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Post by CrazySting on Aug 22, 2013 18:43:22 GMT -5
Honestly, half the people in here seem to think America is some developing country where Americans have no workplace rights whatsoever.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Aug 22, 2013 19:22:36 GMT -5
Poor guy? I work in construction. If I get hit by a car, they don't pay my medical bills. Its life, you got fired. Get over it. If you get hit by a truck delivering materials to a jobsite while you're on the clock, they do have to pay your medical bills..
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 22, 2013 19:29:01 GMT -5
If this is true, like, I'm flabbergasted. And again, to anyone calling bullshit on this, if people Jesse said one of the fine folks at TNA management who deals with stuff like this shit a live chicken, I would believe Jesse over their denial. This isn't new, and Jesse should find a way to sue them. Like, I'm astounded. Poor guy? I work in construction. If I get hit by a car, they don't pay my medical bills. Its life, you got fired. Get over it. What company do you work for? If I got hit by a truck, WCB would pay for it, but most of the companies are with WCB so this doesn't happen. Companies that don't pay into WCB get ridiculously high insurance costs, like, I'd quit that company, that's just dangerous. You have to work for like, the worst company ever. I'm in construction too, and while the fine folks at PCL are cheap on materials and are robbing the prime contractor with their building practices, I guarantee I would be helped out. I thought PCL was bad, holy shit. Here's what would happen if I got injured on the job site. Now granted, I work in Alberta at the Surmont 2 project, about an hour south of Fort McMurray. Here's what would happen with me. -I would likely be given a light duty job and they would try to accommodate me. -I would get physical therapy paid for by the company/WCB if needed. -If I had a lost time incident, I would be helped out by WCB (Worker's Compensation Board, in Canada anyway) I would be helped out by the company (also likely they don't want the bad press that can come with that, plus most people have the milk of human kindness, unlike TNA). -I would keep my job there and likely maintain my job for a very long time unless I were to quit. It's usually just a good policy to keep guys like that instead of just f***ing them over like they did with Jesse. I'm just pissed now, like, I'm a big worker's rights advocate, and hearing about this makes my blood boil.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 22, 2013 19:34:26 GMT -5
Employers, by law, don't have to pay for workman's comp for independent contractors like they do for employees, which means technically TNA wasn't required by law to pay for any of his injuries since wrestlers are independent contractors.
The problem comes from the fact that independent contractors can, and often do, sue following injuries, and juries tend to favor them. So it's hard to argue that employers aren't liable when independent contractors often get their money anyways.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 22, 2013 19:44:35 GMT -5
And again, to anyone calling bullshit on this, if people Jesse said one of the fine folks at TNA management who deals with stuff like this shit a live chicken, I would believe Jesse over their denial. And that's your problem in this, cause you buy it based on your own biases, instead of actually breaking down the logic of actually s***ing a chicken would pertain and that the human body, for the most part, would not be able to do something like that without the least being severe medical consequences.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 22, 2013 19:46:23 GMT -5
And again, to anyone calling bullshit on this, if people Jesse said one of the fine folks at TNA management who deals with stuff like this shit a live chicken, I would believe Jesse over their denial. And that's your problem in this, cause you buy it based on your own biases, instead of actually breaking down the logic of actually s***ing a chicken would pertain and that the human body, for the most part, would not be able to do something like that without the least being severe medical consequences. Yes, but them denying it would mean I would believe them and that they wouldn't be lying, which is far too difficult. Plus, it's an expression I stole from Jim Cornette, meaning that they are so untrustworthy, that I would believe an absurdity that happened to them before their denial of it.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 22, 2013 19:48:48 GMT -5
And that's your problem in this, cause you buy it based on your own biases, instead of actually breaking down the logic of actually s***ing a chicken would pertain and that the human body, for the most part, would not be able to do something like that without the least being severe medical consequences. Yes, but them denying it would mean I would believe them and that they wouldn't be lying, which is far too difficult.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 22, 2013 19:50:21 GMT -5
Yes, but them denying it would mean I would believe them and that they wouldn't be lying, which is far too difficult. My expression stolen from Jim Cornette can never fail. You would believe TNA over Jesse though?
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Post by SOR on Aug 22, 2013 19:55:32 GMT -5
Sorensen is a jerk off who is exploiting TNA for indy bookings and publicity. He said just a month or so ago he had no issue with TNA and that they had done the right thing by him. Now that he's getting some popularity from them he suddenly is Anti TNA and they were horrible to him etc etc It's like it's his gimmick or something...Oh wait. He couldn't possibly be using this to make money from indy promotions who want him to shoot on TNA or *gasp* feel bad for him. No, of course not. If this is true, TNA needs grow up or someone is going to sue them until they go bankrupt Cannot be sued. Shitty move by TNA IF Sorensen is telling the truth (Which I highly doubt) but as an independent contractor you have no legal foot to stand on. Someone could break their neck and be paralyzed for life and the victim has no legal foot to stand on. Sometimes working as an independent contractor you have access to insurance benefits but I've never heard about that in the wrestling business. But why would he say something that could be easily disputed if there weren't some truth to it? What has been reported: TNA flew in his mom (nice gesture but probably didn't cost much) Gave him a production job for a while (again, nice gesture, but doubtful he was making a ton of cash) TNA "helped out" financially from time to time. Of course, the problem with "helped out" is that it is very vague and if his mom is financial ruin, they obviously didn't help out nearly enough. And anyone calling BS on Sorensen's story needs to remember Daffney, Jesse Neal and Konnan all had similar complaints. All these people are not lying. TNA just don't like paying medical bills. They kept the guy on pay roll for like 2 years and helped out financially not to mention gave the dude a career to fall back on in case he couldn't wrestle ever again. Sorensen could go and be a production runner for major television shows because he has a year or two experience in doing it from an International TV Show. And it's funny how Daffney, Jesse Neal and Konnan all expect something that wasn't written in their contracts and the fans are outraged by it. Maybe wrestlers should do a better job with their finances and start a "rainy day" fund for when this type of thing happens. If you don't like the deal TNA is giving you, you can leave.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 22, 2013 19:57:18 GMT -5
My expression stolen from Jim Cornette can never fail. You would believe TNA over Jesse though? It's not about believing, rather following the trail of logic that both ideas present, and what would need to be happen to make that true. In Jessie's version, for it to be true, it would have mean that TNA lied in their coverage, PWInsider lied about their recap of the story, that all the aspects of it, from the injury to today, were manufactured in a way to tell the story, and the quotes from both management and Jessie's family themselves can no longer be called valid. In TNA's version, for it to be true, Jessie needed to have lied or exaggerated his story in the shoot. Which one seems more likely?
