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Post by khali on Aug 18, 2013 23:26:21 GMT -5
I would like to think that this will all turn out well and Bryan will eventually get a huge win. But we've been burned on so many storyline that its still hard to have faith in them.
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Post by Sc on Aug 18, 2013 23:28:51 GMT -5
One inconsistent thing is the MITB cash in rule. Sometimes its "The champion must be standing before you can cash in" and other times the guy can just cash in even when the champion is laid out. This time it was 'the boss'(or one of them) telling them to ring the bell. They should've had Triple H hold Bryan up by his beard and then drop him when the bell rang.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 23:33:15 GMT -5
Well HHH got his wish in the end. We come out of Bryan/Cena talking about HHH.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 23:33:36 GMT -5
It wouldn't really have worked if they did that. Had Bryan been able to hold the belt for a bit, the reaction to the turn would have been more subdued, something like, "Damn. I really wanted Bryan to keep the belt" whereas the immediate cash-in makes people more emotional - basically make you go "F*** YOU ORTON! F*** YOU HHH!" Had they waited, the angle wouldn't be nearly as hot. Which is also why they couldn't have Orton cash in on Cena - then there wouldn't be the emotion of Bryan being screwed over, it would just be a "Well, I prefer Bryan over Orton." You need the fans as emotionally invested as possible, which is what they did. Basically, they gave us just a taste of Bryan as champion to leave us begging for more. Yeah, guess that's true. Just thought Bryan deserved a good first title reign, but from a storyline standpoint, what happened tonight works. I think we can still drink in the satisfaction as if we were in store for a long reign because this was 100% an earned title win for Daniel Bryan. This wasn't just some "oh they want Ryder, huh?" so they just slap a title on him and never talk about him again so they can say they listen to the fans. This was Bryan getting over the way WWE want guys to get over and getting a clean WWE Championship main event win over Cena as a reward, even if it were taken away. This isn't one of those cheap wins as a last ditch effort to get a 90% written off guy over before they completely give up on them.
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Post by CM Dazz on Aug 18, 2013 23:37:36 GMT -5
As much as I hate Orton and Triple H, I think this storyline could be really interesting. I just wish they had let Bryan have his moment and save all of this for a PPV down the road, maybe Survivor Series or something. It wouldn't really have worked if they did that. Had Bryan been able to hold the belt for a bit, the reaction to the turn would have been more subdued, something like, "Damn. I really wanted Bryan to keep the belt" whereas the immediate cash-in makes people more emotional - basically make you go "F*** YOU ORTON! F*** YOU HHH!" Had they waited, the angle wouldn't be nearly as hot. Which is also why they couldn't have Orton cash in on Cena - then there wouldn't be the emotion of Bryan being screwed over, it would just be a "Well, I prefer Bryan over Orton." You need the fans as emotionally invested as possible, which is what they did. Basically, they gave us just a taste of Bryan as champion to leave us begging for more. I agree 100%. As I said in the other thread, Bryan will be even MORE over than he already is. He'll get tons of sympathy for getting screwed over. Where's Raw tomorrow? I fully expect them to go ape shit for Bryan, & boo Orton/HHH mercilessly.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 18, 2013 23:38:12 GMT -5
On the one hand, I really wish Bryan could've had a great first reign to solidify himself as a top act in the WWE once and for all.
On the other hand, I can't say I'm not intrigued by what happened and hoping this leads to a big angle for Bryan. Even if I rolled my eyes and had a heavy sigh when HHH shoved himself yet again front and center into the limelight of the top storyline in the company.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 23:38:54 GMT -5
HHH's wikipedia page yo.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 18, 2013 23:54:09 GMT -5
I am totally fine with the developments. Believe it or not, WWE probably did Bryan one hell of a favor. Let me explain why:
1. Cena is probably leaving for surgery as many guessed, given his f***ed up elbow. That top face spot has one less person vying for it now that Orton is heel. It's basically going to be Bryan and Punk on top for now.
2. Bryan pinned Cena clean as a whistle. Simple enough.
3. Bryan being double crossed by Orton further protected him in loss. He already had a match, AND got screwed, so Orton's villainous win isn't just opportunity, it's an outright dick move that probably wasn't even necessary in kayfabe.
Instead of a wishy-washy "Is Orton a heel here?" turn, we get confirmation, solidifying Bryan as the face here. You don't get an angel without a devil.
Without these events, you'd just have Bryan as the champ with the phantom of the briefcase overshadowing his championship, as they'd just be waiting for Orton to cash in all the time. Now, all of the cards are on the table, and he gets to fiercely chase what is rightfully his. They gave him Top Face on a silver platter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 23:56:43 GMT -5
I actually am glad Orton is champ for now.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Aug 19, 2013 0:01:28 GMT -5
It looked normal when I went there. What'd I miss?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 0:05:29 GMT -5
It looked normal when I went there. What'd I miss? They must have changed it back - they basically added "...and he's a massive f***ing tool." or something like that to the first paragraph of his bio.
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Post by amaron on Aug 19, 2013 0:07:33 GMT -5
I wish this would lead to the end of the YES/NO stuff. It is turning into the WHAT for me.
