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Post by bestthateverdidit on Aug 22, 2013 15:25:30 GMT -5
dolph Ziggler appears to have lost all his heat.
Was it really a bright idea to job him out to Alberto Del Rio (who has been pushed solidly for 3 years and still hasn't clicked with fans)? And then put him in the feud with Big E Langston of all people? He will end up being another Shelton Benjamin.
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Post by Abdullah on Aug 22, 2013 15:27:12 GMT -5
He's still over. Sometimes, he's very over. Have you not been watching his segments?
Miz and Cody, on the other hand...
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Aug 22, 2013 15:29:16 GMT -5
His concussion ruined his momentum.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Aug 22, 2013 15:31:40 GMT -5
He's over as much as a midcard lower tier main eventer can be really. He doesn't really have too much to do at the moment though. Hopefully his involvement with The Shield will at least have him help Bryan fight the Corporation sometimes.
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 22, 2013 15:33:32 GMT -5
I expect Ziggler will have more to do in the Fall as he appears to be one of the few upper card faces still standing and has to be seen as a more stable prospect for the future than RVD or Christian.
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Post by JTH on Aug 22, 2013 15:33:47 GMT -5
His concussion ruined his momentum. I wouldn't say it ruined it. His concussion actually allowed the WWE to look and say, "Del Rio's not really catching on with fans, we can pull the double turn." Now all the little antics with AJ and him trying to protect himself from her "wrath", that is making him look foolish. |
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Post by PKO on Aug 22, 2013 15:34:55 GMT -5
Huh? He's over.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 22, 2013 15:36:11 GMT -5
He'll be just fine if they involve him in the feud with the new Corporation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 15:36:50 GMT -5
No, WWE have failed him.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Aug 22, 2013 15:39:54 GMT -5
His concussion ruined his momentum. I wouldn't say it ruined it. His concussion actually allowed the WWE to look and say, "Del Rio's not really catching on with fans, we can pull the double turn." Now all the little antics with AJ and him trying to protect himself from her "wrath", that is making him look foolish. I guess. It ruined his title run though since he never got to make a defence and lost it as soon as he came back. I still think they should have kept his crew together. |
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Post by StuntGranny® on Aug 22, 2013 15:47:21 GMT -5
I don't think he's 'ruined' at all. Even though I'm not a fan, he's a great midcard guy.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Aug 22, 2013 15:47:36 GMT -5
For someone who started as a caddy than a cheerleader than a guy who walks around and introduce himself just to get hit than turns into " that guy with Vicki " to a popular guy who WWE turned face based on crowd reactions. Not at all. WWE booked him like crap.
I got mad respect for him and how hard he works.
Jack Thwagger on the other hand...
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Post by Abdullah on Aug 22, 2013 15:55:20 GMT -5
Of the recently turned faces, Miz and Cody and maybe even Del Rio, Ziggler gets consistent reactions. He got one even this past RAW. He also has the ring-skills to pop a crowd.
This thread is a head-scratcher.
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Post by zeez on Aug 22, 2013 15:58:59 GMT -5
Why? Because he's not in a title feud? Because there's not enough room for every popular wrestler to be in a main event match every month? Ziggler is doing fine.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 22, 2013 16:21:55 GMT -5
He's still over as a face, so no.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 22, 2013 16:27:37 GMT -5
I don't recall which former creative team member it was, but I heard one on a podcast state that he thinks fans viewed the Ziggler face turn differently than WWE did. He theorized that WWE did the double turn as a means of turning Del Rio heel and setting him up as heel world champ. He felt WWE was focused on turning Del Rio, though fans were more excited about Ziggler. Considering that WWE has given Del Rio a lot of focus, I think he was correct.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Aug 22, 2013 16:41:44 GMT -5
A few months ago I called him a white Shelton Benjamin and was flammed by a few people.
But I stand by my words, he's a white Shelton Benjamin. Not a failure, just a very good athletic wrestler lacking an indefinable something.
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 22, 2013 16:44:42 GMT -5
I think where Ziggler really suffers is when he has to deliver these scripted promos and he's trying to remember all the words and sounds kinda robotic in delivery. The way things work right now I think is that only the top top guys have the freedom and privilege to do bullet point promos, where it might be more productive in the long run to let the people who struggle the most with scripted promos and may not be in that Undertaker/HHH/Jericho/Cena/Punk club the freedom to do the bullet point promos so they come across more naturally.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 22, 2013 17:19:25 GMT -5
he's no more a failure than Sheamus, Del Rio, Miz or any other "main event" level talent that the company doesn't have anything interesting for right now.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 22, 2013 17:29:27 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler as a face isn't going that great for the same exact reason The Miz as a face isn't going great.
Because he's playing the EXACT same character.
When you turn face or heel, you need to change things. You can't just go under the assumption of "Well they liked me then so I'll just do that but against the bad guys." Ziggler's still at times acting in a heelish manner, just against heels now. If anything, he needs to drop the show off character and just be an underdog babyface type of character. Same with Miz. Until then, they're not gonna do anything because the audience will be too confused.
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