotional female. He had to resort to exploiting sick kids to save face. Cena lost, brehs Except that Cena took the parody comment and made Bryan look like an dumbass for saying it. That's excluding the Make-A-Wish kid story. Homotional? What the.
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Post by Glitch on Aug 13, 2013 0:37:52 GMT -5
I think Cena "won" but it was a cheap win. Like, I know I mentioned this in the raw thread but how do you come back from the equivalent of "I FIGHT FOR DYING KIDS IF YOU BEAT ME YOU HATE DYING KIDS" ? I mean if I were wrestling against him I would feel bad for even beating him. Plus it...just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. Felt like exploiting the make a wish kids a bit, it...man I don't even know what I'm saying. But...Bryan DOES hate dying kids. And you should feel bad for going against him for that. I may or may not be kidding. As messed up as it would have sounded for Cena to say that, I would have laughed if he did. Then Daniel would have responded :"You bet I hate dying kids! Kids should be strong and running around. Sick kids are feeble and weak...like you!!!"
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Post by ecabney on Aug 13, 2013 0:39:30 GMT -5
Meh. As soon as D-Bry hit Cena with the parody comment, Cena's voice started shaking like a homotional female. He had to resort to exploiting sick kids to save face. Cena lost, brehs Except that Cena took the parody comment and made Bryan look like an dumbass for saying it. That's excluding the Make-A-Wish kid story. Homotional? What the. Cena was feeling some type of way by the end of the segment. Both had questionable material, but that Make a wish stuff and him pandering to the crowd AND Bryan even after Bryan sonned him was a sucka move.
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Post by mizerable on Aug 13, 2013 0:44:39 GMT -5
It feels like they've added this "I don't respect you, you're not a real wrestler" shit to give Cena "something to prove" on Sunday. Which is stupid, the dude's proven himself years ago, and I wish this was just 2 great wrestlers going out and wrestling. Having said that, Cena did do a great job on the mic tonight. Pretty much this. I enjoyed the hell out of Cena's promo and proves to me why he's still probably the best mic guy in the business. I wish Bryan hit on his final point from the beginning as opposed to the "parody" line. And yes, it feels like yet again it may be a set up for Cena to win, and for Bryan to say "I'm wrong, you truly are legit". Nonetheless, at least Cena gave me a reason why HE is now invested in the match. Unfortunately shenanigans or should I say McMahonigans will probably overshadow anything either of these guys had to offer.
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Post by corndog on Aug 13, 2013 1:24:54 GMT -5
Funny, Bryan actually seemed to get the better of Cena if you ask me. Cena came off like a huge douche and it is clear that Bryan has gotten under his skin big time. I think he really did in the end, also looking past the "wrestler" versus "entertainer" thing that has come up in the last few weeks, this promo went back to the original story, "Does Cena believe Bryan can beat him and does he respect him?" Cena's answer was a very strong no and also, nobody points out that the Miz was actually right about everything he was saying to Bryan. I also like how this promo, from both sides, really does a good job building the story of Bryan as the hungry underdog and Cena as the already established top star. I loved the part where Bryan talked about just wanting one title reign and Cena already had 11. The ending however, made Bryan look a bit heelish. The only problem now, is Bryan has to win this match.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 2:05:56 GMT -5
Funny, Bryan actually seemed to get the better of Cena if you ask me. Cena came off like a huge douche and it is clear that Bryan has gotten under his skin big time. I think he really did in the end, also looking past the "wrestler" versus "entertainer" thing that has come up in the last few weeks, this promo went back to the original story, "Does Cena believe Bryan can beat him and does he respect him?" Cena's answer was a very strong no and also, nobody points out that the Miz was actually right about everything he was saying to Bryan. I also like how this promo, from both sides, really does a good job building the story of Bryan as the hungry underdog and Cena as the already established top star. I loved the part where Bryan talked about just wanting one title reign and Cena already had 11. The ending however, made Bryan look a bit heelish. I dunno, Cena slapping Bryan, without real provocation, made Cena look more heelish in my eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 5:13:08 GMT -5
Don't forget the most important part of this segment, guys.
Triple H.
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Post by hossfan on Aug 13, 2013 5:37:29 GMT -5
I think he really did in the end, also looking past the "wrestler" versus "entertainer" thing that has come up in the last few weeks, this promo went back to the original story, "Does Cena believe Bryan can beat him and does he respect him?" Cena's answer was a very strong no and also, nobody points out that the Miz was actually right about everything he was saying to Bryan. I also like how this promo, from both sides, really does a good job building the story of Bryan as the hungry underdog and Cena as the already established top star. I loved the part where Bryan talked about just wanting one title reign and Cena already had 11. The ending however, made Bryan look a bit heelish. I dunno, Cena slapping Bryan, without real provocation, made Cena look more heelish in my eyes. Bryan did provoke Cena into slapping him. He went on about how "real wrestlers" in Japan would slap each other before a big match to show how tough they are, something Cena couldn't do because he's a "parody". He was being a condescending prick and Cena wanted to prove him wrong.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Aug 13, 2013 5:42:06 GMT -5
Both guys are great on the mic in terms of delivery which I guess is all you really need since the crowd responded to them accordingly (Cena in particular).
But for me the content was ridiculous. I'm sick of this recycled "Cena can't wrestle" crap. I don't like the guy but a) he's proven he's more than that and b) even if he was a bad wrestler, within the realms of kayfabe he's held the title so many times that he's one of the all time greats so it makes no sense for somebody to call him out on not being a proper wrestler. It would be like someone calling out Michael Jordan on not being a real basketball player. Ridiculous.
On the other hand Cena's points were bad too. Saying he's beaten the best and everything was fine but then going on about the Make-A-Wish kid seemed really tasteless. I'm glad Cena does stuff like that, it is really something special, but it doesn't need to be incorporated into his promos. It was a cheap shot and got the crowd on his side unfairly (because I mean how do you boo a guy who is helping dying children?) And worst of all he resorted to nationalistic shit about the flag and what is symbolises. I'm not going to go against house rules and get all political but that was the moment that pissed me off most during RAW last night. It was worse than HHH being names special ref.
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