Chip
Hank Scorpio
Slam Jam Death.
Posts: 5,185
|
Post by Chip on Aug 26, 2013 0:09:18 GMT -5
Sin Cara. Ultimo Dragon tripping at Wrestlemania is pretty much Sin Cara's career in a nutshell.
|
|
|
Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Aug 26, 2013 0:25:15 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Manute Bol on Aug 26, 2013 0:52:24 GMT -5
How was Kaval a flop? He won a show based on fan voting and, despite the fact that none of his matches broke ten minutes, never let down in the ring. The fact that WWE wasn't interested in doing anything with him doesn't make him a flop.
He's one of the WWE's most glaring missed opportunities ever in my opinion.
|
|
fw91
Patti Mayonnaise
FAN Idol All-Star: FAN Idol Season X and *Gavel* 2x Judges' Throwdown winner
Tribe has spoken for 2024 Mets
Posts: 39,800
Member is Online
|
Post by fw91 on Aug 26, 2013 0:59:48 GMT -5
albert/tensai. sin cara's been a disapointment, but i never for once thought he'd get a huge push or even a whc reign. They wanted Tensai to be a monster and push him, but he just couldn't get over
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 1:04:11 GMT -5
You know, I never understood why they just didn't have Tensai act as Laurinaitis's muscle? Don't do the Japanaphile gimmick, just have him be the silent muscle, using Johnny's puroresu past as their kayfabe link. Unless they had issues with the Albert trademark, just have the guy be himself.
|
|
nate5054
Hank Scorpio
Lucky to be alive in the Chris Jericho Era
Posts: 7,016
|
Post by nate5054 on Aug 26, 2013 1:24:25 GMT -5
I get the argument for Sin Cara and why he's winning this.
But A-Tensi is the first one I thought of before I opened this thread.
|
|
nate5054
Hank Scorpio
Lucky to be alive in the Chris Jericho Era
Posts: 7,016
|
Post by nate5054 on Aug 26, 2013 1:25:35 GMT -5
And I know it's not that recent, but is Kizarny the biggest flop ever? At the very least he has to have had some sort of record of having way more vignette time than actual tv ring time.
|
|
BigBadZ
Grimlock
The Rumors Are All True
Posts: 13,923
|
Post by BigBadZ on Aug 26, 2013 1:54:33 GMT -5
Did Triple H force Tensai to wear that dress as punishment for him stealing his favorite dance move??
|
|
|
Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 26, 2013 2:04:40 GMT -5
Sin Cara may go down as one of the biggest flops of all time, never mind just recent memory. Looking at his work in WWE you'd be forgiven for not thinking it's the same guy that tore it up in Mexico.
Put it down to injuries, bad luck, poor attitude, lack of compatible workers, different style, whatever - he's not looked close to fulfilling any of the expectations.
|
|
Jeremy
Hank Scorpio
Horse of a Different Color
Posts: 6,240
|
Post by Jeremy on Aug 26, 2013 2:18:33 GMT -5
Braden Walker didn't have a lot of things behind him. Sin Cara though
|
|
|
Post by salsashark on Aug 26, 2013 2:21:42 GMT -5
I picked Kharma, even though I have read many compelling arguments for Sin Cara and Tensai.
First off, Sin Cara and Tensai are both still in WWE and could revitalize their careers. If Sin Cara would stop botching and hurting himself, I have no doubt he'd be way back up there pronto. I could see him in a WHC feud down the line.
Tensai could be a monster heel if played right. Maybe make him face first or let him talk.
But Kharma is gone and her character was totally, unnecessarily dumped on by collapsing and weeping in the ring. Kharma could have been a huge, huge draw for the Divas division--something the division has never really seen before. (I liked Beth Phoenix a lot, but come on. She had a ceiling after a while.) Kharma would have made a great killer character, plus she's not that bad on the stick. She could have gone on a Goldberg-like streak for a year--maybe two--as the top Diva. If she gets too overused, make her the Undertaker of Divas and have her only appear for big angles and kill people. Maybe have the other Divas encourage WWE to make an Interim Divas Title in Kharma's absence. Then find a really, really good face Diva and build her as the giant-killer. We have seen this story line in some way with men but never with women, and that novelty alone could have been a huge draw. She was a huge, huge loss. Just look at that pop she got at the Royal Rumble and consider that I don't believe she ever actually participated in a single WWE match besides that! That's over.
|
|
|
Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 26, 2013 2:23:49 GMT -5
Kharma's my answer simply on the grounds that she legitimately did nothing
|
|
|
Post by KobashiChop on Aug 26, 2013 2:27:00 GMT -5
Sin Cara got a public press conference that featured him discarding the Mistico mask to reveal the brand new Sin Cara mask. It was one of the most publicised signings in years. They signed the biggest star Mexico had. And it completely blew up.
