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Post by Malcolm on Aug 21, 2013 22:11:16 GMT -5
you so crazy. Face Austin would do it and it was glorious. I guess that's why I'm one of the few people who never really liked Austin. It makes the fans look useless when the face just ridicules and insults them, then the fans just cheer him on. You might as well not even bother. You should just spare yourself the headache and just live and let live... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 22:12:12 GMT -5
you so crazy. Face Austin would do it and it was glorious. I guess that's why I'm one of the few people who never really liked Austin. It makes the fans look useless when the face just ridicules and insults them, then the fans just cheer him on. Yeah - I mean, it was just one fan that all the other fans were basically happy to see get taken down a peg by Punk. He didn't do the broad, sweeping heel stuff that most do where they insult the entire town or whatever - just one guy. I thought it worked to show how on-edge Punk was, overcome with rage and emotion at his SS loss. It was an unconventional way for a performer to do that - rather than the usual stuff we see on WWE. But y'know, diff strokes yo. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 21, 2013 22:51:29 GMT -5
Just for the record, the promo wasn't amusing because the dude was fat. It was amusing because of Punk's vitriol. I suspect some of the detractors towards it are overweight themselves, and are relating to the fan as an avatar which is absurd. He was annoying because he was annoying. Not because he was fat. (The rest either hate Punk already and are latching onto this, or like to hear the sound of their own "offended" voices.)
If it had been some bean-pole out there and Punk told him to go eat a few sandwiches, I'd have found it just as amusing. It stood out -- not because it was clever or a great promo. It stood out because Punk was mad in a way that transcended the usual contrived nature of wrestling. It was believable that someone that disappointed and furious would lash out at some annoying tool. And there just so happened to be one right there. It was great TV.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 0:03:02 GMT -5
Just for the record, the promo wasn't amusing because the dude was fat. It was amusing because of Punk's vitriol. I suspect some of the detractors towards it are overweight themselves, and are relating to the fan as an avatar which is absurd. He was annoying because he was annoying. Not because he was fat. (The rest either hate Punk already and are latching onto this, or like to hear the sound of their own "offended" voices.) C'mon, you know this is horseshit. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 22, 2013 0:10:26 GMT -5
With the beanpole/fat comparison, I know wish there were two guys there that Punk coulda went off of; possibly making some oddly out of date Laurel and Hardy reference.
I guess what I'm saying is, I want a Punk that's angry and out of touch with pop culture by eighty years or so.
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Post by sybaku on Aug 22, 2013 0:58:07 GMT -5
With the beanpole/fat comparison, I know wish there were two guys there that Punk coulda went off of; possibly making some oddly out of date Laurel and Hardy reference. I guess what I'm saying is, I want a Punk that's angry and out of touch with pop culture by eighty years or so. A egocentric whiny out of touch douchbag gimmick? So basically you just want Punk to become Hot Topic-Vince McMahon? |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 22, 2013 1:04:14 GMT -5
Just for the record, the promo wasn't amusing because the dude was fat. It was amusing because of Punk's vitriol. I suspect some of the detractors towards it are overweight themselves, and are relating to the fan as an avatar which is absurd. He was annoying because he was annoying. Not because he was fat. (The rest either hate Punk already and are latching onto this, or like to hear the sound of their own "offended" voices.) C'mon, you know this is horseshit. It sure seemed that way in the other thread. The detractors were either A) offended that others weren't offended, (and doing so for 12 pages) or preceded their posts with the usual stereotypical burial of Punk and his fanbase before even stating their strawman points. Based on that, it was an obvious conclusion to me. But that was the other thread. This one has been a lot more rational (your stance as well) so far. The professionally offended types have bowed out thankfully. |
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Post by sybaku on Aug 22, 2013 1:04:57 GMT -5
Just for the record, the promo wasn't amusing because the dude was fat. It was amusing because of Punk's vitriol. I suspect some of the detractors towards it are overweight themselves, and are relating to the fan as an avatar which is absurd. He was annoying because he was annoying. Not because he was fat. (The rest either hate Punk already and are latching onto this, or like to hear the sound of their own "offended" voices.) C'mon, you know this is horseshit. I gotta agree with him on this, I don't understand how anyone can truly be offended, I've even seen comments like,"I don't care if the fan wasn't offended, I was", it's a TV show..... The guy seemed to enjoy it, being fat isn't something like race or sexual orientation you can't change (with the exception of maybe 3% of people who literally can't help but gain weight, it's a feature no different than Punk saying,"Hey you with the yellow shirt, you yellow shirt wearing asshole, I hate you". It really seems like a combination of people needing to complain and the old "If Punk did it" adage. "Hey Punk yelled at a fan, now I can justify calling him a pompous prick, quick to the Internet to complain!" I'm not saying this is your particular frame of mind, just what I assume is the prevailing thought process that went into this thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 1:17:16 GMT -5
