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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Aug 18, 2013 22:50:28 GMT -5
This PPV really restored my interest in the company after a disappointing WM. Punk/Lesnar was brilliant. Bray Wyatt had a shaky match, but the gimmick was strengthened and Daniel Bryan/Cena was perfect and they set up a potentially interesting story to flow from it while Cena takes time off.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 18, 2013 22:53:01 GMT -5
I don't think this ruins Bryan as far as being a top babyface fighting the evil forces of the HHH machine. It might ruin the concept of kicking off an era of him being presented as the "Greatest of All Time", though, since that Iconic "This is the beginning of his era" moment is compromised. That's the reason I'm so upset.. They should've either let him have the moment or saved it for later. I agree with the guy who said that no one gets to have "Boyhood dream" moments anymore.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Aug 18, 2013 22:53:24 GMT -5
Anybody got a count on all of the "I'm done forever" posts? Eh, I'm not done forever, but I think I'm done for the immediate future. I'm hoping if I take a break for a while, this stuff will start to appeal to me again. Either that or maybe the McMahon family will go away.
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Post by mo on Aug 18, 2013 22:53:51 GMT -5
Anybody got a count on all of the "I'm done forever" posts? I haven't seen one yet. The reaction here has actually been quite subdued from what I've seen, contrary to what the usual gang of "rebels" are trying to present.
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Post by CM Dazz on Aug 18, 2013 22:55:19 GMT -5
Best heel turn WWE have pulled off since Undertaker attacked J.R. Terrific stuff. Also, Vince will at least turn full on babyface before the end of the year. Calling it. Calling it? No offense but that's been talked about for weeks.
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Post by Y2M on Aug 18, 2013 22:55:43 GMT -5
As much as I hate Orton and Triple H, I think this storyline could be really interesting. I just wish they had let Bryan have his moment and save all of this for a PPV down the road, maybe Survivor Series or something.
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Post by BigWill on Aug 18, 2013 23:02:01 GMT -5
Now wait a minute people...
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 18, 2013 23:03:10 GMT -5
While I'm disappointed that Bryan's first win was used for storyline foundation purposes, the good outweighs the bad here. He beat John Cena clean as a whistle (which happens VERY rarely), he's in the books as a WWE Champion and this SHOULD (that's the key word) lead to a hot angle where he regains the belt in the end and takes his place once and for all as the man.
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Post by CM Dazz on Aug 18, 2013 23:03:37 GMT -5
Oh, & everyone needs to stop saying they'll wait & see how this plays out, because That's frowned upon in this establishment!
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Post by Arrow on Aug 18, 2013 23:05:19 GMT -5
Oh, & everyone needs to stop saying they'll wait & see how this plays out, because -snip- That's frowned upon in this establishment! I've never understood that. Aside from just not watching the show, exactly what other choice do you have but to wait it out and see where it goes?
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Aug 18, 2013 23:07:01 GMT -5
I can't wait until HHH cuts the promo about Daniel Bryan tomorrow that doesn't subtly build up Bryan and get him more over as a wronged hero, but rather tears holes in him instead and deconstructs everything about him that doesn't work. Oh, and then pins him at Night of Champions to build "heat". Oh, ya, then never returns the favor. See, that's my problem. HHH has no idea how, as a heel, to make you care about the babyface's plight. He tells you guys are terrible or unworthy, then wins anyway nine times out of ten, proving his point. He never took a page from his hero Ric Flair's book and puts dudes over as awesome, while of course putting himself over. I remember Flair selling Ricky Morton as a serious threat in the mid 80's, then everyone biting on the near-falls of the match. HHH, in that role, would say that Ricky was too small, had a terrible body, and could barely cut it in tags. Then he'd pin him clean with a pedigree. For now, I'll give HHH the benefit of the doubt. But history makes me think I should know better. Tomorrow really is going to be put-up or shut-up time to me for HHH. I will give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment because I feel like a lot of good things have come along since he rose to power internally (including seeing Bryan vs Cena in the first place), but tomorrow night better be the best damn episode of RAW I've ever seen.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 18, 2013 23:07:18 GMT -5
Anybody got a count on all of the "I'm done forever" posts? While they laugh at YouTube videos of Cena fans upset over him losing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 23:08:23 GMT -5
I don't think this ruins Bryan as far as being a top babyface fighting the evil forces of the HHH machine. It might ruin the concept of kicking off an era of him being presented as the "Greatest of All Time", though, since that Iconic "This is the beginning of his era" moment is compromised. That's the reason I'm so upset.. They should've either let him have the moment or saved it for later. I agree with the guy who said that no one gets to have "Boyhood dream" moments anymore. I know it gets said a lot and is typically balked at with good reason but if there's any time to wait and see what happens I think this is it. Bryan beat Cena which clearly shows that the WWE see equity in pushing Daniel Bryan. Now WWE thrust two major antagonists in front of him and there's really no one else available right now but Daniel Bryan to be the guy to give them their comeuppance. It's a bump in the road but it seems very certain that Bryan's "Boyhood Dream" moment is coming. Things are propped up in a way that we could stand to see Bryan beat Randy Orton and Triple H. Seeing Bryan make Triple H tap would be huge.
