Toates Madhackrviper
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 22, 2013 2:36:02 GMT -5
And for the record I'm a huge Punk fan and only moderately overweight in the way that doesn't really come off as being "fat" and I've never been the victim of extreme body-shaming that I remember, other than a few times my mom handled the subject of my freshman 15ish issues very poorly.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 22, 2013 2:40:05 GMT -5
I guess that's the main problem I've had with the professionally offended brigade. You could interview said fan and hear that he loved being targeted by Punk, and there'd still be a contingent of these strange, self-involved people offended that he isn't. Like somehow the "victim" not feeling like a victim, makes him wrong. They want him to feel what they feel from their foreign, detached perch. It makes no sense. If the person who's being targeted is fine with something, why do you think that YOU have the right to be offended for him? Who are you? In this case, why does your opinion even matter at all? Save your grief and sorrow for people that actually are victims and need defending. Why do you keep bringing up the "professionally offended brigade"? Such a thing doesn't exist and is only a tactic used to smear and demean people who have a legitimate opinion that you happen to disagree with. Did you ever think that maybe some of us actually have compassion for other people? Even those who are -- overweight? As one poster mentioned above, weight isn't something that everyone can just drop and lose. That's a completely ridiculous and out-dated way of thinking. And maybe the guy put on a brave face and laughed it off, but he was really hurting inside. No one really knows. I've been both a little overweight and borderline anorexically thin, and I was actually insulted more for being thin. And trust me, it always hurt when someone would say something about me being "too damn skinny" or "damn, are you anorexic". I'm really shocked that so many people on this board (who are generally very tolerant of those different from them) are being so callous and downright bullying with your attitudes about this. CM Punk was being intolerant, bullying, and a total asshole when he said that. I don't care what anyone else thinks, and I'm through discussing the matter. But I had to get this off my chest, as one of the so-called "professionally offended brigade" (which I'm totally not, I just hate bullying in all forms). You expressed everything I've been trying to get at much better than I could have hoped to, thanks.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 22, 2013 2:52:41 GMT -5
I guess that's the main problem I've had with the professionally offended brigade. You could interview said fan and hear that he loved being targeted by Punk, and there'd still be a contingent of these strange, self-involved people offended that he isn't. Like somehow the "victim" not feeling like a victim, makes him wrong. They want him to feel what they feel from their foreign, detached perch. It makes no sense. If the person who's being targeted is fine with something, why do you think that YOU have the right to be offended for him? Who are you? In this case, why does your opinion even matter at all? Save your grief and sorrow for people that actually are victims and need defending. Why do you keep bringing up the "professionally offended brigade"? Such a thing doesn't exist and is only a tactic used to smear and demean people who have a legitimate opinion that you happen to disagree with. Did you ever think that maybe some of us actually have compassion for other people? Even those who are -- overweight? As one poster mentioned above, weight isn't something that everyone can just drop and lose. That's a completely ridiculous and out-dated way of thinking. And maybe the guy put on a brave face and laughed it off, but he was really hurting inside. No one really knows. I've been both a little overweight and borderline anorexically thin, and I was actually insulted more for being thin. And trust me, it always hurt when someone would say something about me being "too damn skinny" or "damn, are you anorexic". I'm really shocked that so many people on this board (who are generally very tolerant of those different from them) are being so callous and downright bullying with your attitudes about this. CM Punk was being intolerant, bullying, and a total asshole when he said that. I don't care what anyone else thinks, and I'm through discussing the matter. But I had to get this off my chest, as one of the so-called "professionally offended brigade" (which I'm totally not, I just hate bullying in all forms). I agree with the fat-shaming point. I don't think it was necessary in getting his point across -- that being that his character was furious and frustrated over his loss at Summer Slam and here's this guy he finds annoying chirping in the background. The fat thing was an easy target. The crux of the rant I enjoyed however -- him calling out a heckler. Kayfabe aside, if I had a bad day, and someone was annoying me, I'd go off on them too. (and have). And I'd feel justified. As for the bigger picture here, I respect your post and opinion. You explained why you feel offended, how you related, and your reasoning made sense on that front. I guess my defense of the promo wasn't so much his choice of words, but that he did it. It came across raw, real, and unscripted in a world of fake shitty soundbites. And I vehemently believe that no one is entitled to heckle or boo without getting called out on it. Stand up for yourself. Sure. Boo and cheer who you like. But when you're catcalling, you're not anonymous. You have to be ready to take heat. Especially if you're trying to hijack a promo.
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 22, 2013 3:01:48 GMT -5
It was dumb as hell and actually a bit uncomfortable to watch. I don't understand how calling out someone in the crowd is supposed to be tough at all. I thought it was hilarious and deserved. But I am an admitted misanthropic asshole who also agreed and laughed as Christian Bale tore into that lighting guy a few years back. After watching that movie, if it can be called a movie, this year I wished he had directed his frustrations at the writers.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Aug 22, 2013 3:33:36 GMT -5
Wrestler's yelling at fat dudes in the audience is a lost art.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 3:35:45 GMT -5
Wrestler's yelling at fat dudes in the audience is a lost art. Agreed. It should happen way more often.
