SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 23, 2013 5:15:35 GMT -5
If HHH was in the booking meetings, and has been since '98, how is it possible that he doesn't know he's going over until that opponent "shows up in the building"? That's what a booking meeting is. They map out the show and decide on winners and losers ahead of time.
I could understand if he said it wasn't his decision at all. But even if we take that at face value, *someone* out there sure has luckily been looking out for the dude for 13 years. He must be the luckiest guy in the world to where the bookers went against all logic and common sense in some cases to decide he should win as much as he does. I like thinking that HHH is reluctant to win. And after they signed Brock Lesnar, I picture the following conversation having taken place:
Bookers: "You know what would be real fun? If we had Lesnar put Hunter over and look really shitty in the wins he does get. Give me a phone. We need to wake up The Game and tell him he has no choice but to beat Brock and undo his appeal."
Phone rings....
HHH: "Hello-ah."
Bookers: "Ya, Hunter. This is the creative team. I know you're going to hate it, but we have this guy, Brock, that we spent 5 million on and we need you to come here and call out his cowardice, that he's a quitter, and basically no-sell his bad ass aura until that money seems like its wasted."
HHH: "Can't I just sleep? I've been up all night watching Starrcade '83."
Bookers: "No! You come here right now and you pin Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania, and you like it!"
HHH: "Ugh. Can I at least have him break my arm or something?"
Booker: "*sigh* I guess. But only if we never mention it again and we use HBK and your other friends to take the heat for you."
HHH: "Ugh. Fine."
Bookers: "Ya, and we'll need you to fake a concussion afterward and then never speak of it again, and never do anymore jobs."
HHH: "I said fine!"
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Post by homofojomo on Aug 23, 2013 6:40:03 GMT -5
Phone rings.... HHH: "Hello-ah." I am still laughing at the idea of Triple H answering the phone like this. Either you're extremely funny or I need sleep.
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Ben Wyatt
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 23, 2013 6:45:22 GMT -5
Fantastic interview. The company is in great hands once he takes over
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 23, 2013 7:06:23 GMT -5
If HHH was in the booking meetings, and has been since '98, how is it possible that he doesn't know he's going over until that opponent "shows up in the building"? That's what a booking meeting is. They map out the show and decide on winners and losers ahead of time. I could understand if he said it wasn't his decision at all. But even if we take that at face value, *someone* out there sure has luckily been looking out for the dude for 13 years. He must be the luckiest guy in the world to where the bookers went against all logic and common sense in some cases to decide he should win as much as he does. I like thinking that HHH is reluctant to win. And after they signed Brock Lesnar, I picture the following conversation having taken place: Bookers: "You know what would be real fun? If we had Lesnar put Hunter over and look really shitty in the wins he does get. Give me a phone. We need to wake up The Game and tell him he has no choice but to beat Brock and undo his appeal." Phone rings.... HHH: "Hello-ah." Bookers: "Ya, Hunter. This is the creative team. I know you're going to hate it, but we have this guy, Brock, that we spent 5 million on and we need you to come here and call out his cowardice, that he's a quitter, and basically no-sell his bad ass aura until that money seems like its wasted." HHH: "Can't I just sleep? I've been up all night watching Starrcade '83." Bookers: "No! You come here right now and you pin Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania, and you like it!" HHH: "Ugh. Can I at least have him break my arm or something?" Booker: "*sigh* I guess. But only if we never mention it again and we use HBK and your other friends to take the heat for you." HHH: "Ugh. Fine." Bookers: "Ya, and we'll need you to fake a concussion afterward and then never speak of it again, and never do anymore jobs." HHH: "I said fine!" Yeah, there's just no way he doesn't know. Especially when it comes to something like that MVP match where HHH was supposed to be so beat up and broken down that he couldn't even stand up, yet somehow he still had no problem pedigreeing MVP and making him look like an idiot who couldn't even beat a one-legged man (and that wasn't even during MVP's losing streak angle).
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Aug 23, 2013 12:29:37 GMT -5
Like a lot of people are saying, it is a great interview. I think the steps that Trips has taken for developmental really are going to help the overall structure of WWE. And while I disagree with this idea that indy wrestlers don't have the tools to succeed right without developmental, I do think having a process that will give them every true chance to succeed before hitting TV whereas an indy guy with no developmental might see the large contrast between the two environments.
