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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 23, 2013 18:10:47 GMT -5
For a talentless hoss, he wasn't hated too much around here. The guy was successful at what he did and the company screwed up. For a "talentless hoss", he was pretty damn over. Someone who is void of talent would not have gotten over. |
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Post by PKO on Aug 23, 2013 18:17:56 GMT -5
They put all that effort into building him up and getting him over, then threw it all away for nothing.
FEED ME to Cena.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 23, 2013 18:21:38 GMT -5
If they hadn't f***ed up and wasted his momentum, I think Ryback would be a lot more effective in the temporary transitional top-babyface-while-Cena's-injured role that they're stuck using Bryan in right now.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 23, 2013 18:24:44 GMT -5
If they hadn't f***ed up and wasted his momentum, I think Ryback would be a lot more effective in the temporary transitional top-babyface-while-Cena's-injured role that they're stuck using Bryan in right now. cause of course the matches they came up with and storylines would still lead to the exact same place with the exact same injuries. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 18:29:33 GMT -5
Pushing Ryback right into that title match (in freakin' Hell in a Cell!) was beyond short-sighted. They didn't want the PPV to bomb, and Ryback actually moved the numbers a bit on that show, BUT they shot his drawing power/overness to hell by pushing him to a the ceiling, knowing he's not getting the WWE title when it's tied up in Rock vs. Cena in 5 months. Maybe they could've salavaged him a bit by having him win the World title, but that still would've felt like a consolation prize and he would've just lost it to Agressive Del Rio at some point and sputtered on. I know he gets ripped on with the "Goldberg" chants, but the Goldberg push, ie win the secondary singles title on your way up, would've served him so much better.
Now, to be honest, I'm not very upset about this, because Ryback is not a wrestler that I find interesting in the least. But, even someone like myself who wasn't even rooting for him to succeed can see that they screwed it up. I'm not sure if he would've had the staying power to be a true top babyface, but we never did get to find out.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 23, 2013 18:33:09 GMT -5
If they hadn't f***ed up and wasted his momentum, I think Ryback would be a lot more effective in the temporary transitional top-babyface-while-Cena's-injured role that they're stuck using Bryan in right now. cause of course the matches they came up with and storylines would still lead to the exact same place with the exact same injuries. Obviously they couldn't plan for Cena's specific injury right now, but considering how long the guy's been working big main event matches without a break, it was inevitable he'd have to take time off sooner or later, and they should have a backup plan in place. And I think keeping Ryback in reserve as that backup plan would've worked out better for him and for WWE than the current setup. |
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Post by mrjl on Aug 23, 2013 19:32:43 GMT -5
cause of course the matches they came up with and storylines would still lead to the exact same place with the exact same injuries. Obviously they couldn't plan for Cena's specific injury right now, but considering how long the guy's been working big main event matches without a break, it was inevitable he'd have to take time off sooner or later, and they should have a backup plan in place. And I think keeping Ryback in reserve as that backup plan would've worked out better for him and for WWE than the current setup. They used Ryback as a backup plan. This is what happens with backup plans |
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Post by hassanchop on Aug 23, 2013 19:36:56 GMT -5
So, Ryback decides to be a star?
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 23, 2013 19:46:14 GMT -5
Obviously they couldn't plan for Cena's specific injury right now, but considering how long the guy's been working big main event matches without a break, it was inevitable he'd have to take time off sooner or later, and they should have a backup plan in place. And I think keeping Ryback in reserve as that backup plan would've worked out better for him and for WWE than the current setup. They used Ryback as a backup plan. This is what happens with backup plans It doesn't have to be. Austin as King of the Ring was the backup plan because management was annoyed at HHH over the curtain call. I'm not saying Ryback should've been the new face of the company, but considering the guy was over enough that the cheers he got were literally making the hard camera shake in some arenas, there had to be a better use for him than feeding him (heh) to the latest callups. The fact that a string of bad luck has now left WWE with a lack of top babyfaces for the next few months just reinforces what a bad idea if was to chip away Ryback's credibility. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 19:50:46 GMT -5
They used Ryback as a backup plan. This is what happens with backup plans It doesn't have to be. Austin as King of the Ring was the backup plan because management was annoyed at HHH over the curtain call. I'm not saying Ryback should've been the new face of the company, but considering the guy was over enough that the cheers he got were literally making the hard camera shake in some arenas, there had to be a better use for him than feeding him (heh) to the latest callups. The fact that a string of bad luck has now left WWE with a lack of top babyfaces for the next few months just reinforces what a bad idea if was to chip away Ryback's credibility. Ryback definitely would've provided some variety. All the top faces are around the same size/athleticism level. Bryan, Punk, Ziggler, Rhodes. I like all 4 a lot, but I'd like a big man face in there too. I guess there's Mark Henry and Big Show, but they're both sort of around the Usos and The Shield level right now and feel seperate from the pecking order. |
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Post by mrjl on Aug 23, 2013 20:09:07 GMT -5
