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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Aug 25, 2013 22:41:17 GMT -5
They came in WWE with "names" and a solid reputation...but failed miserably and sometimes pathetically. Who in your opinion is the biggest flop of the last years?
Albert/Tensai: Big deal in Japan, was supposed to be a big monster heel in WWE...then his gimmick was ruined (by what? we'll never know) and he ended up in a pathetic comedy team composed of two fat asses dancing around like idiots.
Mistico/Sin Cara: Biggest Star Ever in Mexico, was supposed to become the new Rey Mysterio. Then : Entrance/point/botch/botch/injury/out for 4 months/come back/point/Botch/point/botch/break something...rince and repeat(well kinda like Rey in fact). In the meantime he couldn't learn a single english word.
Awesome Kong: Big deal in TNA, was supposed to revolutionize the women's division. Then she got pregnant, sadly lost her baby, eliminated Michael Cole at a rumble then disappeared forever.
Low Ki/Kaval: Big Deal in TNA, was supposed to experience a great success in WWE. Won the NXT then who remember what happened? One day he just wasn't there anymore.
Chris Harris/Braden Walker: "Knock Knock!" "Who's there?" "Management. You're fired"
Colt Cabana/Scotty Goldman: Internet darling. Supposedly awesome and the funniest thing ever seen on planet earth. His biggest claim to fame was having his name dropped by CM Punk during his worked shoot, 6 months or so after he was fired like a nobody.
Who in your opinion is the biggest flop? Someone else maybe?
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Post by Bravo Echo November on Aug 25, 2013 22:47:19 GMT -5
Sin Cara.
He was one of *the* top wrestlers in the world when they signed him. The hype and promotion for him were top notch, but then he made his debut and literally tripped.
To date can anyone really pinpoint a solid high spot within his career? A career full of injuries and botches? It's gotten to the point now that people are laughing at him.
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Post by Lila on Aug 25, 2013 22:49:36 GMT -5
Eric Escobar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 22:50:08 GMT -5
Sin Cara. Almost everything that can go wrong has. It's quite amazing. I think that CMLL hired Papa Shango to put a curse on him.
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Post by kamero00 on Aug 25, 2013 22:52:56 GMT -5
Although it's REALLY early, I expected so much more from the Wyatt Family. A dud of a match and two generic big guys doing "big guy" moves.
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Post by nickcave on Aug 25, 2013 22:53:52 GMT -5
I'm going to view this as flops by how much effort WWE put into them and how big they wanted them to be.
Tensai: WWE obviously wanted him to be a big deal fairly quick but he never connected with the audience and is actually in a better position than Sin Cara now even if it's just a comedy character so I can't say him
Sin Cara: My choice for biggest flop, WWE had a whole press conference about his signing for crying out loud. To say that he hasn't lived up to the hype is a huge understatement seeing as his biggest success has been in a tag team with Rey Rey.
Kharma: Not really her fault, she could always come back and be put in the exact same position. She hasn't ruined her reputation like Sin Cara has.
Kaval: This was his own fault really, he got the Bryan treatment and didn't have thick enough skin to wait it out. WWE wasn't as nearly interested in him as they were with Sin Cara though.
Braden Walker: Was around for a cup of coffee, I don't think WWE cared too much about him so he was more of a personal flop. He did ruin his reputation pretty hardcore for as little as he was around though.
Scotty Goldman: This was more an internet hype rather than WWE caring about him in the slightest. As far as they were concerned he might as well been a half a step above the local enhancement talent for the amount of effort they put in. It's hard to call him a WWE flop when they cared so little.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 25, 2013 23:00:15 GMT -5
Just remember, everyone: If Sin Cara had been as successful as WWE hoped he would, they probably wouldn't be bothering to push Alberto del Rio anywhere near as hard as they currently do, since they'd already have one really popular Latino star on the active roster.
That's what he's unleashed upon us all.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 25, 2013 23:01:21 GMT -5
Tensai.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Aug 25, 2013 23:04:11 GMT -5
Has to be Sin Cara. A massive star in Mexico brought in with the full force (yep) of the WWE hype machine behind him, his has been a saga of repeated injury, botches galore, at least one wellness violation, being outperformed by his evil doppelganger, the legendary penis shirt, and lest we forget, his short-lived outfit that made him look like a cross between Ed Leslie and a watermelon.
Not that it's always his fault -- some of the injuries might have just been rotten luck, and the shirt debacle can be blamed on some genius in marketing -- but the poor guy is just cursed. The WWE keeps trying to get him back on track, but the train just won't stop derailing.