However, while I do think Triple H is one of the smartest people in the business, it's not just because of the business sense to expand and conquer. But the fact that he eased himself into a situation that essentially gave him more protection than any other superstar with the exception of maybe the Undertaker.
So, I understand that he's got a lot of pressure on him at times, but I don't buy that he's just been lucky for the past 15 years, as Sean pointed out. He definitely had a large say in where a program went that he was involved with. Sometimes it worked, and other times it didn't The "just following orders" nonsense just doesn't cut it for me. And this is coming from someone who was a huge fan of his at one point. I'm just an ardent believer in that if you want YOUR business to thrive, you can't approach it as an onscreen character, your presence needs to be felt through the programming you provide, not the character you play.
This also made me laugh;
Sounds EXACTLY what Russo whined about when asked why WCW was failing. At least with WWE, the talent shouldn't be able to hold the "I'm defecting" card if they threaten not to do their job.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Aug 23, 2013 13:06:41 GMT -5
Phone rings.... HHH: "Hello-ah." I laughed at this way harder than I should have.
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mrbananagrabber
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Aug 23, 2013 13:47:18 GMT -5
Great interview. I don't buy the "hey, don't blame me for the fact I look invincible on TV" stuff either, but WWE really does look to have a hell of a future.
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Phil Parent
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Post by Phil Parent on Aug 23, 2013 14:33:22 GMT -5
"When I finally started full-time, he was like, "Take a few months. I want you to dig into everything. Have meetings with finance, dig into every part of this company and see what you think needs work." And the thing I came back to him with was we have this huge global marketing juggernaut, but we're a victim of our own success. We've shut down all the other territories. There's almost no place for guys to go learn, and when they do, they're learning how to work in a junior high in front of 50 people. It's a completely different thing than working in front of 10,000 or a million on TV with a camera in your face."
Yep, HHH is a smart smart wrestling person.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 23, 2013 14:33:30 GMT -5
Good ole' HHH. He just offers opinions and asks questions.
HHH: "Hey Vince, you know that racist feud I'm having with Booker T where I implied that a black man with nappy hair can't be WWE champion?"
Vince: "Yeah"
HHH: "Well I think I should win that one"
Vince: "Are you sure?"
HHH: "Yep, because otherwise the fans might think that a black man with nappy hair CAN be WWE Champion"
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Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Aug 23, 2013 14:54:09 GMT -5
I don't buy that, a recent example is Bray Wyatt being so comprehensibly beaten by Kane as SS (ie taking two chokeslams), there's no storyline reason for making him look that weak in his debut match, especially a cult leader that is meant to inspire his followers, who would believe in him after such a weak showing? There's no way that was down to Kane's ego. It really is simple, just have The Family run-in when things start to go wrong for their leader not afterwards.
It's also interesting that there's almost an anti-indy (or generally non-corprate with the mentions of ECW) stance that interview, I wonder if he's playing up to that aspect of his current heel character? Seems an odd view to take in a week featuring three MOTY contenders where four out of the six competitors were big names on the indies. That said there's a lot of truth in there anyway, NXT is doing well under his guidance and one of the main things they have to learn is working for the TV cameras.
Hmm that was surprisingly negative given that like most others I read that thinking the WWE is safe in his hands.
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amaron
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Post by amaron on Aug 23, 2013 15:14:11 GMT -5
I don't buy that, a recent example is Bray Wyatt being so comprehensibly beaten by Kane as SS (ie taking two chokeslams), there's no storyline reason for making him look that weak in his debut match, especially a cult leader that is meant to inspire his followers, who would believe in him after such a weak showing? There's no way that was down to Kane's ego. It really is simple, just have The Family run-in when things start to go wrong for their leader not afterwards. It's also interesting that there's almost an anti-indy (or generally non-corprate with the mentions of ECW) stance that interview, I wonder if he's playing up to that aspect of his current heel character? Seems an odd view to take in a week featuring three MOTY contenders where four out of the six competitors were big names on the indies. That said there's a lot of truth in there anyway, NXT is doing well under his guidance and one of the main things they have to learn is working for the TV cameras. Hmm that was surprisingly negative given that like most others I read that thinking the WWE is safe in his hands.It's a great interview, but it doesn't mean that he's not brushing things off himself either. A lot of his points are valid but he kind whitewashes his role in things a little bit.
