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Post by Chip on Aug 19, 2013 7:09:15 GMT -5
Enough with this "Punk wasnt buried" burried bollocks. Yes he didn't get buried, but you know what did? THE WHOLE EFFING ANGLE. The whole momentum of Punk. f*** Triple H. That angle makes way more sense when you look at it like WWE intended Punk to be heel but had to abandon it when he wasn't getting the desired reactions. I've said it before and I'll say it again but I don't think they expected the "Pipebomb" promo to turn him face.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 19, 2013 7:13:43 GMT -5
Can this be a new Two Man Power Trip? Trips and Randy win the tag titles too, Trips wins the WHC? ...I'd mark.
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Post by botchingitup on Aug 19, 2013 7:15:35 GMT -5
Enough with this "Punk wasnt buried" burried bollocks. Yes he didn't get buried, but you know what did? THE WHOLE EFFING ANGLE. The whole momentum of Punk. f*** Triple H. Stop stuffing words in my mouth. Yes, the momentum of the angle was buried. My point was that it wasn't the intended direction of the angle to go at all. The entire thing was a consequence of Kevin Nash being ol' unprofessional "injury"-prone Kevin Nash. It sucks, it was poorly done, but the point I was making was it wasn't the intended M.O. that they had on paper from day 1. If Punk got his revenge, knocked off Nash, and got the title shortly after, I doubt it would've derailed it nearly as hard as when they were written into a corner with "well Punk kinda has to lose or else the entire company looks terrible. Not the evil management, ALL of it." They made a blood feud out of Trips Punk when they weren't even intending the two to fight. Then when it came time that they needed to out of a backup, they threw up their arms and said "screw it." Assuming Orton doesn't randomly crap himself and fall off the face of the earth, I can't see history repeating itself. Bryan just pinned Cena clean as a whistle - he's not getting Christian'd a week later.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Aug 19, 2013 8:05:29 GMT -5
I'm a huge Bryan fan, so the mark in me grabbed my hair when I saw the ceremony was taking too long and something was clearly going to happen. They got me good, honestly, and I think (THINK) I like where this is going.
Either way, Bryan beat Cena clean and got a hell of a moment. Nothing can take that away and as someone who has watched DB come up the ranks from ROH to this is amazing.
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Post by Crimson on Aug 19, 2013 8:11:25 GMT -5
Thing is, Punk was supposed to beat Nash when the feud was starting up. Nash ended up getting tied up and out of it because he's Nash. From there, they'd already built the conflict between Punk and Trips so poorly and with so much vitriol in his direction in the story that Punk winning would've looked pretty bad, almost heelish. Instead they opted for a weird-ass finish with a ton of run-ins and it was not a clean victory at all for Trips at all. By the same logic, Bryan never was going to pin Cena clean because Punk didn't get to - but he just did ultimately. History repeats itself a lot, no question, and I'm not saying this angle is emphatically going to be good. But tonight the way they played everything makes me think it may not be completely hopeless. Enough with this "Punk wasnt buried" burried bollocks. Yes he didn't get buried, but you know what did? THE WHOLE EFFING ANGLE. The whole momentum of Punk. f*** Triple H. Instead he got to carry the WWE title for well over a year. Poor CM Punk.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 8:25:28 GMT -5
I think - aside from the skullduggery of the entire ending - that they're setting up the long game to push Bryan even further into the stratosphere of superstardom.
He's beaten Cena clean. Now he's going to be Orton/HHH/&WWE management.
But if this is one of those things where Bryan is a placeholder until Cena gets back to right the wrongs of the McMahon family.... le sigh, I don't know. I may just watch NXT only. hahah
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 19, 2013 8:32:18 GMT -5
I think - aside from the skullduggery of the entire ending - that they're setting up the long game to push Bryan even further into the stratosphere of superstardom. He's beaten Cena clean. Now he's going to be Orton/HHH/&WWE management. But if this is one of those things where Bryan is a placeholder until Cena gets back to right the wrongs of the McMahon family.... le sigh, I don't know. I may just watch NXT only. hahah I can't imagine this company would be so backwards as to give DBD the Ryback treatment. ...actually, yes I can.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 19, 2013 8:35:09 GMT -5
Currently my only problem is that Orton is the one they gave the title too.
He hasn't entertained me since his intercontinental title reign from like 10 years ago...
If they completely dump Bryan, I will be more angry but with the way it went down I don't see that happening.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 19, 2013 8:35:11 GMT -5
Not looking through all these pages, but I just wanted to say that Randy Orton looked bored to be out there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 8:35:32 GMT -5
I think - aside from the skullduggery of the entire ending - that they're setting up the long game to push Bryan even further into the stratosphere of superstardom. He's beaten Cena clean. Now he's going to be Orton/HHH/&WWE management. But if this is one of those things where Bryan is a placeholder until Cena gets back to right the wrongs of the McMahon family.... le sigh, I don't know. I may just watch NXT only. hahah I can't imagine this company would be so backwards as to give DBD the Ryback treatment. ...actually, yes I can. Hah! Well, I actually like Ryback's bully character more than his "feed me more" caricature, but yeah - WWE is the kind of company that would throw money out the window just to show how right they are about something.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 19, 2013 8:43:10 GMT -5
It really is an indictment on WWE's booking in recent years that even though Bryan has been put over like no one has been for a LONG time, people are still worried they're going to screw it up.
