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Post by CrazySting on Aug 23, 2013 11:27:43 GMT -5
Neither side is credible in this case. TNA has a history of being very sh***y to their talent when it involves the idea of paying people and Jesse at this point is having an issue with knowing which story of his is true. I think both sides are being somewhat bogus on this. I don't think TNA paid enough for his treatment and I don't think Jesse's mother went completely bankrupt. I have to agree that neither side looks good, but due to Jesse's injury TNA is not going to get much support if any from people. I personally think something shady is going on with Jesse with how he went from "No issues with TNA" to pretty openly bashing them. Not saying I think TNA is in the right totally, but things with Jesse's story doesn't add up. Not really shady. Jesse spoke well of them because he was making a regular income working in the office. Considering the financial issues his family were facing, he wasn't going to jeopardize the only money he was making. Now, he's been fired and thinks he's got nothing to lose. He may also be pissed that Dixie broke her promise to him and his mom to keep him on the payroll for life.
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Post by CrazySting on Aug 23, 2013 11:29:36 GMT -5
There's also the fact that people might be now pointing out to him how badly he was screwed. It's very possible he was naive on matters and doesn't realize how bad it is that TNA left him with the bills.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Aug 23, 2013 12:03:39 GMT -5
Or none of this might be happening and you're projecting again as usual? No, of course not that would be preposterous wouldn't it. Little babyfaced Jesse is incapable of lying or twisting a situation to garner sympathy and try and gain himself some cash, right? Nooo wrestlers are never underhanded or carny and always totally honest when it comes to lining their pockets
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Post by CrazySting on Aug 23, 2013 12:15:49 GMT -5
Or none of this might be happening and you're projecting again as usual? No, of course not that would be preposterous wouldn't it. Little babyfaced Jesse is incapable of lying or twisting a situation to garner sympathy and try and gain himself some cash, right? Nooo wrestlers are never underhanded or carny and always totally honest when it comes to lining their pockets I'm not making the guy out to be a saint. I don't think he's terribly bright, to tell you the truth. His mom might be the only truly "blameless" one in this mess. But I don't know how you can look at this situation and see him as anything but the wronged party.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 23, 2013 12:52:30 GMT -5
Yeah, if Jesse had insurance then TNA isn't the bad guy.
But since wrestlers performs w/o that....it would be nice of TNA to help. I know they don't have to, but it just makes them look shitty.
Especially when the #1 company at least pays enough to cover it normally
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Post by SeVeN: #TheBadGuy. on Aug 23, 2013 13:05:11 GMT -5
I do road construction, asphalt paving to be exact. I have worked with several people who have been run over, bumped and a few have been killed. What our insurance doesn't cover, which isn't much. We pay out of pocket. I have injured my back, foot and knee, working for my company. I had to pay the medical expenses. I'm not trying to start an argument but the guy was let go. It happens in the real world. Wrestling is no different. Just because you have a job where your employer doesn't value your well-being, doesn't mean that's how the world works. Oh I agree, everywhere is different. But I know how my company handles this stuff. As did Jesse. I can't remember if the Daffney situation happened before or after his injury, but his injury not being covered by TNA is not the first time it has happened. I just don't agree with the pity party he's trying to throw.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 23, 2013 14:31:23 GMT -5
And it's funny how Daffney, Jesse Neal and Konnan all expect something that wasn't written in their contracts and the fans are outraged by it. Maybe wrestlers should do a better job with their finances and start a "rainy day" fund for when this type of thing happens. If you don't like the deal TNA is giving you, you can leave. Daffney wouldn't have done the damn spot if she hadn't been assured her medical expenses would be covered so don't give me that crap.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Aug 23, 2013 15:02:39 GMT -5
And it's funny how Daffney, Jesse Neal and Konnan all expect something that wasn't written in their contracts and the fans are outraged by it. Maybe wrestlers should do a better job with their finances and start a "rainy day" fund for when this type of thing happens. If you don't like the deal TNA is giving you, you can leave. Daffney wouldn't have done the damn spot if she hadn't been assured her medical expenses would be covered so don't give me that crap. He is kind of right though, even if she was assured her medical expenses would be covered it doesn't change the fact that if this had happened on some other show she had no money put away to cover the cost of the medical and whoever was running the other show more than likely wouldn't cover the costs. So in the nicest way possible get off your high horse, all SOR was saying is that there is far too many wrestlers who aren't watching their wallets and putting away money in case something like this happens.