C'mon, you know this is horseshit. It sure seemed that way in the other thread. The detractors were either A) offended that others weren't offended, (and doing so for 12 pages) or preceded their posts with the usual stereotypical burial of Punk and his fanbase before even stating their strawman points. Based on that, it was an obvious conclusion to me. But that was the other thread. This one has been a lot more rational (your stance as well) so far. The professionally offended types have bowed out thankfully. That seems to have been the miscommunication. I never stepped foot in the other thread and your comment seemed like it was trying to dismiss everyone who had a negative reaction to the promo in this thread. Your explanation here makes a bit more sense to me, in that I can understand where your point of view is coming from. EDIT: C'mon, you know this is horseshit. I gotta agree with him on this, I don't understand how anyone can truly be offended, I've even seen comments like,"I don't care if the fan wasn't offended, I was", it's a TV show..... The guy seemed to enjoy it, being fat isn't something like race or sexual orientation you can't change (with the exception of maybe 3% of people who literally can't help but gain weight, it's a feature no different than Punk saying,"Hey you with the yellow shirt, you yellow shirt wearing asshole, I hate you". It really seems like a combination of people needing to complain and the old "If Punk did it" adage. "Hey Punk yelled at a fan, now I can justify calling him a pompous prick, quick to the Internet to complain!" I'm not saying this is your particular frame of mind, just what I assume is the prevailing thought process that went into this thread. Thing is, the "I don't care if the fan was offended" was probably my post haha. Look, if you really can't see how someone could be offended, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that. I just get annoyed when people try to paint everyone who has a particular opinion with a specific brush (apparently we're all sad fatties, stubborn Punk haters, and/or professional complainers). If you're mostly referencing the old thread then I can't really comment on that. It seems like people are focusing more on the guy being fat, which is something I never pointed out (not saying you're attacking/accusing me, just saying). It just made me legit uncomfortable to see Punk puffing his chest out to a fan who dared to boo him because it seemed so petty to me. |
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Post by sybaku on Aug 22, 2013 1:30:35 GMT -5
It sure seemed that way in the other thread. The detractors were either A) offended that others weren't offended, (and doing so for 12 pages) or preceded their posts with the usual stereotypical burial of Punk and his fanbase before even stating their strawman points. Based on that, it was an obvious conclusion to me. But that was the other thread. This one has been a lot more rational (your stance as well) so far. The professionally offended types have bowed out thankfully. That seems to have been the miscommunication. I never stepped foot in the other thread and your comment seemed like it was trying to dismiss everyone who had a negative reaction to the promo in this thread. Your explanation here makes a bit more sense to me, in that I can understand where your point of view is coming from. EDIT: I gotta agree with him on this, I don't understand how anyone can truly be offended, I've even seen comments like,"I don't care if the fan wasn't offended, I was", it's a TV show..... The guy seemed to enjoy it, being fat isn't something like race or sexual orientation you can't change (with the exception of maybe 3% of people who literally can't help but gain weight, it's a feature no different than Punk saying,"Hey you with the yellow shirt, you yellow shirt wearing asshole, I hate you". It really seems like a combination of people needing to complain and the old "If Punk did it" adage. "Hey Punk yelled at a fan, now I can justify calling him a pompous prick, quick to the Internet to complain!" I'm not saying this is your particular frame of mind, just what I assume is the prevailing thought process that went into this thread. Thing is, the "I don't care if the fan was offended" was probably my post haha. Look, if you really can't see how someone could be offended, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that. I just get annoyed when people try to paint everyone who has a particular opinion with a specific brush (apparently we're all sad fatties, stubborn Punk haters, and/or professional complainers). If you're mostly referencing the old thread then I can't really comment on that. It seems like people are focusing more on the guy being fat, which is something I never pointed out (not saying you're attacking/accusing me, just saying). It just made me legit uncomfortable to see Punk puffing his chest out to a fan who dared to boo him because it seemed so petty to me. I agree it seemed odd when it happened but after thinking about it, it sorta made sense what with Punk being so pissed, but honesty I think the guy was a plant, regardless the live crowd ate it up so I guess there's that |
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 22, 2013 1:36:09 GMT -5
You know, just a thought that I'm throwing out there. Just because the fan put on a brave face in person and laughed it off doesn't mean it didn't hurt him internally. A lot of people cope with being insulted that way.
