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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 13, 2013 11:01:56 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they we're just setting up the finish of the match. Cena earns his slap and Bryan wins earning Cena's respect. That'd be the weirdest post-match respect showing ever. Bryan slaps Cena, Cena smiles and shakes Bryan's hand.
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Post by corndog on Aug 13, 2013 11:19:33 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they we're just setting up the finish of the match. Cena earns his slap and Bryan wins earning Cena's respect. So I guess what you are saying is another 5-star Cena match? Definitely possible here. The thing is, as I said before Bryan has to win, all Cena has to do is wrestle very well, which we know he is capable of doing.
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Post by chac on Aug 13, 2013 11:51:32 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they we're just setting up the finish of the match. Cena earns his slap and Bryan wins earning Cena's respect. That'd be the weirdest post-match respect showing ever. Bryan slaps Cena, Cena smiles and shakes Bryan's hand. No. They have a stand off Bryan Slaps Cena, Cena Slaps Bryan they both fire up leading into the finish.
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Post by Young Game on Aug 13, 2013 12:43:42 GMT -5
"Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. You talk about all those people like they are so much better than me."
"THEY ARE!"
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 13, 2013 13:22:55 GMT -5
That'd be the weirdest post-match respect showing ever. Bryan slaps Cena, Cena smiles and shakes Bryan's hand. No. They have a stand off Bryan Slaps Cena, Cena Slaps Bryan they both fire up leading into the finish. Oh ok. That's way less weird. Hahaha.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 19:07:21 GMT -5
Funny, Bryan actually seemed to get the better of Cena if you ask me. Cena came off like a huge douche and it is clear that Bryan has gotten under his skin big time. I think he really did in the end, also looking past the "wrestler" versus "entertainer" thing that has come up in the last few weeks, this promo went back to the original story, "Does Cena believe Bryan can beat him and does he respect him?" Cena's answer was a very strong no and also, nobody points out that the Miz was actually right about everything he was saying to Bryan. I also like how this promo, from both sides, really does a good job building the story of Bryan as the hungry underdog and Cena as the already established top star. I loved the part where Bryan talked about just wanting one title reign and Cena already had 11. The ending however, made Bryan look a bit heelish. The only problem now, is Bryan has to win this match. Or, Cena will win and, they'll have arguably one of the best on the planet endorse Cena as a "real wrestler". Ughhhhhhhhh
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 19:12:19 GMT -5
I enjoyed it. Why can't you just enjoy it without over-analysing everything? It was a damn fine segment. It's not really about overanalyzing. The whole feud took this sharp left turn, it's clear as day. People don't like the direction it went. I mean, they managed to hurt the "IWC"'s interest in a Daniel Bryan WWE title match (at Summerslam! against Cena!). That is impressive.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 13, 2013 19:14:45 GMT -5
I think he really did in the end, also looking past the "wrestler" versus "entertainer" thing that has come up in the last few weeks, this promo went back to the original story, "Does Cena believe Bryan can beat him and does he respect him?" Cena's answer was a very strong no and also, nobody points out that the Miz was actually right about everything he was saying to Bryan. I also like how this promo, from both sides, really does a good job building the story of Bryan as the hungry underdog and Cena as the already established top star. I loved the part where Bryan talked about just wanting one title reign and Cena already had 11. The ending however, made Bryan look a bit heelish. The only problem now, is Bryan has to win this match. Or, Cena will win and, they'll have arguably one of the best on the planet endorse Cena as a "real wrestler". Ughhhhhhhhh What's the problem with Bryan gaining respect for Cena? I mean, Cena is already top 5 right now and it would make little sense for Bryan of all people to validate him but I don't see the problem with mutual respect.
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Post by DIIV on Aug 13, 2013 19:17:17 GMT -5
I mean, Cena is already top 5 right now
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 13, 2013 19:19:47 GMT -5
I mean, Cena is already top 5 right now Not even joking. In no real order IMO it's Tanahashi, Okada, Cena, Bryan and mayyybe Punk. On a good night Ziggler can roll in there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 19:23:29 GMT -5
Or, Cena will win and, they'll have arguably one of the best on the planet endorse Cena as a "real wrestler". Ughhhhhhhhh What's the problem with Bryan gaining respect for Cena? I mean, Cena is already top 5 right now and it would make little sense for Bryan of all people to validate him but I don't see the problem with mutual respect. Oh no, it's not about that. I meant if that was the entire point of introducing this wrestler/entertainer stuff, to pad Cena's wrestling cred. That would be dumb. I'd actually like to see a Cena/Bryan vs. Orton/Triple H/DA OFFICE feud after Summerslam. Something like this: Cena and Bryan have a balls-out classic, and Bryan wins clean with the Small Package of Doom. Triple H raises his arm...and Pedigrees him, leading to the Orton cash-in. Blatantly stole that from someone here, I like it. Cena and Bryan gain a strong mutual respect for one another as a result of their hard-fought match, and team up to seek revenge on Orton and the McMahons. Since they're all involved now, might as well make something big of it.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Aug 13, 2013 19:25:35 GMT -5
I really don't see how the Vince/HHH component hurts the angle. It isn't adding much, but it does highlight the Bryan storyline of not having respect (which was building before Vince ever got involved).