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Post by CrazySting on Aug 22, 2013 20:00:13 GMT -5
PWI actually reported the story about Sorensen's mom being forced to pay the bills though. Before anyone else.
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Post by kamero00 on Aug 22, 2013 20:00:26 GMT -5
Poor guy? I work in construction. If I get hit by a car, they don't pay my medical bills. Its life, you got fired. Get over it. 1. Your potential scenario is unacceptable in any other westernized country in the world(you know the ones with healthcare, who are NOT monstrously in debt). 2. He got hurt doing his job, so your scenario fails anyway. I wish this country would realize that healthcare is a right and not something you have to earn. All most everyone else in the world realizes that, why can't we? it effects the wrestling business a lot.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 22, 2013 20:02:49 GMT -5
My expression stolen from Jim Cornette can never fail. You would believe TNA over Jesse though? It's not about believing, rather following the trail of logic that both ideas present, and what would need to be happen to make that true. In Jessie's version, for it to be true, it would have mean that TNA lied in their coverage, PWInsider lied about their recap of the story, that all the aspects of it, from the injury to today, were manufactured in a way to tell the story, and the quotes from both management and Jessie's family themselves can no longer be called valid. In TNA's version, for it to be true, Jessie needed to have lied or exaggerated his story in the shoot. Which one seems more likely? You're also forgetting about TNA doing this before and this not being the first time they've done this, and have been sued for this and settled. Trying to tell a different story, while he was employed, to make the company look compassionate, despite their shady past? Again, if TNA didn't have a history of doing this, I'd probably believe TNA over Jesse. But like believing a kleptomaniac won't steal again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 20:03:33 GMT -5
B-b-but everyone in TNA is a part of Dixie's loving and caring family. No? This is like finding out Santa isn't real.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Aug 22, 2013 20:04:17 GMT -5
What has been reported: TNA flew in his mom (nice gesture but probably didn't cost much) Gave him a production job for a while (again, nice gesture, but doubtful he was making a ton of cash) TNA "helped out" financially from time to time. Of course, the problem with "helped out" is that it is very vague and if his mom is financial ruin, they obviously didn't help out nearly enough. And anyone calling BS on Sorensen's story needs to remember Daffney, Jesse Neal and Konnan all had similar complaints. All these people are not lying. TNA just don't like paying medical bills. From what I can gather, TNA doesn't like paying for anything. I don't know. They seem to certainly love paying for Hulk Hogan.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 22, 2013 20:06:30 GMT -5
PWI actually reported the story about Sorensen's mom being forced to pay the bills though. Before anyone else. Except there's no story about it from PWI from the past week. It was all from Highspots, which did the shoot.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 22, 2013 20:10:38 GMT -5
It's not about believing, rather following the trail of logic that both ideas present, and what would need to be happen to make that true. In Jessie's version, for it to be true, it would have mean that TNA lied in their coverage, PWInsider lied about their recap of the story, that all the aspects of it, from the injury to today, were manufactured in a way to tell the story, and the quotes from both management and Jessie's family themselves can no longer be called valid. In TNA's version, for it to be true, Jessie needed to have lied or exaggerated his story in the shoot. Which one seems more likely? You're also forgetting about TNA doing this before and this not being the first time they've done this, and have been sued for this and settled. Trying to tell a different story, while he was employed, to make the company look compassionate, despite their shady past? Again, if TNA didn't have a history of doing this, I'd probably believe TNA over Jesse. But like believing a kleptomaniac won't steal again. And yet there's also a history of them doing it straight out (Sabin and his recent injury) or with that weird loan they tried before(Hernandez's injury during his Supermex push), so you're just cherry picking from the 3 (though, honestly it's 2, cause konan was full of S***) situations that everyone brings up, and ignores the rest.
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Post by CrazySting on Aug 22, 2013 20:14:41 GMT -5
PWI actually reported the story about Sorensen's mom being forced to pay the bills though. Before anyone else. Except there's no story about it from PWI from the past week. It was all from Highspots, which did the shoot. Mike Johnson is with PWI. He also did the shoot. He talked about the medical bills issue on the hotline.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Aug 22, 2013 20:16:21 GMT -5
Seeing things from the side of the worker instead of the company isn't biased, it's forming an opinion based on previous experience. TNA has a track record of shitting on workers, why is it so hard to believe that they'd do it again?
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 22, 2013 20:18:33 GMT -5
Except there's no story about it from PWI from the past week. It was all from Highspots, which did the shoot. Mike Johnson is with PWI. He also did the shoot. He talked about the medical bills issue on the hotline. Who is going on what Jesse said in that shoot. It's not something he checked up, or else he would actually have more details on it. Point stands.
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