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Post by CM Dazz on Aug 18, 2013 23:08:37 GMT -5
Oh, & everyone needs to stop saying they'll wait & see how this plays out, because -snip- That's frowned upon in this establishment! I've never understood that. Aside from just not watching the show, exactly what other choice do you have but to wait it out and see where it goes? Saying, "f*** this, I'm done!!!", & THEN watching Raw the next night.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 18, 2013 23:08:45 GMT -5
Anybody got a count on all of the "I'm done forever" posts? I haven't seen one yet. Evidently you missed all of them right after it happened...
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Post by Sicho100 on Aug 18, 2013 23:11:38 GMT -5
As much as I hate Orton and Triple H, I think this storyline could be really interesting. I just wish they had let Bryan have his moment and save all of this for a PPV down the road, maybe Survivor Series or something. It wouldn't really have worked if they did that. Had Bryan been able to hold the belt for a bit, the reaction to the turn would have been more subdued, something like, "Damn. I really wanted Bryan to keep the belt" whereas the immediate cash-in makes people more emotional - basically make you go "F*** YOU ORTON! F*** YOU HHH!" Had they waited, the angle wouldn't be nearly as hot. Which is also why they couldn't have Orton cash in on Cena - then there wouldn't be the emotion of Bryan being screwed over, it would just be a "Well, I prefer Bryan over Orton." You need the fans as emotionally invested as possible, which is what they did. Basically, they gave us just a taste of Bryan as champion to leave us begging for more.
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Post by y4j1981 on Aug 18, 2013 23:13:18 GMT -5
Krusty = people who didnt order the ppv and ask their friends who did watch Summer Slam how they feel about it, and the Springfield town people= the internet:
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Post by Y2M on Aug 18, 2013 23:16:19 GMT -5
As much as I hate Orton and Triple H, I think this storyline could be really interesting. I just wish they had let Bryan have his moment and save all of this for a PPV down the road, maybe Survivor Series or something. It wouldn't really have worked if they did that. Had Bryan been able to hold the belt for a bit, the reaction to the turn would have been more subdued, something like, "Damn. I really wanted Bryan to keep the belt" whereas the immediate cash-in makes people more emotional - basically make you go "F*** YOU ORTON! F*** YOU HHH!" Had they waited, the angle wouldn't be nearly as hot. Which is also why they couldn't have Orton cash in on Cena - then there wouldn't be the emotion of Bryan being screwed over, it would just be a "Well, I prefer Bryan over Orton." You need the fans as emotionally invested as possible, which is what they did. Basically, they gave us just a taste of Bryan as champion to leave us begging for more. Yeah, guess that's true. Just thought Bryan deserved a good first title reign, but from a storyline standpoint, what happened tonight works.
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 18, 2013 23:16:22 GMT -5
My biggest hope in all this is that it's going to make Bryan the strongest, pushable face they've had in a long time. As much as I love Punk, I know he rubs some people the wrong way, Bryan is over with the entire crowd, across the country so far, and they may have cemented that tonight. But I can't help shake that feeling deep in my gut that this is designed to kill whatever momentum D-Bry has. I pray I'm wrong, but knowing this company...
At least a lot of this makes sense, it isn't just "Orton wins because WWE".
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Post by Andy Martin on Aug 18, 2013 23:19:11 GMT -5
One inconsistent thing is the MITB cash in rule. Sometimes its "The champion must be standing before you can cash in" and other times the guy can just cash in even when the champion is laid out. This time it was 'the boss'(or one of them) telling them to ring the bell.
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