What was the angle supposed to be in the mind of those that don't like the story? Bryan was clearly built as someone overlooked and looking for respect. It makes sense that Cena would say the things he has said and Bryan is making about the only points he can make. Sure tons of other wrestlers have said similar things about Cena, but what else can you say? He has beat most of the big names in the business of his life time. What more can you say?
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 13, 2013 19:25:46 GMT -5
What's the problem with Bryan gaining respect for Cena? I mean, Cena is already top 5 right now and it would make little sense for Bryan of all people to validate him but I don't see the problem with mutual respect. Oh no, it's not about that. I meant if that was the entire point of introducing this wrestler/entertainer stuff, to pad Cena's wrestling cred. That would be dumb. I'd actually like to see a Cena/Bryan vs. Orton/Triple H/DA OFFICE feud after Summerslam. Something like this: Cena and Bryan have a balls-out classic, and Bryan wins clean with the Small Package of Doom. Triple H raises his arm...and Pedigrees him, leading to the Orton cash-in. Blatantly stole that from someone here, I like it. Cena and Bryan gain a strong mutual respect for one another as a result of their hard-fought match, and team up to seek revenge on Orton and the McMahons. Since they're all involved now, might as well make something big of it. Ah alright. I've kinda been saying from the beginning of this feud that the worst possible outcome is both guys just moving on completely unchanged and going their seperate ways. No matter who wins. I just want something to branch off of it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 20:50:32 GMT -5
If that's why Cena slapped him, it just further goes to show how he missed the core concept. Bryan said wrestlers slap each other to fire each other so they'll bring everything they've got to the big match - not to prove how tough they are. Since he doesn't consider Cena a wrestler, he doesn't deserve it. And what did Cena do? He slapped Bryan and basically begged him to slap him back - which Bryan wouldn't do. Which is why Cena lost the promo battle that night big time. It's funny because Cena claims he's a real wrestler but it is painfully obvious he knows he's not because he so desperately wanted that "real wrestler respect" from Bryan. Bryan ended the promo clearly having the dominant position in the battle of words. Nope. Bryan said that real wrestlers slap each other before a big match to show how important the fight is. Then he snarked that they couldn't do it in WWE because Cena was a "parody of a wrestler". Cena slapped the taste out of his mouth to show he was and Bryan, arrogant prick that he is, wouldn't slap back. Bryan has shown he is the one with the inferiority complex (trying to prove he is not the weakest link after Team Hell No split, getting pissed at Miz for suggesting Cena chose him as his opponent for Summerslam because he'd be easy pickings, etc), not John Cena. He destroyed Bryan's argument by pointing out he's accomplished things Bryan has never done, in WWE or elsewhere, and has beaten opponents that are far out of Bryan's league (despite the delusional Bryan thinking otherwise). Actually Bryan said they slap each other to get each other amped for the big match, not just because its a big match. Hmmm, feels like we were watching the same promo from two very different POV s, which makes it a good promo over all I suppose. I don't see Bryan as an arrogant prick at all and Xena's rebuttal seemed very weak. Yeah, he's beat dudes, but he's also been beat BY them just as many times so.... I think a more INTERESTING rebuttal would have just been something like "Oh, you think I'm an entertainer. Cool. I guess it'll hurt twice as bad for you on Sunday because this "entertainer" is gonna beat the hell out of you" Something like that. As it was, Cena didn't really address the wrestler vs entertainer issue. He just side stepped and started rattling off his accomplishments as an entertainer in WWE. Not sure how Bryan's arrogant for not slapping him back. He said he wouldn't do it and when he didn't Cena tried to force his hand by slapping him first. It just made Cena come off as desperate.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 13, 2013 22:00:19 GMT -5
Nope. Bryan said that real wrestlers slap each other before a big match to show how important the fight is. Then he snarked that they couldn't do it in WWE because Cena was a "parody of a wrestler". Cena slapped the taste out of his mouth to show he was and Bryan, arrogant prick that he is, wouldn't slap back. Bryan has shown he is the one with the inferiority complex (trying to prove he is not the weakest link after Team Hell No split, getting pissed at Miz for suggesting Cena chose him as his opponent for Summerslam because he'd be easy pickings, etc), not John Cena. He destroyed Bryan's argument by pointing out he's accomplished things Bryan has never done, in WWE or elsewhere, and has beaten opponents that are far out of Bryan's league (despite the delusional Bryan thinking otherwise). Actually Bryan said they slap each other to get each other amped for the big match, not just because its a big match. Hmmm, feels like we were watching the same promo from two very different POV s, which makes it a good promo over all I suppose. I don't see Bryan as an arrogant prick at all and Xena's rebuttal seemed very weak. Yeah, he's beat dudes, but he's also been beat BY them just as many times so.... I think a more INTERESTING rebuttal would have just been something like "Oh, you think I'm an entertainer. Cool. I guess it'll hurt twice as bad for you on Sunday because this "entertainer" is gonna beat the hell out of you" Something like that. As it was, Cena didn't really address the wrestler vs entertainer issue. He just side stepped and started rattling off his accomplishments as an entertainer in WWE. Not sure how Bryan's arrogant for not slapping him back. He said he wouldn't do it and when he didn't Cena tried to force his hand by slapping him first. It just made Cena come off as desperate. How did he not address it? The rebuttal was about how all those people he rattled off said the same thing about him, and how he beat them all at wrestling as a wrestler. He said he wanted Bryan to be like them and think that he can't wrestle, because he proved all those people wrong. And yeah, he's been beat by them, that's sort of how wrestling works.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 22:07:57 GMT -5