|
|
MolotovMocktail
Grimlock
Home of the 5-time, 5-time, 5-time, 5-time 5-time Super Bowl Champion 49ers-and Wrestlemania 31
Posts: 14,056
|
Post by MolotovMocktail on Aug 26, 2013 2:32:32 GMT -5
And I know it's not that recent, but is Kizarny the biggest flop ever? At the very least he has to have had some sort of record of having way more vignette time than actual tv ring time. Biggest flop ever goes to Scott Steiner in 2003. Some of the wrestlers mentioned here had an indy following, and in Sin Cara's case was a huge star in another country. But with Steiner, he was a major name in the other major wrestling company who was made to be a huge deal, and who was presumably signed for big money. They hyped him for months with the whole "free agent" deal, whether he would sign with Raw or with Smackdown, and in the weeks leading up to his Rumble match with HHH, was made to look absolutely invincible. Then the wheels came off... Royal Rumble: His match with HHH was one of the worst in recent history. HHH's efforts were the only thing that saved it from being negative stars. No Way Out: Rematch with HHH, where the fans turned on him, booing him and cheering HHH. And keep in mind, this was right in the middle of the Reign of Terror where nobody could stand Hunter. Wrestlemania: Nothing. That's right. All the hype and hoopla for the past several months, and he wasn't even on the card. Summer: The never-ending feud with Test (though to be fair to Test, he did make an awesome heel as the abusive boyfriend to Stacy). His face reactions were so dull that WWE decided they might as well turn him heel. By year's end, he was gone.
|
|
|
Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 26, 2013 2:45:06 GMT -5
Sin Cara has to be the biggest but I have another name to throw in the hat: Alex Riley - pretty much a prized development prospect with the spot on look WWE loves. Imo Alex Riley is an example of how WWE can completely mishandle a guy. During his run with the Miz, he was kept mostly out of the ring except for being glorified squash fodder and a finisher dummy. Not sure if I can say he was "prized". I'd argue that the face jobber Riley we've seen for the past two years has 1,000 times more credibility than the Riley we saw tagging along with Miz. If they truly valued Riley, they would have had him working the undercard, letting him gain experience and improve his craft instead of just being a non-wrestler. Instead they basically pushed him into the deep end without letting him learn to tread water first. I honestly think of him as a missed opportunity rather than a flop. He's made massive improvements in ring, and managed to stay over all this time, they barely even put him in the ring anymore, even in a "Wheel of Aggression" capacity. And I noticed that he's never gets face time on segments, i.e. such as App exclusives, Z!TLIS and Foreign Exchange when they were around, or the JBL and Cole show, while other undercard stars do.
|
|
mizerable
Fry's dog Seymour
You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
Posts: 23,475
|
Post by mizerable on Aug 26, 2013 3:54:14 GMT -5
Awesome Kong could have been the immortal queen of the division. So I voted her.
Sin Cara wasn't going to do anything unless he had a title like the Cruiserweight he could brag about (or point to).
|
|
|
Post by wallabylikeyou on Aug 26, 2013 3:54:45 GMT -5
I don't know what the plans were for Sin Cara but Tensai pinned CM Punk and John Cena. He was obviously supposed to be a big monster heel and maybe have the spot Big Show occupied in 2012. Sin Cara has also partly failed because of things that WWE couldn't help, namely injuries and suspensions, while they actually thought giving Albert shiny red trunks, a mist finisher, a manager that didn't do anything, promos yelled in a foreign language etc etc etc would get him over. I'd say he's worse.
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 26, 2013 7:12:53 GMT -5
In terms of hyped signing probably Sin Cara as I believe before he signed with the WWE he was setting records for drawing in Mexico and was becoming fairly big in Japan. But when he's healthy he's not treated like a complete jobber. He just has to stay healthy.
Tensai had a huge fall from grace which makes him IMO a bigger flop for the WWE as they signed him to be a top heel.
I'd say Kharma is up there as well. Yes not really anybody's fault, but the WWE doesn't really spend time hyping up new Divas like they did with her.
Colt and Ki weren't really flops. Colt got a developmental deal was down there for awhile and was only called up because he was down there, but was never really a guy the WWE was high on. Ki got hurt in developmental which derailed him a bit.
Chris Harris wasn't a flop, but he blew that opportunity for himself.
In a way I'd throw David Otunga into the discussion as well. Back during NXT season 1 they really went out of their way to make him look like a big deal and hype him up when he was easily the worst guy in-ring wise of the 8. While the Nexus is going on, he's treated as the number 2 in the group and they constantly teased him overthrowing Barrett for control of the group. He then becomes a comedy side kick for Johnny Ace, and is now not used on tv. Yes I know he's done other things for WWE, but I think some forget how invested they once were in Otunga
|
|
|
Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 26, 2013 8:20:11 GMT -5
Sin Cara and it's not even close. the others flopped and with the exception of Tensai were shown the door quickly enough to not be an embarassment for WWE.
special mention has to go to Colt Cabana for quitting not just because of how little he was used, but also due to rampant anti-semitism on the part of a certain washed up blonde drunk on the creative team.
|
|
|
Post by Alexander The So-so on Aug 26, 2013 8:37:18 GMT -5
Sin Cara and it's not even close. the others flopped and with the exception of Tensai were shown the door quickly enough to not be an embarassment for WWE. special mention has to go to Colt Cabana for quitting not just because of how little he was used, but also due to rampant anti-semitism on the part of a certain washed up blonde drunk on the creative team. Whoa, really? I never knew of this before. What happened?
|
|