Other names on the list failed for one or two reasons at most. Sin Cara is a veritable many-layered onion of failure.
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Post by Shark on Aug 25, 2013 23:04:47 GMT -5
It's Sin Cara and not really close. He came in with huge hype and just never lived up with it.
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Post by thegame415 on Aug 25, 2013 23:16:50 GMT -5
Lebron James.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 25, 2013 23:20:46 GMT -5
Where's the Cesaro option.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 25, 2013 23:26:24 GMT -5
Kane
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Aug 25, 2013 23:36:54 GMT -5
Where's the Cesaro option. Could he really count? He just showed up one day as Askana's boyfriend with no hype, beat some guys on Superstars, won the US title from Santino, went on to play Generic Forign Heel 2345 for a while and lost it to Kofi Kingston. Now he's in an alright power tag team with Swagger and has alright matches. Compared to guys like Tensai, Sin Cara, and Kharma, who got promos and loads of hype and promos behind them, he can't really be deemed a flop.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 25, 2013 23:42:24 GMT -5
Tensai Entirely WWE's fault. He's Albert. He'll always be Albert. Making him into a Japanese guy was the dumbest thing they could have done. Brodus thankfully saved his career.
Sin Cara Everything seems to have gone wrong. He was always going to struggle because he doesn't speak English. Seems cursed by injuries and botches. It's a real shame. The poor guy.
Awesome Kong Would have been the best thing to have happened to the Divas division. It was a real chance to redefine it away from the silicone bimbos to a real wrestling division. WWE did everything right during Kharma's build up, then the pregnancy thing came about. What WWE did wrong was that insane character-breaking speech she did. There was no need for it. Nor was there any need for WWE to have the Bellas make fat jokes. Killed the entire character.
Kaval Again, entirely WWE's fault. They never booked him as anything else but a jobber, and having him be "mentored" by two bimbos killed any chance he had. It seems that WWE signed Low Ki for the sole purpose of sabotaging and burying him.
I don't remember the other two. I must not have been watching when they were on.
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Post by molson5 on Aug 25, 2013 23:44:13 GMT -5
I guess it depends on whose expectations were crushed. If it's the company's, then it's probably Sin Cara for the reasons mentioned. But from an outside perspective, could we have really reasonably expected that "one of the greatest international wrestlers" from another country would actually make a huge splash in the WWE? Has that ever even happened? There's always been great performers in Mexico and Japan, I don't think you could necessarily plop any of them in the WWE and assume automatic success.
From an outsider/more neutral perspective, I think maybe Tensai was a bigger flop. It seemed like he had all the tools to make a run - he was a big guy who the WWE had liked to some extent before, he could work the WWE style, and now he had close to a decade more wrestling experience. In retrospect, after I went back and watched more of his Japan stuff, I think the hype might have been overblown (his matches in Japan were pretty slow and plodding too), but I was a lot more surprised about how quickly he tanked than anyone else.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Aug 25, 2013 23:49:25 GMT -5
Kaval: This was his own fault really, he got the Bryan treatment and didn't have thick enough skin to wait it out. WWE wasn't as nearly interested in him as they were with Sin Cara though. Kaval. Was. Fired. MVP confirmed it. He also stopped pulling his diva act long before the WWE hired him (it was all they were waiting for). It was an anti-flop. He did too well by winning NXT, and someone backstage either wanted to punish him for it or just was an enemy from the get-go. Besides, there ISN'T a "Bryan treatment." Based on news reports around the current angle, Vince was going around telling everyone that he was too small. That will cause a stop-and-start push, not some kind of weird dues-paying thing.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 25, 2013 23:53:34 GMT -5
Cara for me. He was meant to be an amazing, fast-paced, talented wrestler who flies around the ring like a fighter jet and who would set the world by storm.
Instead we got a botch-happy, clumsy goof.
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Post by KEJB on Aug 25, 2013 23:54:13 GMT -5
Sin Cara has to be the biggest but I have another name to throw in the hat:
Alex Riley - pretty much a prized development prospect with the spot on look WWE loves.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 25, 2013 23:57:39 GMT -5
Sin Cara has to be the biggest but I have another name to throw in the hat: Alex Riley - pretty much a prized development prospect with the spot on look WWE loves. Miz might also qualify, considering he's the first and only guy from the post-Cena generation of wrestlers to get to headline a Wrestlemania, and now he's fallen back to the upper-midcard and been surpassed by several of his contemporaries.
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