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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 22:25:36 GMT -5
It was amazing booking and the crowd were absolutely losing their shit as was I. Pro wrestling done right. All I heard after Orton won was silence. Going by a lot of the reactions in the crowd, it was a shocked silence than a dead reaction
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Aug 18, 2013 22:25:51 GMT -5
Honestly, this has a feel like McMahon/Austin from mid-late '98. Vince did everything he possibly could to get the belt off of Austin, and once he did, try to make sure he wouldn't become champion again. There have already been some signs of that (Maddox screwing Bryan last week, Vince on Smackdown), and it all lead to Austin regaining the title at Wrestlemania. Now I'm not saying it'll be exactly like that, but I get a sense that this is the direction its going to go down. Except for the HUGE difference is Austin got his moment. Imagine if right after Austin stunners HBK at mania and wins the title he stands up, gets his hand raised by Tyson and then punched in the face while Taker trots down and takes the title after a Tyson fast count. NOBODY would have called that good booking and been praising them for it. This is just an excuse to return to what's comfortable for Vince, because he doesn't need to appease fans anymore. Its not like people will turn over to TNA. Right. This could have been the Austin treatment, but they ruined it tonight by giving Bryan a reign. Now, much of the excitement of the chase towards the title at WM is gone. I wanted to see him win, but losing would have been better than this.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Aug 18, 2013 22:26:05 GMT -5
If Evolution reforms, perhaps Bryan can reform The Apple. Remember The Apple?
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Post by Perd on Aug 18, 2013 22:27:00 GMT -5
It'd be fine, if I thought the Orton/Bryan feud was going to be front and center. But it won't be, it's going to be the Triple H show. And guess who's going to give Tripe H his comeuppance, when it comes time. Vince "f***ing" McMahon, that's who. Anything involving Bryan and Orton will be secondary. I'll be more than glad if I'm wrong.
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Post by Crimson on Aug 18, 2013 22:27:13 GMT -5
It was amazing booking and the crowd were absolutely losing their shit as was I. Pro wrestling done right. All I heard after Orton won was silence. Summerslam 2011: Punk (over like a mofo) beat Cena, Nash Jacknife's Punk, ADR cashes in MITB. Punk jobs to HHH Summerslam 2013: Bryan (over like a mofo) beat Cena, HHH pedigree's Bryan, Orton cashes in MITB. Bryan Anyone see the similarities? WWE is at a crossroads with Bryan. The next few weeks booking will determine if they've pissed the Daniel Bryan fire out, or stuck a rocket up his ass And then after the Triple H feud Punk went on to have a year+ long WWE title reign. Who else do they have to book in Bryan's place? Cena and Sheamus are out on injury, Punk is locked in a feud with Heyman/Lesnar, Ryback is no longer a face. Bryan is literally their only horse in the race, and he pinned Cena clean. He's not going to get buried.
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Post by Sc on Aug 18, 2013 22:27:15 GMT -5
I'm fully ok with this ending. D-Bry gets a clean win over the biggest name in WWE and looks like he has THE feud leading into Wrestlemania if they extend Orton/Bryan that long. Doubt it. I see him getting the title back at Survivor Series. Maybe Orton will then challenge Bryan until Royal Rumble and whoever wins the Rumble will be the next challenger for Orton or Bryan leading into WrestleMania. The WWE Title match wont be the top main feud at WrestleMania.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 18, 2013 22:27:30 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts I had:
I hope Bryan continues to use that running knee strike as an alternate finish. It's something he can hit on any opponent and it gives him a way to win matches when WWE may not want his opponent to tap-out.
Will Orton have custom sideplates or will we finally have a WWE Champion who uses the default WWE logo sideplates?
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Aug 18, 2013 22:27:33 GMT -5
I need an Evolutiorporation shirt ASAP
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Post by fw91 on Aug 18, 2013 22:27:38 GMT -5
kinda interesting how mania will playout even though it is months away. where will the big names fit in after tonight? (Cena,Taker,Punk, Lesnar, Bryan, HHH, Rock, Orton?)
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Post by gnr123 on Aug 18, 2013 22:27:43 GMT -5
If this lead's to a bigger win (possibly at WrestleMania) after month's of getting screwed by the corporation, than I'm al for it.
If we get Randy Orton/John Cena 15 out of this, than WWE just made a big mistake.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 18, 2013 22:27:44 GMT -5
All I heard after Orton won was silence. Going by a lot of the reactions in the crowd, it was a shocked silence than a dead reaction Yet the fans popped for the entrance and counted along for the 3.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Aug 18, 2013 22:28:53 GMT -5
I really can't be mad because the story was so well done and this inspires confidence for the rest of the storyline. Sometimes, when a wrestler loses, there's no clear reason as to why he lost except "Eh, we didn't feel like letting him win." This is the case with Christian vs Del Rio, for example. Not that there was much of a reason for him to win, mind you, but there was no story guiding a win or a loss so my emotional reaction is as valid as anything else because there's no storyline to care about, nothing to make me feel like the loss was part of a carefully planned arc. So the inner mark in me calls bullshit, like when you are playing a game and the computer cheats to get critical hits on you.