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Post by The Baltimore Staircase on Aug 23, 2013 15:16:30 GMT -5
Triple H taking over the company will be one of the best things to happen to the business ever. He just needs to stay off TV. I agree with the first bit and disagree with the second bit. While no one wants to see 2 hours of Triple H, I do think that wrestling works best when a monster heel authority figure tries to keep faces down. I think Triple H is perfectly set to be Mr McMahon 2.0, yet he's clever enough to know that it can't go back to 1999/2000 MCMAHONS EVERYWHERE levels of heel. I trust him to find a balance. Of course if USA put their noses in everywhere it might not be up to him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 0:08:59 GMT -5
If HHH was in the booking meetings, and has been since '98, how is it possible that he doesn't know he's going over until that opponent "shows up in the building"? That's what a booking meeting is. They map out the show and decide on winners and losers ahead of time. I could understand if he said it wasn't his decision at all. But even if we take that at face value, *someone* out there sure has luckily been looking out for the dude for 13 years. He must be the luckiest guy in the world to where the bookers went against all logic and common sense in some cases to decide he should win as much as he does. I like thinking that HHH is reluctant to win. And after they signed Brock Lesnar, I picture the following conversation having taken place: Bookers: "You know what would be real fun? If we had Lesnar put Hunter over and look really shitty in the wins he does get. Give me a phone. We need to wake up The Game and tell him he has no choice but to beat Brock and undo his appeal." Phone rings.... HHH: "Hello-ah." Bookers: "Ya, Hunter. This is the creative team. I know you're going to hate it, but we have this guy, Brock, that we spent 5 million on and we need you to come here and call out his cowardice, that he's a quitter, and basically no-sell his bad ass aura until that money seems like its wasted." HHH: "Can't I just sleep? I've been up all night watching Starrcade '83." Bookers: "No! You come here right now and you pin Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania, and you like it!" HHH: "Ugh. Can I at least have him break my arm or something?" Booker: "*sigh* I guess. But only if we never mention it again and we use HBK and your other friends to take the heat for you." HHH: "Ugh. Fine." Bookers: "Ya, and we'll need you to fake a concussion afterward and then never speak of it again, and never do anymore jobs." HHH: "I said fine!" Yeah, there's just no way he doesn't know. Especially when it comes to something like that MVP match where HHH was supposed to be so beat up and broken down that he couldn't even stand up, yet somehow he still had no problem pedigreeing MVP and making him look like an idiot who couldn't even beat a one-legged man (and that wasn't even during MVP's losing streak angle). I remember that match, and thinkkng that Triple H could not have cared less about making MVP look good. Didn't put any effort whatsoever into selling, and his comeback and win were nonchalant "okay. i'll start trying now." Triple H is smart, he knows when he's doing stuff like that. He's also got all the plausible deniability in the world, and he uses it well.
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Post by Clawley Race on Aug 24, 2013 1:32:49 GMT -5
Fantastic interview. It is nice too see someone who gets so much venom on the internet sound so great, especially since he is going to be so integral in what we all care about's future.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Aug 24, 2013 1:38:19 GMT -5
If HHH was in the booking meetings, and has been since '98, how is it possible that he doesn't know he's going over until that opponent "shows up in the building"? That's what a booking meeting is. They map out the show and decide on winners and losers ahead of time. I could understand if he said it wasn't his decision at all. But even if we take that at face value, *someone* out there sure has luckily been looking out for the dude for 13 years. He must be the luckiest guy in the world to where the bookers went against all logic and common sense in some cases to decide he should win as much as he does. I like thinking that HHH is reluctant to win. And after they signed Brock Lesnar, I picture the following conversation having taken place: Bookers: "You know what would be real fun? If we had Lesnar put Hunter over and look really shitty in the wins he does get. Give me a phone. We need to wake up The Game and tell him he has no choice but to beat Brock and undo his appeal." Phone rings.... HHH: "Hello-ah." Bookers: "Ya, Hunter. This is the creative team. I know you're going to hate it, but we have this guy, Brock, that we spent 5 million on and we need you to come here and call out his cowardice, that he's a quitter, and basically no-sell his bad ass aura until that money seems like its wasted." HHH: "Can't I just sleep? I've been up all night watching Starrcade '83." Bookers: "No! You come here right now and you pin Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania, and you like it!" HHH: "Ugh. Can I at least have him break my arm or something?" Booker: "*sigh* I guess. But only if we never mention it again and we use HBK and your other friends to take the heat for you." HHH: "Ugh. Fine." Bookers: "Ya, and we'll need you to fake a concussion afterward and then never speak of it again, and never do anymore jobs." HHH: "I said fine!" I would just like to note that being moderately-to-severely sleep deprived had me wondering for nearly a full minute why Booker T was in the creative team and reading that post in his voice. I flat out refuse to correct this mistake and will assume that all bookers speak like that.