They used Ryback as a backup plan. This is what happens with backup plans It doesn't have to be. Austin as King of the Ring was the backup plan because management was annoyed at HHH over the curtain call. I'm not saying Ryback should've been the new face of the company, but considering the guy was over enough that the cheers he got were literally making the hard camera shake in some arenas, there had to be a better use for him than feeding him (heh) to the latest callups. The fact that a string of bad luck has now left WWE with a lack of top babyfaces for the next few months just reinforces what a bad idea if was to chip away Ryback's credibility. Austin didn't get into a major angle for months, lost out on a couple of title shots building up to it and his big break out still involved a turn. And frankly, he was/is kind of liked around here. Have him going over Rollins and Ambrose would have lost a lot of that sympathy. About the only thing I can think of that they could have done for him would have been to have him become World Champion |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 23, 2013 20:18:17 GMT -5
And frankly, he was/is kind of liked around here. Have him going over Rollins and Ambrose would have lost a lot of that sympathy. Ryback sure wasn't over among smarkdom during the peak of his popularity, leading up to Hell in a Cell. Remember the people on here declaring he MUST be on steroids because "just look at him"? Or the hilarity of watching CM Punk/Daniel Bryan cheerleaders suddenly trying to insist that live crowd reactions aren't really important and people are just cheering "Feed me more" 'cause they like to chant along with catchphrases? So yeah, if that demographic wanted to keep whining about "Roidback", good riddance. The other two top babyfaces on the active roster know how to pander to that crowd, what WWE needs right now is a top babyface for everyone else. |
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Aug 23, 2013 22:44:14 GMT -5
For a talentless hoss, he wasn't hated too much around here. The guy was successful at what he did and the company screwed up. For a "talentless hoss", he was pretty damn over. Someone who is void of talent would not have gotten over. Exactly. Even people here liked him despite the fact that he never put on a good match. He fit the role very well; I loved seeing him squash people. |
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 23, 2013 23:14:00 GMT -5
For a "talentless hoss", he was pretty damn over. Someone who is void of talent would not have gotten over. Exactly. Even people here liked him despite the fact that he never put on a good match. He fit the role very well; I loved seeing him squash people. You basically agreed with my comment which countered you statement of him being talentless. And what is a "good" match? Pro wrestling isn't all about technical wrestling and stuff internet nerds salivate at. Ryback going out and beating people up can be considered good. It's not like he's stumbling around blowing spots. His job is to have a hard hitting type match and he does it well. |
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Post by Chip on Aug 23, 2013 23:50:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far. Yeah he was very over at one point but being thrust into the main event and never picking up a notable win during that time definitely hurt him. I remember him often coming out to silence for like a month or two before Wrestlemania, only getting a reaction when he would pump his arm for the meathook, a reaction is a reaction but coming out to silence is never a good sign. It was pretty telling that WWE didn't really have much planned for Ryback when the best they gave him at Mania was a shallow Henry feud that I don't even remember the build to.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Aug 23, 2013 23:57:32 GMT -5
Exactly. Even people here liked him despite the fact that he never put on a good match. He fit the role very well; I loved seeing him squash people. You basically agreed with my comment which countered you statement of him being talentless. And what is a "good" match? Pro wrestling isn't all about technical wrestling and stuff internet nerds salivate at. Ryback going out and beating people up can be considered good. It's not like he's stumbling around blowing spots. His job is to have a hard hitting type match and he does it well. Well yeah he was blowing spots. 'Ryback going out and beating people up' can be considered good, but it doesn't mean he has talent. During those situations, the person selling the moves is working harder. My point was that he wasn't someone who would normally be praised here, yet he cultivated a decent amount of FAN fans. Successful character even if he wasn't the best wrestler. Good job bringing up the internet, though. And what does "good" really mean anyway? Thanks, Aristotle! |
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Aug 24, 2013 0:06:23 GMT -5
His stupid, heartless faux-Goldberg pushed worked wonders with the younger crowd who weren't even born when Goldberg was squashing Jerry Flynn on Monday nights. Yeah, I and other older viewers rolled my eyes with cynicism, but the kids loved him. Then he made the cardinal mistake any hot babyface makes: He got too over and flew too close to the yellow sun that is Super Cena. Boom, heel turn. Enjoy the bunk with Kofi Kingston in Hotel Midcard, Ryback. You can check out but you can never leave.
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Post by cool guy on Aug 24, 2013 0:10:35 GMT -5
From an objective standpoint, I realize that Creative really messed up with Ryback, and have basically destroyed all the momentum he had. The thing is, I never liked Ryback and I just can't really bring myself to care, especially when most other things about the product have been so good lately.
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Post by Juice on Aug 24, 2013 0:14:12 GMT -5
Fully agree that they blew a chance, but I also have a feeling that if they hadn't people would be looking back and wondering why they didn't just go with Punk cause Ryback flopped anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 1:42:40 GMT -5
I think WWE saw that his original Ryback "feed me more" character didn't really have legs to go anywhere. It was so one dimensional with no room for a character arc whatsoever.
This NEW Ryback though - I like this guy as a character. It can a
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