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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 11:34:08 GMT -5
It was dumb as hell and actually a bit uncomfortable to watch. I don't understand how calling out someone in the crowd is supposed to be tough at all. It's just classic pro wrestling. Ric Flair, Roddy Piper, the Dudleys, they all made regular work out of doing that stuff. As someone who's actually been verbally assaulted by Bubba Ray Dudley at an ECW show as a teenager, I can tell you that it was the most fun I had all night. Having one of the wrestlers go off on you is so much fun because it makes you part of the show. Look at that guy's face when Punk was yelling at him. He was laughing and grinning from ear to ear. Frankly I don't care about how the fan felt. I only shared how I felt watching it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 21, 2013 12:03:04 GMT -5
I thought it was hilarious an admitted misanthropic asshole who also agreed and laughed as Christian Bale tore into that lighting guy a few years back. My best friend still busts out a spot on Bale "Oh good for you.." on occasion.
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Post by doinkmark on Aug 21, 2013 12:20:46 GMT -5
I just love that there actually was a fan. I thought Punk was just calling out some invisible guy in the crowd to show how angry his character still was over Heyman. I remember Mike Awesome telling a similar story in WCW about him having to point out some fan with a sign who didn't exist. Anyway, I don't get challenging fans to a fight. It's one thing to insult them back and hopefully shut them up - every stand-up comedian who gets heckled tries to do that. But challenging someone to a fight when everyone knows darn well they can't jump the railing even if they wanted to just seems like a cowardly heel move. And if they do jump the railing, you're asking for trouble either way. So it's lose/lose, why encourage that?
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Turd Ferguson
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Aug 21, 2013 12:27:05 GMT -5
Too tame. I was hoping he'd go into the audience and beat the f*** out of somebody again.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Aug 21, 2013 12:31:06 GMT -5
I didn't even notice that when I watched RAW. As usual I didn't really pay THAT much attention and was online and chatting during the show. Only by reading the deleted thread I noticed that he wasn't talking to Heyman, but to that fan who was merely booing him. I guess Punk isn't really a babyface, but rather something inbetween like Orton used to be. Orton seems like a psycho and not very likeable in person and Punk is even worse in that category. He seems like a self-righteous douchehole and he keeps his character close to that. It might be a good thing, since many wrestlers were at their best when being an exaggerated version of their real selves. At least the fat fan took it lightly and laughed about it. However, as Triple H/Vince I wouldn't trust the guy to be to top guy of my promotion. Daniel Bryan seems WAY more professional and fills in Punk's smark hero role just as good. You seriously didn't notice Punk yelling at someone in the crowd for five minutes and the fans going nuts? Jesus, why even bother watching the show in the first place??
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Post by jemtruman on Aug 21, 2013 12:42:49 GMT -5
The "fan" in question was also sitting right next to Extreme Lesnar Fan (you know exactly which guy I'm talking about) so my guess is that he was more of a plant-- not to say that he isn't just a regular joe, but that he was probably approached before the show, or the group was, and was asked if Punk could use them as part of the promo.
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Post by zeez on Aug 21, 2013 13:46:55 GMT -5
I guess skinny fat is still better than fat fat.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Aug 21, 2013 13:56:42 GMT -5
I would have loved if the guy started to approach the ring. Security could have stopped him and he could have called Punk out for being a tough guy and hiding. I like Punk, but he's such a diva it would have been fun for someone to take him up on his chest puffing and see him be protected. Hurt his pride ya know? Don't take this as hating punk, I just think the guy should have backed up his side of it even to the smallest degree. Even as a Punk fan, that'd have been hilarious: Having Punk play tough guy while doing nothing to stop security from keeping the guy from jumping the rail. Yanno, 'cause he's spoiling for a fight so bad but not bad enough to keep security from doing their job. Also, if this really was all because big dude called him boring, he's a hell of a lot more sensitive than anyone in this thread. Some crowds'll like him, some crowds won't; a grown-ass man with twelve years in the business doesn't need to be catching feels every time he gets the latter.
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Post by Perd on Aug 21, 2013 14:11:31 GMT -5
It was great. In fact I want Punk to insult a fan's appearance every week. Next Monday he insults a guy with a big head, the Monday after a guy with big ears, and so on.