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Post by DIIV on Aug 24, 2013 1:39:55 GMT -5
Triple H taking over the company will be one of the best things to happen to the business ever. He just needs to stay off TV. /thread.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Aug 24, 2013 1:47:08 GMT -5
If HHH was in the booking meetings, and has been since '98, how is it possible that he doesn't know he's going over until that opponent "shows up in the building"? That's what a booking meeting is. They map out the show and decide on winners and losers ahead of time. I could understand if he said it wasn't his decision at all. But even if we take that at face value, *someone* out there sure has luckily been looking out for the dude for 13 years. He must be the luckiest guy in the world to where the bookers went against all logic and common sense in some cases to decide he should win as much as he does. I like thinking that HHH is reluctant to win. And after they signed Brock Lesnar, I picture the following conversation having taken place: Bookers: "You know what would be real fun? If we had Lesnar put Hunter over and look really shitty in the wins he does get. Give me a phone. We need to wake up The Game and tell him he has no choice but to beat Brock and undo his appeal." Phone rings.... HHH: "Hello-ah." Bookers: "Ya, Hunter. This is the creative team. I know you're going to hate it, but we have this guy, Brock, that we spent 5 million on and we need you to come here and call out his cowardice, that he's a quitter, and basically no-sell his bad ass aura until that money seems like its wasted." HHH: "Can't I just sleep? I've been up all night watching Starrcade '83." Bookers: "No! You come here right now and you pin Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania, and you like it!" HHH: "Ugh. Can I at least have him break my arm or something?" Booker: "*sigh* I guess. But only if we never mention it again and we use HBK and your other friends to take the heat for you." HHH: "Ugh. Fine." Bookers: "Ya, and we'll need you to fake a concussion afterward and then never speak of it again, and never do anymore jobs." HHH: "I said fine!" Also on a(very) slightly more serious note, I think it's entirely possible he's not calling the shots on his storylines at all. The issue is that, given his position, it would have gone something like this: HHH: "No pressure, hey man, I don't take things personally. Just write the best story you can think of, okay little guy?" Writer: "S-sure, okay so Lesnar beats you--" HHH: "Pops, can I use the button?" Vince: "Whatever." Writer: "What butt---AAAHHHHHH OH GOD I'M SO FIRED AND ON FIRE" [HHH turns back to the rest of the staff] HHH: "Does anyone else want to suggest a storyline?" Writer 2 : "Um, you win a close match where you acknowledge his badassness..." HHH: "Clooooseeeer." Writer 3: "You are an unstoppable badass and beat him at Wrestlemania, only ever losing any match because he's not enough of a man to fight you one-on-one without anyone on his side." HHH: "GIVE THIS GUY A RAISE! Also, I won't fire you, but I'll remember you trying to make me sell something." [Stares at Writer 2 intensely.] [HHH gives corporate smile] HHH: "See guys, one big happy family! I love your bright ideas! Please let us continue this democratic scenario where you tell your boss whether he will look like a badass or not. Of course this won't have any negative impact on your job evaluation."
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Lardlad
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Post by Lardlad on Aug 24, 2013 4:09:02 GMT -5
@davemeltzerwon HHH sits there stewing for 18 years on a story, and then gets every single detail wrong in trying to make a point where none was to be made
@davemeltzerwon Thank God he doesn't write one of those dirt sheets he cried about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 11:57:41 GMT -5
The butthurt is real.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Aug 24, 2013 15:47:02 GMT -5
@davemeltzerwon HHH sits there stewing for 18 years on a story, and then gets every single detail wrong in trying to make a point where none was to be made @davemeltzerwon Thank God he doesn't write one of those dirt sheets he cried about. I would pay a serious amount of money for a Triple H run dirt sheet. "Thank God this match was Buried Alive rules because it saved me the trouble of having to BURY THEM. Not enough pedigrees. 0/10. Punk cut a great promo on the all time legends, but he neglected to mention how I'm better than everyone. 0/10." "This match was an absolute classic, but I've had better matches. 0/10."
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