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Post by angryfan on Aug 19, 2013 9:04:27 GMT -5
It really is an indictment on WWE's booking in recent years that even though Bryan has been put over like no one has been for a LONG time, people are still worried they're going to screw it up. Honestly, I think in this case you could take Bryan out of the equation entirely, the concern would be the same. If they want a "Mania" draw, they feel they have to go to the Attitude Era. If they want a draw for anything else, invariably it comes back to inserting someone who was over in 2004 or prior. Trips is Trips, we all know that any angel involving him will both balloon and have a "steal the spotlight" moment. Not a negative, not a positive, just the fact that it is how it is. Orton has been in this situation before, randomly inserted as a "shocking" turn that does nothing. He's over in terms of live crowd reaction but very little else, which means he's always just a placeholder for someone else to step in and "conquer" him. Cena...nuff said. He had to lose to get time for surgery. No issue with it, and nothing negative to say. I hope they let it actually heal and give him time. Having said that, if Orton is the one who always makes the "shocking" turn, then Cena is the one who always makes the "heroic" comeback. My issue is the overt predictability of it all. It's not that this is the same angle we've seen before, it's that it has only one variable, which is D-Bry. Trips will always have the limelight moment, either when he turns heel or face, where he comes out and has his "look at me!" segment. This will not change. Cena will always "save the day", and again this will not change. Orton is a sold worker who the company has invested in and, despite two strikes, is "dependable". I have an issue with the finish, not because D-Bry lost, not because he was "buried", but because even though he was built up to be important, he wound up being the interchangeable part in a predictable machine. THAAT to me says he is being wasted in favor of the same three guys who have been pushed as either the most important people in the company or damn near, for a decade now.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 19, 2013 9:05:30 GMT -5
I hate HHH. I hate Orton.
I LOVED this ending.
Maybe it's because it's the first time in what feels like forever that we've had a major heel turn to top off a PPV. Maybe it's because I'm being (perhaps hopelessly) optimistic that Bryan will still chase Orton down and win the belt back, maybe it's because HHH and Orton work so much better as heels anyway. I don't know, but I loved it. I have the same feeling I had after Stone Colds heel turn at WM 17. Pure anger followed by excitement at what's to come.
This does a lot more for Bryan than simply winning the title and defending it a few times.
(That being said, if we get Orton/Cena again...I take all of this back)
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Post by JTG Fan on Aug 19, 2013 9:07:44 GMT -5
Would be kinda cool if Triple H plays the "you think you're better than me" card. He has cut his hair and changed his personality in order to help run WWE, wheras DB refuses to become corporate at all in order to 'best represent WWE'.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 19, 2013 9:08:21 GMT -5
Only thing I thought they might do differently is have Orton cash in during the match so both Cena and Bryan could say they were screwed, but I liked how everthing has played out.
I know the Corporation stuff has been mentioned, but I really don't see this as replaying Austin's role. I see Bryan getting the Mankind/Mick Foley role. While there were memorable moments for Mick in 98, for most of the year he was kind of doing nothing. Even when he got 2 title shots as Dude Love and had the HIAC match, he wasn't really at his peak in popularity. But through hardwork, good matches, and showing charisma in those skits with Vince he started getting over. Foley's character also had some similarities in not being viewed as a good poster boy for the company. Foley then got screwed at Survivor Series and went on to be a star against the Rock.
Yeah that storyline eventually became Austin vs Rocky, but a majority of it (pretty much 5 months) was Rocky vs Foley. While Foley never had a lengthy title reign out of the program, he cemented himself as a top guy. Maybe they're trying to run Daniel Bryan's role as a mixture of Austin and Foley.
Now I do understand why many would be skeptical, but for once the set up actually makes a lot of sense. Everything fits in Bryan's character arc. If they keep screwing him over while showing that he truly is amazing in the ring, it will make the payoff better. I don't really see this as a Christian moment as I honestly never felt he should have beaten Del Rio back then (it was a feel good moment, but it was blatantly obvious they were only giving him the belt because of the sudden emotion of Edge retiring) and it seems like there is a plan in place.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 19, 2013 9:09:53 GMT -5
Forgive me if this has been answered but aside from Rock, who is the last person to beat Cena absolutely clean on a PPV?
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 19, 2013 9:14:10 GMT -5
Forgive me if this has been answered but aside from Rock, who is the last person to beat Cena absolutely clean on a PPV? I wanna say Batista
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 19, 2013 9:20:27 GMT -5
Forgive me if this has been answered but aside from Rock, who is the last person to beat Cena absolutely clean on a PPV? I wanna say Batista I thought so. And we're talking Summerslam 09?
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 19, 2013 9:23:16 GMT -5
I still consider Punks victory against him at MITB '11 clean. Cena was distracted, but it's not like anyone attacked him. His fault for keeping his eye off the ball.
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Post by RAW IS GWAR on Aug 19, 2013 9:23:49 GMT -5
I just want Raw to open with the Evolution theme
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