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Post by Glitch on Aug 22, 2013 3:54:13 GMT -5
Punk also needs to insult the skinny guy in the audience.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Aug 22, 2013 4:03:28 GMT -5
I guess that's the main problem I've had with the professionally offended brigade. You could interview said fan and hear that he loved being targeted by Punk, and there'd still be a contingent of these strange, self-involved people offended that he isn't. Like somehow the "victim" not feeling like a victim, makes him wrong. They want him to feel what they feel from their foreign, detached perch. It makes no sense. If the person who's being targeted is fine with something, why do you think that YOU have the right to be offended for him? Who are you? In this case, why does your opinion even matter at all? Save your grief and sorrow for people that actually are victims and need defending. I have the right to be offended by anything I damn well please. And why does your opinion matter at all either? Why does anybody's? Your opinion is of no higher value than mine or anyone else's as far as I'm concerned. And just so you know, I have more than enough grief and sorrow to go around for anybody that needs it.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Aug 22, 2013 4:11:01 GMT -5
Why do a few people continue to say he deserved it? I didn't even think he booed Punk as he booed just as Punk mentioned Heymans name. Was this fan being obnoxious all night or something that we at home couldn't see or hear?
Also I enjoy wrestlers calling fans out as part of the show it makes the experience all the better I just wish Punk wouldn't have had it centre around the mans weight.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 22, 2013 7:22:03 GMT -5
I'd like to reiterate, a couple of us are only offended by a FACE calling out someone in the audience for a fight that they know they can't accept. That's a heel move if I've ever seen it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 7:47:25 GMT -5
So, have the words, "skinny fatso," come up yet?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 9:02:09 GMT -5
As a fat guy and resident CM Punk hater I found nothing wrong with what happened in this promo. I love when wrestlers interact with the crowd and from the looks of it the fan seemed to really enjoy it. With that being said, how much does dat fella weigh? R.I.P. Art Donovan I like the honesty and objectivity in this post. A lot of people deny being a "hater" of a certain wrestler, yet continually have zero good to say about that wrestler and always see things in the most negative light possible. You went the other way, you admitted you're a hater but you said something positive. Bravo!
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 22, 2013 9:43:00 GMT -5
It did seem like kind of a dick move, but once you put it into perspective, it's actually very fitting for his character. Remember that he just got his ass handed to him by Brock Lesnar, the guy who has basically made him his bitch every single RAW in the lead up to the PPV. He was the Broly to Punk's Vegeta, as Wolf Hurricane previously stated. Then remember that one of his career long rivals, Daniel Bryan, a guy who isn't Best in the World™, but actually is the best wrestler in the world, just did something that Punk never managed to do: beat John Cena clean as a sheet. No interference, no foot under the rope, no dispute, just clean as the morning air one-two-three, proving the difference between a man who calls himself "the best in the world" and a man who has others call him "the best in the world". Then take into account that, since he beat John Cena in 2011, his biggest clean victories have been against, well, Chris Jericho, Alberto Del Rio, Chris Jericho again (after he put over Fandango at WrestleMania). On top of all that, he's gone from being the center of attention, the guy who starts RAW with ten minute, self-fellating promos every week, to the guy who gets squeezed into the second hour somewhere. What we're seeing is a guy who is unsure of his talents, a guy who still calls himself Best in the World™, but whose big losses and betrayals have reduced him to a flaccid, sensitive jerkass with a Napoleon complex who can't back up his talk, reduced to beating on Curtis Axel and screaming at random fans to "fite me IRL", knowing good and damn well security will keep him safe. We're not supposed to be offended or put off, we're supposed to pity him and hope he makes a comeback.
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Post by hossfan on Aug 22, 2013 9:54:33 GMT -5
It did seem like kind of a dick move, but once you put it into perspective, it's actually very fitting for his character. Remember that he just got his ass handed to him by Brock Lesnar, the guy who has basically made him his bitch every single RAW in the lead up to the PPV. He was the Broly to Punk's Vegeta, as Wolf Hurricane previously stated. Then remember that one of his career long rivals, Daniel Bryan, a guy who isn't Best in the World™, but actually is the best wrestler in the world, just did something that Punk never managed to do: beat John Cena clean as a sheet. No interference, no foot under the rope, no dispute, just clean as the morning air one-two-three, proving the difference between a man who calls himself "the best in the world" and a man who has others call him "the best in the world". Then take into account that, since he beat John Cena in 2011, his biggest clean victories have been against, well, Chris Jericho, Alberto Del Rio, Chris Jericho again (after he put over Fandango at WrestleMania). On top of all that, he's gone from being the center of attention, the guy who starts RAW with ten minute, self-fellating promos every week, to the guy who gets squeezed into the second hour somewhere. What we're seeing is a guy who is unsure of his talents, a guy who still calls himself Best in the World™, but whose big losses and betrayals have reduced him to a flaccid, sensitive jerkass with a Napoleon complex who can't back up his talk, reduced to beating on Curtis Axel and screaming at random fans to "fite me IRL", knowing good and damn well security will keep him safe. We're not supposed to be offended or put off, we're supposed to pity him and hope he makes a comeback. I don't think we're expected to pity Punk. We're supposed to think he's edgy and cool for putting some heckler in his place and for going "off script" and not "towing the company" line. It is interesting that on a show where Cena tells the WWE Universe he's going to be gone for 6 months, we see the official formation of Evil Regime #435, and Daniel Bryan gets put over as the babyface in the company, the topic that has generated the longest threads here is CM Punk challenging a fat fan to get in the ring with him. Pretty smart way for him to stay in the limelight.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Aug 22, 2013 16:46:36 GMT -5
It all makes sense now!
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 23, 2013 17:39:28 GMT -5
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