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Post by BigJerichool222 on Aug 18, 2013 22:19:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 22:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by Rolent Tex on Aug 18, 2013 22:20:51 GMT -5
I'm fully ok with this ending. D-Bry gets a clean win over the biggest name in WWE and looks like he has THE feud leading into Wrestlemania if they extend Orton/Bryan that long.
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Post by Andy Martin on Aug 18, 2013 22:20:55 GMT -5
It was extremely well booked and well worked by everyone involved.
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Post by CM Dazz on Aug 18, 2013 22:21:25 GMT -5
Ohh, I see, they were combined...
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Post by Sicho100 on Aug 18, 2013 22:22:10 GMT -5
I think they're gonna do the long build to Bryan winning the belt back at Mania (just like the Austin title win and build leading to Mania 15). All we need is a Corporation for Bryan to run through until he reaches the top of the mountain. WHo are we putting in this HHH-Orton stable? I mentioned earlier Barrett and Miz (Barrett essentially has to be in after the past few weeks, and there were hints of Miz turning on Bryan during MizTV - plus, with those two you can play up their history with Bryan, with Miz having been his NXT pro and Barrett leading Nexus/kicking Bryan out of Nexus/winning NXT when Bryan lost). I also threw out the Shield, playing up the idea that they're mercenaries.
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Post by Thaal Sinestro on Aug 18, 2013 22:22:11 GMT -5
I'm one of the ones who 'as a fan', is distraught by the whole thing. But then again, that's what they want. I hate Orton and HHH for this, and want to see Bryan get it back somehow. On a storyline level, it's brilliant. I'd kinda like to see 'the machine' of Vince/HHH/Orton keep Bryan down at every available opportunity, refusing title shots, screwing him over, all that jazz. Until Royal Rumble, where they try to screw him again by forcing him into the #1 position. However, it all goes wrong when Bryan outlasts everyone, wins the Rumble and goes on to take down the machine at Wrestlemania. Bryan gets the true Wrestlemania moment and fans go nuts, everyone wins. This guy.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 18, 2013 22:22:49 GMT -5
I wanted and Orton/HHH heel alliance, but not like this. They should've just let Cena win, then let Orton cash in on him. All this does is add another > 1 day reign to the belt's history and needlessly pad Bryan's reign count in the event that he does get the belt back down the line. Yes. Then people would be going all "OMG we have to sit through another Cena vs. Orton/HHH feud! I HATE THIS COMPANY! I'M DONE!" ranting.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Aug 18, 2013 22:22:49 GMT -5
f*** the WWE
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Post by molson5 on Aug 18, 2013 22:22:50 GMT -5
Best thing for Bryan's career right now is to be the top face in the company chasing a Vince McMahon-endorsed heel. But doesn't it require for him to come out on top? Because knowing the consistency of WWE booking, my belief is that the honor will be bestowed upon Cena to end Triple H's reign of terra. Maybe, though I tend to think Bryan will win eventually. But either way, Bryan's still having great matches and involved in huge angles. Why isn't this enough to at least the enjoy the product? Why does he have to be the undisputed #1 guy at all times and have no weaknesses? I don't understand this mindset. Ricky Steamboat was my favorite WWF wrestler growing up in the 80s, somehow I managed to appreciate him even though he wasn't booked to beat the top guy in the company and be in multiple main events. Bryan does that and somehow it's not enough for some people to even enjoy his work. If someone's a fan of the guy, has followed him since ROH and all that, and they can't enjoy this amazing run in the world's biggest company because he's not being booked to their exact specifications, they're missing out big time, because he's doing a lot of great stuff all the time.
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Post by BRV on Aug 18, 2013 22:22:56 GMT -5
Even going back to 2003-04 and the so-called Reign of Doom or whatever it was called, I've always felt Triple H works much better as a heel. And since he's become an on-screen corporate character, we've never had him as a heel, it's always been as an aloof face who is "doing what's best for the fans and the business." Well now he can say screw the fans and screw the business. I'm actually somewhat interested in what Triple H has to say tomorrow night, which, as recently as 30 minutes ago, were words that I didn't think were possible to form together in a sentence.
