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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 22:22:53 GMT -5
Never fails.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Aug 29, 2013 22:33:03 GMT -5
Whether Bryan is a #1 draw or not is irrelevant. He's always admitted he can't truly be the face of the company due to his overall look. So Bryan sure isn't crying while main eventing nearly every Raw and now the PPVs.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Aug 29, 2013 22:42:04 GMT -5
When I win the lottery, I'm going to buy every TV with a Nielsen box and I will only use them when Fandango appears.
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Post by CH Punk on Aug 29, 2013 22:58:39 GMT -5
*coughs* A.J.'s promo popped to 1.731 million viewers at 9:23 p.m., then 1.770 million viewers at 9:24 p.m I read that segment, on the whole, lost viewers. Any truth to that or is it just rampant speculations? From what I read, the quarter hour on a whole lost viewers, but the AJ Promo scored the highest rating from the 18-49 male demo within the regular hours of the show (excluding the overrun).
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 29, 2013 22:59:21 GMT -5
Punk definitely isn't a draw. Ratings tanked while he was on top during that dreadful 434 day reign. So, 2nd best ratings of any full-timer in the whole company at the time was "tanked?" I guess the guy who gets silver in the Olympics sucks because he didn't get gold, right? You know, despite the fact he out-performed everyone else bar the gold-medalist? (Cena).
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Post by Sc on Aug 29, 2013 23:09:07 GMT -5
Punk definitely isn't a draw. Ratings tanked while he was on top during that dreadful 434 day reign. So, 2nd best ratings of any full-timer in the whole company at the time was "tanked?" I guess the guy who gets silver in the Olympics sucks because he didn't get gold, right? You know, despite the fact he out-performed everyone else bar the gold-medalist? (Cena). He lost viewers in the overrun several times. That almost never happens. Also there's this from Dave Meltzer:
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 29, 2013 23:12:29 GMT -5
Discussing and debating ratings and such always comes across to me like trying to figure out the best feng shui for a prison cell. You can make any argument you like cuz you're largely just making anything fit into your preconceptions, and it's ultimately pointless anyway.
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Post by BigWill on Aug 29, 2013 23:22:32 GMT -5
Who does and doesn't draw is probably one of my least liked topics on this board.
Trying to have an actual discussion on ratings is one thing, but all these threads end up coming across as people trying to twist the breakdowns in a way that justifies their liking or disliking of a superstar/diva.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 29, 2013 23:23:37 GMT -5
So, 2nd best ratings of any full-timer in the whole company at the time was "tanked?" I guess the guy who gets silver in the Olympics sucks because he didn't get gold, right? You know, despite the fact he out-performed everyone else bar the gold-medalist? (Cena). He lost viewers in the overrun several times. That almost never happens. Also there's this from Dave Meltzer: He's not a ratings success. I'll concur. But he's the 2nd best guy they have outside novelty acts. When people say that he lost viewers several times in the final segment and that had not happened in years, you have to consider that the guy he was following up from was Cena, the only draw in WWE and its standard bearer. Punk's biggest flaw is he's not Cena. But no one is. But he is number 2, despite being significantly lower than number 1. He's the Miss Congeniality of WWE. And Meltzer's logic there is slightly flawed, in that Punk was not positioned as the draw of the PPV itself, he did no television before the show, and no one was even sure that he'd actually show up. You cannot be held accountable for the under-performance of a show you're not the focal point of. I think had he done TV, been built up as the main event, and then went out and did dogshit numbers, it'd be fair to call him a failure. But that night? That show lived and died by its main event.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 23:43:28 GMT -5
Meh, those vanilla midgets ain't got crap on Nash back in '95.... HAHAHAHA SUCK IT NASH. Whatever you say, kid. Me and Scott got a bigger pop reversing the Abdominal Stretch in Providence than these workrate marks get for killing themselves out there every night, Germans off the top rope and all that shit. f*** that, give 'em a boot and a powerbomb, that's what the people wanna see.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 29, 2013 23:46:39 GMT -5
Nobody draws individually anymore. The only thing that draws is the WWE brand name. FACT. Holy shit, how many times does this have to be said before people stop talking about draws?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 0:30:21 GMT -5
I agree completely with the "WWE brand is the draw" theory, but I also think that ratings can be affected by how well a wrestler is handled at the moment. Take Punk, for instance - a good angle will draw regardless, and he has the capability to help himself draw more when he's making that good angle better (i.e. MITB '11), but when he's in a crappy, go-nowhere angle (i.e. his entire post-heel turn title reign), virtually no amount of effort on the perfomer's part can make that interesting.
Punk also had the severe disadvantage of being the only champion for as long as I can remember (except maybe Sgt. Slaughter) where you knew for ages exactly how his reign would play out and how long it would last, even knowing the day it would end and who would beat him. Even the most casual viewers had to feel like they were practically in on the booking schedule.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 30, 2013 0:40:04 GMT -5
The WWE brand may be the draw, but there's no reason why that brand can't be filled with cool people worthy of attention.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 0:50:11 GMT -5
I agree completely with the "WWE brand is the draw" theory, but I also think that ratings can be affected by how well a wrestler is handled at the moment. Take Punk, for instance - a good angle will draw regardless, and he has the capability to help himself draw more when he's making that good angle better (i.e. MITB '11), but when he's in a crappy, go-nowhere angle (i.e. his entire post-heel turn title reign), virtually no amount of effort on the perfomer's part can make that interesting. Punk also had the severe disadvantage of being the only champion for as long as I can remember (except maybe Sgt. Slaughter) where you knew for ages exactly how his reign would play out and how long it would last, even knowing the day it would end and who would beat him. Even the most casual viewers had to feel like they were practically in on the booking schedule. I don't buy the sentiment that Punk's reign tanked the ratings, because the second half of his title reign coincided with Raw expanding to 3 hours, which lowered ratings across the board. Also, as you mentioned, all that coincided with the stupid heel turn when his popularity was the highest it had been and was growing. Punk can draw when things are done well. But he's not a draw in spite of bad booking, like true "big draws" of the past.
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 30, 2013 0:53:14 GMT -5
Christian the ratings killer
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Aug 30, 2013 1:46:21 GMT -5
More proof that Bryan > Punk.
Hopefully WWE sees this and continue the Bryan bandwagon.
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Post by celticjobber on Aug 30, 2013 1:58:18 GMT -5
I read that segment, on the whole, lost viewers. Any truth to that or is it just rampant speculations? The Divas match before AJ's promo lost viewers. But AJ's promo picked up ratings and was one of the highest rated parts of RAW.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Aug 30, 2013 3:15:51 GMT -5
Anything Christian does is a ratings killer. The guy is so stale it's pretty sad. Every time I hear his music it's instant "go make a sammich" time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 9:07:55 GMT -5
Anything Christian does is a ratings killer. The guy is so stale it's pretty sad. Every time I hear his music it's instant "go make a sammich" time. GO! Make a sandwich in this time Add margarine in zeal Take the lettuce from the fridge Add tomatoes and make that into a meal Into a meal.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 30, 2013 10:16:56 GMT -5
Interesting and intriguing personalities draw ratings. And with the AJ deal, it's important to say that, yes, PEOPLE draw, not just men.
This whole gimmick with the anti-corporate wrestler is obviously working. I wish Axel was over stronger though. See, if only he could have really did some damage to Triple H instead of just beating him by count out or whatever, he might be a bigger star.
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