But this? This was perfect. Sometimes the WWE wants the viewer to hate a heel because he beats a face we like and fail miserably because the writing is so transparent we can't hate the heel; we hate the writer who wrote this dumb scenario. Sometimes it's because a wrestler is suddenly booked strongly without justification after jobbing for a long time, sometimes it's because his (and his opponent's) motivation to win hasn't been established, it all adds up into one transparent story where we can almost see the man behind the curtain. But this time, this time it was different. Triple H's character was built for...weeks, to the point that his actions actually imply he has a motivation for what he did that we will find out soon. Orton's "I don't give a damn about anyone" character was executed perfectly, and Bryan's passion for winning was established.
What I'm getting at is, when the cashing in happened, I wasn't thinking "SCREW YOU WRITERS!" I was thinking "SCREW YOU HHH AND ORTON!" because the writing was good enough to not feel out of character or lacking explanation. I really enjoyed that because it's so...rare to see it in wrestling, you know? maybe this will lead to a horrible place, but I'll enjoy how well done it was for now. You can make an argument that HHH just "had to insert himself there" and maybe that's true. But if it is, he sure as hell did an amazing job at inserting himself in the angle - way better than with Punk.
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Post by botchingitup on Aug 18, 2013 22:29:31 GMT -5
Except for the HUGE difference is Austin got his moment. Imagine if right after Austin stunners HBK at mania and wins the title he stands up, gets his hand raised by Tyson and then punched in the face while Taker trots down and takes the title after a Tyson fast count. NOBODY would have called that good booking and been praising them for it. This is just an excuse to return to what's comfortable for Vince, because he doesn't need to appease fans anymore. Its not like people will turn over to TNA. This is a different time, and I don't mean the business direction. MITB didn't exist then. False-starts related to that didn't exist then. The most they could do to book it was screwing Austin out of title shot after title shot. If the same possibilities existed then in terms of gimmicks, you can bet your ass either Austin or The Rock would go through some kind of false-start. (Radio, the match was amazing)
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Post by CM Dazz on Aug 18, 2013 22:29:31 GMT -5
It was amazing booking and the crowd were absolutely losing their shit as was I. Pro wrestling done right. All I heard after Orton won was silence. Summerslam 2011: Punk (over like a mofo) beat Cena, Nash Jacknife's Punk, ADR cashes in MITB. Punk jobs to HHH Summerslam 2013: Bryan (over like a mofo) beat Cena, HHH pedigree's Bryan, Orton cashes in MITB. Bryan Anyone see the similarities? WWE is at a crossroads with Bryan. The next few weeks booking will determine if they've pissed the Daniel Bryan fire out, or stuck a rocket up his ass That was stunned silence I'm sure, not apathy. More of a WTF just happened???
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Post by mysterydriver on Aug 18, 2013 22:31:34 GMT -5
It really feels like a waste of an accomplishment. I'm just...I don't know...the kind of person who wants a title win to mean more than "I got confetti and a Pedigree! Wheeeee!" This amazing achievement. On a "Boyhood Dream" comparison, this one managed to be shorter and more disappointing than a botched wet one.
I would have honestly preferred for Bryan to get Cena in the Yes Lock, continuously putting it on until finally Cena passes out from the pain, refusing to tap. Triple H goes to drop Cena's arm. One. Two. Orton bashes Bryan in the head with the briefcase. DQ win for Bryan.
Orton cashes in and immediately pins Cena, signifying that Bryan had truly won and Bryan could later get his defining win over Orton and a build-up title defense against Cena at Wrestlemania. But that's arm-chair booking and as useless as it gets. Either way, it's a disappointing means to an end when it would be more fun to just have a man win his first world title with a clean victory over the Hogan of his generation.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 18, 2013 22:32:09 GMT -5
also interesting to see how/when does cm punk get back in the title picture.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 18, 2013 22:32:23 GMT -5
kinda interesting how mania will playout even though it is months away. where will the big names fit in after tonight? (Cena,Taker,Punk, Lesnar, Bryan, HHH, Rock, Orton?) Bryan vs. Orton Cena takes time off for surgery, comes back in time for Survivor Series. Probably Orton/HHH vs. Bryan/Cena. Punk probably continues feud with Lesnar. Rock won't be back until Wrestlemania time, if that. Likewise with Taker.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 18, 2013 22:32:56 GMT -5
I can't wait until HHH cuts the promo about Daniel Bryan tomorrow that doesn't subtly build up Bryan and get him more over as a wronged hero, but rather tears holes in him instead and deconstructs everything about him that doesn't work. Oh, and then pins him at Night of Champions to build "heat". Oh, ya, then never returns the favor.
See, that's my problem. HHH has no idea how, as a heel, to make you care about the babyface's plight. He tells you guys are terrible or unworthy, then wins anyway nine times out of ten, proving his point. He never took a page from his hero Ric Flair's book and puts dudes over as awesome, while of course putting himself over. I remember Flair selling Ricky Morton as a serious threat in the mid 80's, then everyone biting on the near-falls of the match. HHH, in that role, would say that Ricky was too small, had a terrible body, and could barely cut it in tags. Then he'd pin him clean with a pedigree.
For now, I'll give HHH the benefit of the doubt. But history makes me think I should know better.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 18, 2013 22:33:14 GMT -5
also interesting to see how/when does cm punk get back in the title picture. I heard somewhere the early plan was for Punk to win the Rumble.
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Post by Sparkybob on Aug 18, 2013 22:33:17 GMT -5
For the haters out there, once they bring out a drunk Ric Flair to cut a live promo for you to become believers.
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