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Post by Toxik916 on Aug 23, 2013 15:09:27 GMT -5
If this turns out to be true I will never watch TNA again, granted its not like I'll be missing anything good.
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Post by CrazySting on Aug 23, 2013 15:20:36 GMT -5
Xpac is currently on twitter telling Sorensen the number of a lawyer. Sorensen is thankful.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 23, 2013 15:31:49 GMT -5
Daffney wouldn't have done the damn spot if she hadn't been assured her medical expenses would be covered so don't give me that crap. He is kind of right though, even if she was assured her medical expenses would be covered it doesn't change the fact that if this had happened on some other show she had no money put away to cover the cost of the medical and whoever was running the other show more than likely wouldn't cover the costs. So in the nicest way possible get off your high horse, all SOR was saying is that there is far too many wrestlers who aren't watching their wallets and putting away money in case something like this happens. That's true but that's not the point. If Daffney did a dangerous spot on her own violition, got injured and had to cover her own expenses I wouldn't have an issue. Hell, I doubt she'd have an issue. She is an mainstay on the indies after all. She'd be used to putting her body on the line for little reward. The fact is Terry Taylor essentially lied to her to do something she was uncomfortable with. In no way is she at fault for that.
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Post by CrazySting on Aug 23, 2013 15:42:04 GMT -5
Has it been mentioned how hard it is for wrestlers to get insurance? I mean, they can, but it's very costly. Considering most of the X division and KOs aren't making huge amounts of money, it's no wonder you have so many of these situations. TNA either need to start including insurance in their contracts or paying people enough to be able to get it.
It's more complicated an issue than just "Why didn't they have insurance?"
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Post by Zombie Mod on Aug 23, 2013 15:45:30 GMT -5
if I see a reply like this again in this thread it's done
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Post by Talent Name on Aug 23, 2013 15:49:08 GMT -5
Maybe its possible that Jesse had an agreement that wouldn't him talk about his situation while employed and now that he is not he is free to talk about it
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Aug 23, 2013 15:54:00 GMT -5
Coming in a little late here...but who is Jesse Sorenson?
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Aug 23, 2013 15:59:47 GMT -5
Has it been mentioned how hard it is for wrestlers to get insurance? I mean, they can, but it's very costly. Considering most of the X division and KOs aren't making huge amounts of money, it's no wonder you have so many of these situations. TNA either need to start including insurance in their contracts or paying people enough to be able to get it. It's more complicated an issue than just "Why didn't they have insurance?" It's less complicated than having insurance and about as simple as opening a bank account and putting some of your pay in it. A rainy day fund doesn't necessarily mean insurance, you can pay for medical care with actual money as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 16:00:25 GMT -5
Coming in a little late here...but who is Jesse Sorenson? This made me laugh way harder than it should have for some reason.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 23, 2013 16:03:32 GMT -5
Actually, since Sorensen is 23, and his mother had insurance, he was on his mom's plan anyway, according to the law passed 3 years ago. He is on her plan until he's 27.
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Post by Talent Name on Aug 23, 2013 16:13:13 GMT -5
Has it been mentioned how hard it is for wrestlers to get insurance? I mean, they can, but it's very costly. Considering most of the X division and KOs aren't making huge amounts of money, it's no wonder you have so many of these situations. TNA either need to start including insurance in their contracts or paying people enough to be able to get it. It's more complicated an issue than just "Why didn't they have insurance?" It's less complicated than having insurance and about as simple as opening a bank account and putting some of your pay in it. A rainy day fund doesn't necessarily mean insurance, you can pay for medical care with actual money as well. Honestly how would go about this, banks charge to have a minimum balance then with interest fees its hard to do. Indy guys don't make a lot of money they have bills to pay, possibly mouths to feed, they have to feed themselves and worry about paying for transportation to and from shows hotel rooms its not as easy as you make it out to be. I am 27 and barely have 200 dollars saved up
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 16:16:28 GMT -5
There's a lot of "They're independent contractors, Jesse has no legal hope" in this thread. I dunno, there have been a LOT of cases regarding the rights of independent contractors the past few years and juries tend to favor the contractor.
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