I want Bryan to just kick some ass.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 19, 2013 0:12:14 GMT -5
I am totally fine with the developments. Believe it or not, WWE probably did Bryan one hell of a favor. Let me explain why: 1. Cena is probably leaving for surgery as many guessed, given his f***ed up elbow. That top face spot has one less person vying for it now that Orton is heel. It's basically going to be Bryan and Punk on top for now. If Orton puts Cena out tomorrow, doesn't that make Orton/Cena the bigger issue? When Cena comes back, wouldn't Bryan be pushed to the side at that point? Best case scenario is that Cena gets put out tomorrow by someone completely random. Like a whole "who hit Stone Cold" story-- instead with a logical payoff this time. Cena deserves an angle to come back to, but I do not ever want to see another Cena/Orton match in my life. They have no in-ring chemistry, excitement-wise. (technically, it's fine, just not exciting).
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Aug 19, 2013 0:13:23 GMT -5
So, what some of you are saying is, they nuked DB's big moment of awesome, where he beat the main star to gain his 1st WWE title, all so they can put him on at WrestleMania nearly a year from now and give him his second title?
That's stupid as hell. Actually planning out 3 title changes for the same angle is Russo territory. You want to make DB a star? You just did by having him give Cena his cleanest loss in 9 years. You want to make DB a champion? You already did.
The truth is, this is WWE having no faith in anyone new. Same we saw with the 2 day reign, same we saw with Punk/Rock, same we saw with Jack Swagger being booked like a midcarder. Think about it, if Bryan/Orton is our WM main event, then who is the main star for the next 8 months? Orton. Do I have to remind anyone of the mediocrity of the Age of Orton, or his 2010 reign?
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 19, 2013 0:14:23 GMT -5
I am totally fine with the developments. Believe it or not, WWE probably did Bryan one hell of a favor. Let me explain why: 1. Cena is probably leaving for surgery as many guessed, given his f***ed up elbow. That top face spot has one less person vying for it now that Orton is heel. It's basically going to be Bryan and Punk on top for now. If Orton puts Cena out tomorrow, doesn't that make Orton/Cena the bigger issue? When Cena comes back, wouldn't Bryan be pushed to the side at that point? Best case scenario is that Cena gets put out tomorrow by someone completely random. Like a whole "who hit Stone Cold" story-- instead with a logical payoff this time. Cena deserves an angle to come back to, but I do not ever want to see another Cena/Orton match in my life. They have no in-ring chemistry, excitement-wise. (technically, it's fine, just not exciting). I agree, and that is as someone who LIKES both Cena and to a lesser extent, Orton. They team well, but against each other, they are dull. They might just have Cena leave for his elbow which he has called attention to as being f***ed up, or could have Shield or the Wyatts screw him up, but he might get punted, in which case, it might sadly lead to another match with those two, which I wouldn't like to see.
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Post by Sc on Aug 19, 2013 0:16:03 GMT -5
It looked normal when I went there. What'd I miss? They must have changed it back - they basically added "...and he's a massive f***ing tool." or something like that to the first paragraph of his bio. Thought you were referring to this:
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 19, 2013 0:22:48 GMT -5
WWE's sure got all the marks outraged and hating the two new top heels and chomping at the bit to see the new top babyface get his revenge. I call that good booking. But.... the thing is, even though good storytelling and common sense makes the outcome that in the end, Bryan will emerge victorious and defeat Orton/Triple H cleanly for the world title; this is WWE were talking about. Good storytelling is something they often lack the ability to do. I have no confidence in the WWE ending this angle with Bryan as champ (which is the way it should end). It will probably end with Triple H randomly deciding to turn face and end Orton's run. Besides, even though it COULD be a good story, they've put one of the most boring guys as the main man in the feud. I dread watching a 20 minute duel Randy Orton and Triple H promo. I'd have preferred WWE Corporate champion Damien Sandow, Wade Barrett or... well, anybody remotely interesting.
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Post by 543Y2J on Aug 19, 2013 0:27:19 GMT -5
A lot of talk about the aftermath which is fine and I will throw my opinions in on it later, but I just want to say the match was phenomenal. A MOTY contender, maybe not on the same level or stronger than Punk/Lesnar, but nevertheless a strong contender. I give it ****1/2 on first viewing easily.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Aug 19, 2013 0:33:40 GMT -5
I'd be fine with Orton putting Cena out tomorrow, so that Cena comes back to feud with Orton over the title and eventually they square off at WrestleMania in the main event for the belt. Meanwhile, We build Bryan along the way and give the fans Bryan/Punk at Mania. Then they're still free to do Brock -v- Taker/Rock at Mania, too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 0:33:53 GMT -5
The best thing in the match was Bryan going for the third corner dropkick and Cena DESTROYING him with the lariat.
Awesome match, and they managed to give Bryan the biggest win anyone can get in WWE, while setting up an entire new story arc and giving Bryan new obstacles tp overcome. I disagree with most poeple about Orton, he's fantastic and I'm excited to see how he acts as a heel. I don't see him keeping the same old Viper routine.
Overall I think the combination of match quality and storyline implications it was one of the best WWE title matches ever.
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