Actually Bryan said they slap each other to get each other amped for the big match, not just because its a big match. Hmmm, feels like we were watching the same promo from two very different POV s, which makes it a good promo over all I suppose. I don't see Bryan as an arrogant prick at all and Xena's rebuttal seemed very weak. Yeah, he's beat dudes, but he's also been beat BY them just as many times so.... I think a more INTERESTING rebuttal would have just been something like "Oh, you think I'm an entertainer. Cool. I guess it'll hurt twice as bad for you on Sunday because this "entertainer" is gonna beat the hell out of you" Something like that. As it was, Cena didn't really address the wrestler vs entertainer issue. He just side stepped and started rattling off his accomplishments as an entertainer in WWE. Not sure how Bryan's arrogant for not slapping him back. He said he wouldn't do it and when he didn't Cena tried to force his hand by slapping him first. It just made Cena come off as desperate. How did he not address it? The rebuttal was about how all those people he rattled off said the same thing about him, and how he beat them all at wrestling as a wrestler. He said he wanted Bryan to be like them and think that he can't wrestle, because he proved all those people wrong. And yeah, he's been beat by them, that's sort of how wrestling works. He beat them as a WWE sports entertainer - one could argue. Like I said, if he would have bridged the gap between an "entertainer" and a "wrestler" - basically saying there's no difference, then that would have been a more interesting choice, but just saying "Whatevers dude, I've won lots of matches" just comes off as name-droppery of the highest degree. By name-dropping he basically didn't address the core concept Bryan was presenting: Cena's not a wrestler, he's a WWE entertainer through and through.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Aug 13, 2013 22:10:02 GMT -5
I loved the ending. Bryan OWNED Cena at the end.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 13, 2013 22:21:42 GMT -5
How did he not address it? The rebuttal was about how all those people he rattled off said the same thing about him, and how he beat them all at wrestling as a wrestler. He said he wanted Bryan to be like them and think that he can't wrestle, because he proved all those people wrong. And yeah, he's been beat by them, that's sort of how wrestling works. He beat them as a WWE sports entertainer - one could argue. Like I said, if he would have bridged the gap between an "entertainer" and a "wrestler" - basically saying there's no difference, then that would have been a more interesting choice, but just saying "Whatevers dude, I've won lots of matches" just comes off as name-droppery of the highest degree. By name-dropping he basically didn't address the core concept Bryan was presenting: Cena's not a wrestler, he's a WWE entertainer through and through. Let me highlight two different passages from the promo. "What I have become is a man who spent the last 12 years wrestling around the world" "The difference between you and me is not parody, jack, every one of those matches, I did it while I was holding this. So please, please think I'm a joke, please think I'm a parody, please think I'm going to waltz into Los Angeles on Sunday, just a shell of a man who's a t-shirt, a set of wrist bands and some off the rack set of cargos and a beat up pair of Pumas. Please, please think that about me, because that's what every one of your peers has thought about me and I've beaten them all. All of them. I've wrestled and beaten them all." To say he didn't address the core concept, that he wasn't a wrestler, is just wrong. He did, and he did it well. He didn't have a dance off against CM Punk, he didn't have a poetry slam with HHH, he didn't play Crossfire with Batista, he had a wrestling match. Being an "entertainer" and a "pro wrestler" are not different. If you're a pro wrestler and you're not entertaining, you're doing it wrong. You can't argue "He beat them as an entertainer" any more than you could argue that Bryan won the ROH title as an entertainer. They're not different.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 13, 2013 22:25:39 GMT -5
I would love to see Mania 30's main event as a poetry slam.
Daniel Bryan in the corner, arms crossed. Mumbling wrestler, wrestling, wrestle...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 22:28:53 GMT -5
"Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. You talk about all those people like they are so much better than me." "THEY ARE!" I wish Bryan just got right in his face and yelled "BITCH, I"LL MAKE YOU TAP!!!" I think the crowd would've gone nuts. Not that I think either has a particularly good motive here, but that would've been great. Still hopeful that the match will deliver and any shenanigans leads to Bryan getting put into an interesting angle.
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