In short he should become wrestlings version of Don Rickles.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Aug 21, 2013 14:26:39 GMT -5
First time I've watched a whole Raw in a while and that made uncomfortable viewing for me. The way Punk was challenging him made me want to see Punk get his ass kicked.
People have mentioned other guys doing it but they were all heels, The Dudleys used to get massive heel heat in ECW when they went off on one like Punk on Monday.
I'd take Cena's nonchalance over whatever the hell that was.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 21, 2013 16:01:05 GMT -5
I found it amusing. Though I think the fan was booing Heyman's name, rather than Punk
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 16:06:49 GMT -5
It was funny, it fit with Punk's mindset in regards to the promo/angle with Heyman/Axel and it was a fitting addition to an insane and chaotic episode of Raw.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Aug 21, 2013 16:51:22 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about it, but I think the reason why it got such a big reaction and got the fans so fired up was how, for lack of a better term, "indy-riffic" it was.
This is exactly what CM Punk would do all the time in IWA Mid-South or ROH. There are all sorts of videos. The "invisible mic" promo. The time he called out to a heckler "I hope your parents die!" It is something that NEVER happens in the WWE, because the WWE has such a big-time, sports arena atmosphere that it's so rare to get such a sense of spontaneity and intimacy that you'd see with indy-style fan interactions. I'm sure a lot of fans in the arena had never seen anything like it before.
I think that promo on RAW sums up perfectly why CM Punk is such a double-edged sword for the WWE. On one hand, he's giving the fans an unpredictability and gritty realism that most of them had never seen from a wrestling show in recent years, and giving them a feel of an edgy alternative to the sanitized product they've had for so long. It's the promo equivalent of ECW-style hardcore matches first showing up on RAW in the 90's.
But it also demonstrates perfectly why the WWE is of two minds about the guy. I've gradually been coming around to see WWE's perspective of things, and not just dismiss them as the evil corporate empire. Their superstars reflect their company, and serve as the face for their organization. Putting aside wrestling talent or what their characters are like, who would they rather pick as the Face of the WWE? Thick-skinned, reliable, loyal, always-shows-up-with-his-game-face-on John Cena? Or volatile, hyper-sensitive, brutally honest, at times stupidly tactless "If I'm pissed off, I'll say it, and screw the consequences, because my talent means that I deserve the best" CM Punk?
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Post by metylerca on Aug 21, 2013 17:27:36 GMT -5
Plus the guy was being fat and loud and had it coming. I was not that far from where he was. That section also got a "Cena <3's scat" sign taken away. They didn't go to only watch the show. People like that could use a verbal paddlin' every now and then.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 21, 2013 18:28:03 GMT -5
Times like this, we really need the News and Notes thread for the week to come yesterday.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 21, 2013 18:36:38 GMT -5
Punk was just B ing A Star A SOLID B.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 19:01:27 GMT -5
I thought it was really awesome. It was like a comic that gets heckled, and turns it around on the guy. He tied it into his storyline perfectly as well. That stuff should be encouraged.
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Post by SenorCrest on Aug 21, 2013 19:07:07 GMT -5
I liked it, it was funny and such. In fact I liked that Paul Heyman used The Fat Guy in the Front Row in his promo. I don't get what is the big deal about? What was so uncomfortable about it? Punk was pissed he got screwed over at SummerSlam and some guy said the wrong thing at the wrong time. Plus The Fat Guy from Front row wasn't even mad.
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Post by Sektor on Aug 21, 2013 19:31:59 GMT -5
It was manufactured, the guy knew it was manufactured, and it added a lot to the promo. I thought it was great. I certainly don't know how you can acknowledge that he's in character and also say that this is part of who he is as a person.
Also the "faces need to act like faces" argument is silly, because I just want wrestlers to do things that make sense in-character and be entertaining about it. If every face was required to be a choir boy, we never would've gotten Stone Cold, or The Rock, or Punk. Not to mention that the idea of what a face is is completely arbitrary, and different for everyone. The crowd decides what wrestlers are, and even WWE knows that.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 21, 2013 19:32:24 GMT -5
I liked it, it was funny and such. In fact I liked that Paul Heyman used The Fat Guy in the Front Row in his promo. I don't get what is the big deal about? What was so uncomfortable about it? Punk was pissed he got screwed over at SummerSlam and some guy said the wrong thing at the wrong time. Plus The Fat Guy from Front row wasn't even mad. Stop it with your common sense and reason!
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