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Post by Krazee on Aug 18, 2013 22:22:58 GMT -5
it was a fantastic match, and even though the cash in pissed me off, in the end i thought it was great
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Aug 18, 2013 22:23:17 GMT -5
Honestly, this has a feel like McMahon/Austin from mid-late '98. Vince did everything he possibly could to get the belt off of Austin, and once he did, try to make sure he wouldn't become champion again. There have already been some signs of that (Maddox screwing Bryan last week, Vince on Smackdown), and it all lead to Austin regaining the title at Wrestlemania. Now I'm not saying it'll be exactly like that, but I get a sense that this is the direction its going to go down. Except for the HUGE difference is Austin got his moment. Imagine if right after Austin stunners HBK at mania and wins the title he stands up, gets his hand raised by Tyson and then punched in the face while Taker trots down and takes the title after a Tyson fast count. NOBODY would have called that good booking and been praising them for it. This is just an excuse to return to what's comfortable for Vince, because he doesn't need to appease fans anymore. Its not like people will turn over to TNA.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 18, 2013 22:23:52 GMT -5
Ok, excitement on Bryan vs. Evolution 2.0 aside...what did everyone think about the match?
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Post by Rolent Tex on Aug 18, 2013 22:24:24 GMT -5
Is it too late to call Triple H installing Shawn Michaels as guest ref for Bryan/Orton just for HBK to side with his former student?
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Post by Arrow on Aug 18, 2013 22:24:41 GMT -5
The only thing that I don't like about this result is that it will lead to more endless Triple H and McMahon funny business. I would've much rather preferred a spiteful Cena, bitter about losing his title, turns on Bryan, allowing Orton to capitalize on the opportunity. But whatever, the company now has the most over babyface they've had in a while chasing a champion who will be one of their most hated heels, who is being supported by the corporate machinations. It's got money written all over it. Just keep Kevin Nash and his self-texting ass out of it. I agree with this. What tonight was the best move for Bryan. If he'd won and kept the title, there'd be nowhere else to go from there. But getting screwed, after definitively proving his worth to the audience by beating Cena, allows a good storyline to continue while Bryan still looks strong. He's got the audience's sympathy (I assume), he's got actual bad guys to play off of, and this is an easy story that can possibly be dragged out for months. And I'll certainly be watching Raw tomorrow to see where WWE takes things next. Best of all? This is a chance for it to be BRYAN's story. Not Orton's, not HHH's, not Vince's. All that remains to be seen is if Bryan can continue his momentum and not be overshadowed by the inevitable McMahon drama that's going to result from this. From what I've heard of his popularity these last few months, that shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Aug 18, 2013 22:24:42 GMT -5
It was amazing booking and the crowd were absolutely losing their shit as was I. Pro wrestling done right. All I heard after Orton won was silence. Summerslam 2011: Punk (over like a mofo) beat Cena, Nash Jacknife's Punk, ADR cashes in MITB. Punk jobs to HHH Summerslam 2013: Bryan (over like a mofo) beat Cena, HHH pedigree's Bryan, Orton cashes in MITB. Bryan Anyone see the similarities? WWE is at a crossroads with Bryan. The next few weeks booking will determine if they've pissed the Daniel Bryan fire out, or stuck a rocket up his ass
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 22:25:03 GMT -5
I have said this so many times, but I'll say it again. The MITB has ruined far more stories than it has helped. You can't have a "the boyhood dream has come true!" moment for it. So many wrestlers have had their first title reign via the thing, and now one of them is ruined by it. I imagine some are happy. I'm just not patient enough o sit through months of heel Orton and Triple H to see Bryan get his big moment. Interest killed for me. This. I'm so tired of sitting through months of crap just for some "payoff" that's fleeting at best. What's so wrong with somebody other than Cena being the good-guy fighting champ? They -almost- got there with Punk, but couldn't go through with it. I agree with what you're saying but I think time will tell if this is the exception or the rule. Right now I feel it's the exception, all signs point to this being a fork in the road until Bryan gets his moment on a grander stage, with a more in depth story and if they can keep the momentum going it could be an even bigger moment than tonight. That's not to say that I don't find the Money in the Bank concept completely exhausting at this point. They need to either shelve it, or make a rule that it needs to be cashed in honorably with at least a day's notice, because 9 times out of 10 when a fresh face wins it and cashes in, their reign never catches on and they're seemingly punished afterward for not out of nowhere incurring a new boom period.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 22:25:06 GMT -5
Ok, excitement on Bryan vs. Evolution 2.0 aside...what did everyone think about the match? I'm torn on what I preferred, it or Brock / Lesnar, but awesome. Started out kind of slow but there by the end it got intense as hell and they had me completely hooked.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Aug 18, 2013 22:25:07 GMT -5
Seeing it coming makes it less shocking. I'm not really even upset, I think I'm just happy that Bryan won the belt at SummerSlam. And he actually pinned Cena out of nowhere - clean.
We're gonna get Orton/Bryan and maybe Bryan/HHH out of this. Then, when Cena comes back it's another Cena/Orton program. That'll probably lead us into whatever happens at Wrestlemania 30. Maybe they'll do Cena/Bryan II there? If Bryan's underdog momentum lasts that long, the reaction would be insane. I could easily see Bryan winning next year's Rumble.
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