That seriously is just food for thought. I'm not necessarily taking either side as I'm still thinking about this. I've written and then deleted at few like four paragraph posts about this already because I'm not really sure what I think. Its just one little possibility that I've included in every attempted post.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 22, 2013 1:41:24 GMT -5
Also I find the whole "fat is something you can control" thing really f***ing annoying. Its a huge misunderstanding of what leads to obesity. Like there are a lot of emotional things that lead to obesity, and fat-shaming does nothing but make those problems worse. Everyone thinks that if you shame the fatties enough they'll eventually be motivated to lose weight but usually it just makes their emotional problems worse. Can we please cut it with that shit like there's a ton of material out there explaining why fat is about as much of a choice as anorexia, drug addiction, or depression so please like educate yourselves before talking like you know something.
Thats the other thing I for sure want to say.
Edit: Sorry that that was a really bad unsourced and emotionally driven response to this I really don't have the energy to give you a more cogent reply with sources and shit but really like I thought this was common knowledge by now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 1:55:48 GMT -5
That seems to have been the miscommunication. I never stepped foot in the other thread and your comment seemed like it was trying to dismiss everyone who had a negative reaction to the promo in this thread. Your explanation here makes a bit more sense to me, in that I can understand where your point of view is coming from. EDIT: Thing is, the "I don't care if the fan was offended" was probably my post haha. Look, if you really can't see how someone could be offended, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that. I just get annoyed when people try to paint everyone who has a particular opinion with a specific brush (apparently we're all sad fatties, stubborn Punk haters, and/or professional complainers). If you're mostly referencing the old thread then I can't really comment on that. It seems like people are focusing more on the guy being fat, which is something I never pointed out (not saying you're attacking/accusing me, just saying). It just made me legit uncomfortable to see Punk puffing his chest out to a fan who dared to boo him because it seemed so petty to me. I agree it seemed odd when it happened but after thinking about it, it sorta made sense what with Punk being so pissed, but honesty I think the guy was a plant, regardless the live crowd ate it up so I guess there's that Yeah, it's not like I'm sitting here stewing about it days later. It's just that it really rubbed me the wrong way as I was watching it. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 22, 2013 2:03:11 GMT -5
C'mon, you know this is horseshit. I gotta agree with him on this, I don't understand how anyone can truly be offended, I've even seen comments like,"I don't care if the fan wasn't offended, I was", it's a TV show..... The guy seemed to enjoy it, being fat isn't something like race or sexual orientation you can't change (with the exception of maybe 3% of people who literally can't help but gain weight, it's a feature no different than Punk saying," Hey you with the yellow shirt, you yellow shirt wearing asshole, I hate you". It really seems like a combination of people needing to complain and the old "If Punk did it" adage. "Hey Punk yelled at a fan, now I can justify calling him a pompous prick, quick to the Internet to complain!" I'm not saying this is your particular frame of mind, just what I assume is the prevailing thought process that went into this thread.  |
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Post by Mista T on Aug 22, 2013 2:04:29 GMT -5
Fat Boy had fun.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 22, 2013 2:13:12 GMT -5
I guess that's the main problem I've had with the professionally offended brigade. You could interview said fan and hear that he loved being targeted by Punk, and there'd still be a contingent of these strange, self-involved people offended that he isn't. Like somehow the "victim" not feeling like a victim, makes him wrong. They want him to feel what they feel from their foreign, detached perch. It makes no sense. If the person who's being targeted is fine with something, why do you think that YOU have the right to be offended for him? Who are you? In this case, why does your opinion even matter at all? Save your grief and sorrow for people that actually are victims and need defending. |
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Post by Toxik916 on Aug 22, 2013 2:15:16 GMT -5
As a fat guy and resident CM Punk hater I found nothing wrong with what happened in this promo. I love when wrestlers interact with the crowd and from the looks of it the fan seemed to really enjoy it.
