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Post by CM Parish on Aug 13, 2013 5:51:01 GMT -5
I enjoyed it.
Why can't you just enjoy it without over-analysing everything? It was a damn fine segment.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 13, 2013 6:35:06 GMT -5
I loved the exchange. Both guys told their side perfectly, expressing what the title meant to them. Yes, some of it was a rehash, but honestly, that's how it's supposed to be, consistent between feuds. That's the problem I had with Cena saying he wouldn't wrestle anywhere else, and this promo stayed away from that. People talk about how he's not a wrestler, and he actually brings up that he's beaten everyone who's said that about him and wants Bryan to think that. That's not cringeworthy to me, it's consistency.
Bryan wants the respect and his entire validation as a wrestler relies on holding the WWE title just once. I loved that part of the exchange, much more meaningful to me than the parody portion. But even that didn't really bother me, because it's done to try to get under Cena's skin, which is part of the point of a promo. Hearing that time and time again, despite his accomplishments, that he'll never be respected as a wrestler is going to annoy him, and I think that Cena sold that aspect of it well.
As for the dying kids thing, it's fair game in my book. It's part of Cena's role as top face to do that sort of thing, and when someone's argument relies on him being a parody or a company man, then him bringing up what the company man does works. To respond to that well requires a ton of emotion, and I actually think Bryan's response delivered.
Just a fantastic effort from both guys in my mind, and for the first time, I feel like the match could go either way.
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Post by Arrow on Aug 13, 2013 6:35:40 GMT -5
This is the first promo I've seen from either of them concerning this feud, so I don't really know what the overall story is. Just from what I saw last night, I'd say that I liked Cena's promo better.
Telling Cena that he's not a real wrestler at this point is about the worst argument one could ever make. There's no sense to it whatsoever. This is the man who's won the WWE Championship 11 times and who's beaten people who've climbed mountains higher than Daniel Bryan ever has. He's as much a wrestler as Daniel Bryan is, has worked as hard as Bryan, and has proved himself in ways Bryan still has yet to.
And As far as Cena's promo being repetitive, it is. But Bryan coming in with the "you're not a real wrestler" thing is nothing more than a rehash of arguments used by opponents against Cena since 2005. So if we're going to criticize Cena for repeating himself, that should extend to Bryan for saying nothing that HHH/Punk/etc. already haven't.
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Post by Bo Rida on Aug 13, 2013 6:37:52 GMT -5
I thought the point of promos was to make me want to see a match more not less, instead of building each other up they just tore each other down, Bryan is less likeable due to his ridiculous tired arguments and Cena is less likeable for falling back on make-a-wish kids to defend himself (amongst other cheap points). The stupid thing is the feud didn't need any of this as there's already more than enough elements in play, if they wanted an additional hook I'd rather they'd have focused on the possibility of Cena tapping and what Bryan will do if the Yes Lock doesn't work. Why WWE keep over-complicating matches that should sell themselves is beyond me. The Make-a-wish stuff and salute the cargo shorts crap was silly because essentially it should apply for the rest of the roster. I love that phrase. |
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Post by Professor Chaos on Aug 13, 2013 6:58:27 GMT -5
I don't like either much really but since Cena bangs the hotter and more entertaining Bella guess I'll root for him since his Make a Wish bit choked me up as opposed to Bryan saying the face of the company for the past 8 years can't wrestle.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 13, 2013 7:36:38 GMT -5
I enjoyed it. Why can't you just enjoy it without over-analysing everything? It was a damn fine segment. Oh no! Don't open those flood gates! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 7:56:45 GMT -5
With all this "I'm a wrestler, you're not" D-Bry turned into a poor poor mans CM Punk. When Punk made those statements it was only a small piece of his Pipebomb character while its a huge part of Bryan's. Cena "killed" that with a couple sentences.
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Post by PKO on Aug 13, 2013 7:56:56 GMT -5
It was Cena's usual "actually, I am good" promo he does in every feud, with the American Flag and Make-a-Wish mixed in rather than having video packages devoted to them.
The best part, the most fire, was after the slap. That face. I wish it weren't true that they'll never go through with a heel turn, because he has SO much material to use for it and he has his moments where he looks like the smuggest bastard in the world.
Either way I'm just begging for something different with Cena. Stale isn't accurate enough, his act is a whole 'nother realm of repetitive.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 13, 2013 8:17:09 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 8:19:16 GMT -5
Oh man, the best part was Cena's "my t-shirt is like the american flag!"
