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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 11:53:06 GMT -5
Ziggler is about where he needs to be as a guy that's credible enough to hang with the top guys but also sells well enough that he makes them look good by beating him.
That Show-Off nonsense is ridiculous though. I said it in another thread a while back, but RVD is a better Show Off than Ziggler has ever been. RVD hits flashy moves and then poses and points at himself, Ziggler did headstands while doing chinlocks. Which makes more sense?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 12:02:35 GMT -5
He's doing just fine. It was a terrible idea to put the belt on ADR because ADR is the least over wrestler holding a belt since Swagger, no one cares about him and has zero charisma. Ziggler managed to overcome that loss and remained over.
The Show Off is not a failure by any stretch of the imagination. It's just that there can't be many people feuding for the world title at the same time, and someone had to give place (even though 3 of 4 guys involved into title picture are awful - ADR, Christian/RVD, Orton).
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Post by Hawk Hart on Aug 23, 2013 12:42:17 GMT -5
Watch this week's NXT and try and tell me he's lost all his heat. I'll wait.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 23, 2013 12:58:19 GMT -5
Watch this week's NXT and try and tell me he's lost all his heat. I'll wait. NXT should not be used as the barometer here.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Aug 23, 2013 13:04:52 GMT -5
Watch this week's NXT and try and tell me he's lost all his heat. I'll wait. NXT should not be used as the barometer here. Yeah, let's discount crowd reactions to make a point. Makes sense.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 23, 2013 13:14:34 GMT -5
NXT should not be used as the barometer here. Yeah, let's discount crowd reactions to make a point. Makes sense. It's not that so don't get snippy. It's a way smaller crowd that reacts in ways that are unique or more intense than larger crowds. It's a different environment entirely and it's easy to see. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by The Baltimore Staircase on Aug 23, 2013 15:24:21 GMT -5
Yeah, let's discount crowd reactions to make a point. Makes sense. It's not that so don't get snippy. It's a way smaller crowd that reacts in ways that are unique or more intense than larger crowds. It's a different environment entirely and it's easy to see. That's all I'm saying. Gotta back up Moonthingy here. NXT is like a vortex where all the energy from other crowds gets sucked too and it's up to the NXT crowds to release it before the world explodes. I love them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 19:34:43 GMT -5
He was over against the shield and his match gained 500,000 viewers. Part of the reason was he did such a rare thing for me but my issue with most matches on the card are so predictable I usually fast forward him. On paper the match was predictable but how he wrestled and cleared the ring and the crowd cheering him big time made me go holy shit he could pull of the upset I am so watching this. Of course he didn't but who cares that's a excellent trait for a wrestler, to make you believe in the impossible
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 22:57:25 GMT -5
Right now, he's a midcarder. But so is every babyface but Punk and Bryan. It's hard to gauge...it all depends on storyline opportunities. His thing with AJ and Big E hasn't progressed whatsoever, he's just had a few matches with Big E and AJ dicked him out of a match or two.
But he's definitely not a failure. He entertains the crowd and is really great at what he does, and is still on TV in a good spot most of the time.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 23, 2013 23:00:16 GMT -5
Read between the lines here a bit and look at Monday's Raw. Ziggler is obviously going to be thrown in there against Ambrose at the next PPV for the US title. Henry/Show will go for the tag titles. To me there isn't much main event level about Ziggler. Much like Miz he doesn't make for a very natural babyface. US title or IC title is really about where I would put Ziggler. As far as being a world champion, I'd say Ziggler is a complete flop though. Some of it was booking (the whole Edge feud and his title "win") and some of it was terrible luck (concussion this year). Intercontinental Champion Dolph Ziggler doesn't sound that bad. The problem is that with the exception of Miz, WWE won't let any of these solid midcard talents just BE midcarders.
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