With that being said, how much does dat fella weigh?
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Post by Mista T on Aug 22, 2013 2:18:29 GMT -5
I guess that's the main problem I've had with the professionally offended brigade. You could interview said fan and hear that he loved being targeted by Punk, and there'd still be a contingent of these strange, self-involved people offended that he isn't. Like somehow the "victim" not feeling like a victim, makes him wrong. They want him to feel what they feel from their foreign, detached perch. It makes no sense. If the person who's being targeted is fine with something, why do you think that YOU have the right to be offended for him? Who are you? In this case, why does your opinion even matter at all? Save your grief and sorrow for people that actually are victims and need defending. But WE MUST ridicule Punk's action no matter what the victim felt, or what Punk is doing for the live audience! Punk's a big meanie dumb head baddie man.  |
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 22, 2013 2:34:00 GMT -5
I guess that's the main problem I've had with the professionally offended brigade. You could interview said fan and hear that he loved being targeted by Punk, and there'd still be a contingent of these strange, self-involved people offended that he isn't. Like somehow the "victim" not feeling like a victim, makes him wrong. They want him to feel what they feel from their foreign, detached perch. It makes no sense. If the person who's being targeted is fine with something, why do you think that YOU have the right to be offended for him? Who are you? In this case, why does your opinion even matter at all? Save your grief and sorrow for people that actually are victims and need defending. I think you're misreading what the "professionally offended brigade" is going for here. I mean I'm not saying that noone is doing as you describe I guess, but really most of them are probably coming from somewhere entirely different. What the people who are offended are saying isn't "I'm offended so the victim should be offended too". They're saying "fat-shaming/body-shaming/weight based bullying are not ok, and just because one guy genuinely got over it does not make it ok because there are plenty of other people out there who didn't go over it". Bullies and proponents of the idea that "offended" is a dirty word like to cart out specific examples that in their mind discredit a much bigger problem. Using the micro to discredit the macro. Personally I'm proud of the fan for being able to take Punk's remarks in stride and have good humor about it. Its great. But that doesn't mean that body-shaming isn't a problem and you can't just say "oh he's not offended so NOONE should be". I don't think anyone's mad that the "victim" isn't as offended as they are and if they are thats stupid as well. I think they're saying that him being offended or not has no bearing on the larger issue Punk's comments brought up. Though hell I never saw the old thread and I have no idea of body-shaming was even part of the discussion. I just know thats how I personally react to the discussion. |
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Post by celticjobber on Aug 22, 2013 2:34:18 GMT -5
I guess that's the main problem I've had with the professionally offended brigade. You could interview said fan and hear that he loved being targeted by Punk, and there'd still be a contingent of these strange, self-involved people offended that he isn't. Like somehow the "victim" not feeling like a victim, makes him wrong. They want him to feel what they feel from their foreign, detached perch. It makes no sense. If the person who's being targeted is fine with something, why do you think that YOU have the right to be offended for him? Who are you? In this case, why does your opinion even matter at all? Save your grief and sorrow for people that actually are victims and need defending. Why do you keep bringing up the "professionally offended brigade"? Such a thing doesn't exist and is only a tactic used to smear and demean people who have a legitimate opinion that you happen to disagree with. Did you ever think that maybe some of us actually have compassion for other people? Even those who are --  overweight? As one poster mentioned above, weight isn't something that everyone can just drop and lose. That's a completely ridiculous and out-dated way of thinking. And maybe the guy put on a brave face and laughed it off, but he was really hurting inside. No one really knows. I've been both a little overweight and borderline anorexically thin, and I was actually insulted more for being thin. And trust me, it always hurt when someone would say something about me being "too damn skinny" or "damn, are you anorexic". I'm really shocked that so many people on this board (who are generally very tolerant of those different from them) are being so callous and downright bullying with your attitudes about this. CM Punk was being intolerant, bullying, and a total asshole when he said that. I don't care what anyone else thinks, and I'm through discussing the matter. But I had to get this off my chest, as one of the so-called "professionally offended brigade" (which I'm totally not, I just hate bullying in all forms). |
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