It's a shirt man. Good lord.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 8:32:16 GMT -5
I dunno, Cena slapping Bryan, without real provocation, made Cena look more heelish in my eyes. Bryan did provoke Cena into slapping him. He went on about how "real wrestlers" in Japan would slap each other before a big match to show how tough they are, something Cena couldn't do because he's a "parody". He was being a condescending prick and Cena wanted to prove him wrong. If that's why Cena slapped him, it just further goes to show how he missed the core concept. Bryan said wrestlers slap each other to fire each other so they'll bring everything they've got to the big match - not to prove how tough they are. Since he doesn't consider Cena a wrestler, he doesn't deserve it. And what did Cena do? He slapped Bryan and basically begged him to slap him back - which Bryan wouldn't do. Which is why Cena lost the promo battle that night big time. It's funny because Cena claims he's a real wrestler but it is painfully obvious he knows he's not because he so desperately wanted that "real wrestler respect" from Bryan. Bryan ended the promo clearly having the dominant position in the battle of words. |
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Aug 13, 2013 8:35:35 GMT -5
OK, I see the OP and most of the posts in this thread and I wonder why I even bother posting here.
Though, I have to point out the fact that Bryan called this the most important match of his life, and bringing up the fact that to John Cena, this is just another PPV to him, but to Bryan, this is everything.
For Daniel Bryan, this is the ultimate opportunity at validation. To show that he's more than a beard, more than just a repeatable catchphrase, and that he's still The American Dragon, and that he's still everything everyone has said about him in the ring for so long. That was something I appreciated a lot.
But, go on guys. Back to your business.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 13, 2013 8:39:48 GMT -5
OK, I see the OP and most of the posts in this thread and I wonder why I even bother posting here. Uh, why? People not agreeing with you? Curious. |
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Post by MGH on Aug 13, 2013 9:11:31 GMT -5
I enjoyed it. Why can't you just enjoy it without over-analysing everything? It was a damn fine segment. Because I didn't think it was a damn fine segment and it doesn't exactly take a month's study and over analyzing to think that? Call me crazy. |
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Aug 13, 2013 9:18:04 GMT -5
OK, I see the OP and most of the posts in this thread and I wonder why I even bother posting here. Uh, why? People not agreeing with you? Curious. Not exactly. People are free to think that the segment wasn't very good, but the truth is, the whole "YOU'RE NOT A WRESTLER!!!" thing has superseded what, to me, is the most important part of Bryan's part in this match. It means everything to him. The rest is just "ENTERTAINMENT" or lol internet forum fodder. |
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Post by CM Parish on Aug 13, 2013 9:32:38 GMT -5
I enjoyed it. Why can't you just enjoy it without over-analysing everything? It was a damn fine segment. Because I didn't think it was a damn fine segment and it doesn't exactly take a month's study and over analyzing to think that? Call me crazy. You're crazy. And have odd taste. |
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Post by hossfan on Aug 13, 2013 9:33:37 GMT -5
Bryan did provoke Cena into slapping him. He went on about how "real wrestlers" in Japan would slap each other before a big match to show how tough they are, something Cena couldn't do because he's a "parody". He was being a condescending prick and Cena wanted to prove him wrong. If that's why Cena slapped him, it just further goes to show how he missed the core concept. Bryan said wrestlers slap each other to fire each other so they'll bring everything they've got to the big match - not to prove how tough they are. Since he doesn't consider Cena a wrestler, he doesn't deserve it. And what did Cena do? He slapped Bryan and basically begged him to slap him back - which Bryan wouldn't do. Which is why Cena lost the promo battle that night big time. It's funny because Cena claims he's a real wrestler but it is painfully obvious he knows he's not because he so desperately wanted that "real wrestler respect" from Bryan. Bryan ended the promo clearly having the dominant position in the battle of words. Nope. Bryan said that real wrestlers slap each other before a big match to show how important the fight is. Then he snarked that they couldn't do it in WWE because Cena was a "parody of a wrestler". Cena slapped the taste out of his mouth to show he was and Bryan, arrogant prick that he is, wouldn't slap back. Bryan has shown he is the one with the inferiority complex (trying to prove he is not the weakest link after Team Hell No split, getting pissed at Miz for suggesting Cena chose him as his opponent for Summerslam because he'd be easy pickings, etc), not John Cena. He destroyed Bryan's argument by pointing out he's accomplished things Bryan has never done, in WWE or elsewhere, and has beaten opponents that are far out of Bryan's league (despite the delusional Bryan thinking otherwise). |
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Post by Abdullah on Aug 13, 2013 10:23:39 GMT -5
OK, I see the OP and most of the posts in this thread and I wonder why I even bother posting here. Though, I have to point out the fact that Bryan called this the most important match of his life, and bringing up the fact that to John Cena, this is just another PPV to him, but to Bryan, this is everything. For Daniel Bryan, this is the ultimate opportunity at validation. To show that he's more than a beard, more than just a repeatable catchphrase, and that he's still The American Dragon, and that he's still everything everyone has said about him in the ring for so long. That was something I appreciated a lot. That was good. One of the best moments of the segment and Bryan was convincing in that mode - they should have tapped into it more and they didn't. |
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Aug 13, 2013 10:38:16 GMT -5
I thought they did a good job making it look like Cena doesn't respect Bryan and that Bryan doesn't really respect him either.
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Post by chac on Aug 13, 2013 10:55:33 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they we're just setting up the finish of the match. Cena earns his slap and Bryan wins earning Cena's respect.
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