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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Aug 30, 2013 10:55:42 GMT -5
Implying it wasn't Orton that lost the viewers. Not even Orton's heartbreaking beauty can override a creature THAT misshapen. The poor wretch. Meh, those vanilla midgets ain't got crap on Nash back in '95.... HAHAHAHA SUCK IT NASH. Whatever you say, kid. Me and Scott got a bigger pop reversing the Abdominal Stretch in Providence than these workrate marks get for killing themselves out there every night, Germans off the top rope and all that shit. f*** that, give 'em a boot and a powerbomb, that's what the people wanna see. (Language Warning) (3:26 into the clip) Sean (reading a submitted question): How do you feel about your entire nWo/WCW run not having a match rated higher than 2 stars by Big Dave Meltzer? Kevin Nash:......I just got a dividend check for $178,000. As much of a mark I am for the IWC favorites, I love Kevin Nash's don't give a f*** attitude towards smarks and dirt sheet writers' opinions of him and his workrate. All he cares about is getting paid and getting laid! Edit: Oh, and another thing. As far as WWE as a brand name being a draw rather than the wrestlers on the show, that just be the most important thing Vince adopted from Paul E. and ECW.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 30, 2013 12:07:59 GMT -5
The WWE brand may be the draw, but there's no reason why that brand can't be filled with cool people worthy of attention. Well of course, but it's silly to dissect the ratings like this because there are a lot of variables to each home's viewing habits. We don't know if those people tuned in or out at a certain time because of the people on the screen or because they were bored/intrigued by the show or whatever. People talk about Punk's long reign as champ and how he didn't "draw". Of course he didn't. He was an undercard champ most if his reign when he wasn't feuding with Cena or Rock. It's sort of the reason Warrior failed as champ, because Hogan took the one big feud Warrior could have had (Earthquake) and Warrior was stuck doing a retread of his feud with Rick Rude, then was stuck doing 6 man tags with LOD against Demolition.
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Post by zeez on Aug 30, 2013 12:40:02 GMT -5
It's one show. Do the numbers over the past few weeks show a trend in favor of Punk and Bryan? Does someone have the numbers for that?
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 30, 2013 12:44:25 GMT -5
That might explain why he's always been crap.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Aug 30, 2013 13:21:54 GMT -5
It's one show. Do the numbers over the past few weeks show a trend in favor of Punk and Bryan? Does someone have the numbers for that? Looking over the past few Raw rating threads, yes. Punk and Bryan have been doing well for a while (moreso Punk because Bryan was JUST put in this spotlight angle). Although whenever Punk vs. Axel is put on for an extended period of time it seems to do a liiiitle worse, so that's going to be an interesting thing to look at going into NoC.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 30, 2013 13:36:58 GMT -5
These threads never fail to bring out the bias lurking within people.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 30, 2013 13:49:18 GMT -5
Just wondering but what did the Del Rio/RVD quarter hour do? Didn't see that mentioned.
Aside from the HHH/Orton trash I kind of like where WWE is going right now. If Bryan is drawing better ratings than Punk it might be because he's now 100% babyface and thus everyone is backing him. Punk did in fact act like a creep in a lot of ways circa 2011. It's kind of hard to really get behind a guy who threatens to take the title and leave with it, or badmouths anyone in authority who is trying to do right by him (HHH then).
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Post by Arrow on Aug 30, 2013 14:12:07 GMT -5
People talk about Punk's long reign as champ and how he didn't "draw". Of course he didn't. He was an undercard champ most if his reign when he wasn't feuding with Cena or Rock. The question that should be asked is "was Punk a bad draw (assuming he was a bad draw, that is) because he was an undercard champ, or was he an undercard champ because he didn't draw?". If Punk had the ability to make the most money of anybody in the company, then why didn't WWE use him like it? It doesn't make sense for any company to intentionally, knowingly (considering that WWE would have the resources to at least make an educated guess as to whether or not Punk could draw greater than Cena) cost itself money that way. Yet they still took the opportunity to keep in a visible position, which I don't think they'd do if he weren't making any money for them. So my personal belief has been that regardless of whether or not Punk could draw on his own merit, the main thing was that he just couldn't do it as well as Cena, which would be why he was always secondary to him and others on that level. Now we have Punk in 2013, and Daniel Bryan. Since Cena is out for apparently 4-6 months, it should be long enough to see a trend developing in the ratings, pay-per-view buys, etc. where WWE (and us) to see how they do in that position. As for the "no wrestler draws, only the brand does" argument, I'll believe that when WWE stops putting only its top people in high-profile places.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 30, 2013 14:26:17 GMT -5
We should have internet faves drop more pipe bombs. It does big ratings despite the lack of logic behind it.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 30, 2013 14:40:56 GMT -5
We should have internet faves drop more pipe bombs. It does big ratings despite the lack of logic behind it. Next week! Zack Ryder cuts a promo about how he's being held down and how he's a 'real wrestler'! Segment loses 4 million viewers. Somehow.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Aug 30, 2013 14:56:31 GMT -5
See? HHH can draw out of those 2 broomsticks better than anyone else.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 30, 2013 15:11:30 GMT -5
Nash should tell those silly smarks in the IWC how ending the winning streak of a hot rising star by having him job to a broken down slacker and losing the company's main title to a fingerpoke is also good for long term business prospects.
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Post by PTBartman on Aug 30, 2013 15:43:18 GMT -5
Anything Christian does is a ratings killer. The guy is so stale it's pretty sad. Every time I hear his music it's instant "go make a sammich" time. GO! Make a sandwich in this time Add margarine in zeal Take the lettuce from the fridge Add tomatoes and make that into a meal Into a meal. I don't know why, but that reminded me of the "thing's I can do faster than pinning Orlando Jordan" vignettes." Then Ithought, It's been more than 7 years and that wouldn't be a bad angle for christian. But instead of face taunting heel, flip it. It 'd have to be a good cocky heel, so Sandow or Ambrose would be perfect. Or they could use it ti debut a new guy, incoming rookie gets inside the veterans head. Any good cocky heels on NXT? Also, don't take it so gosh darn seriously. Let him show the Charisma and and spot on comic timing of the E&C days. Speaking of which, bring in Edge and DDP and try to erase the memories of the travesty that was "the post E&C temper tantrum angle" I wouldn't mind another Dr. Shelby run.
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Post by babyfootball on Aug 30, 2013 15:45:35 GMT -5
I'd argue that there has been more complaining about people who twist these kinds of stats to work in their favor than people ACTUALLY DOING IT.
It's a circular argument, complaining about people doing something significantly more than they're actually doing it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 30, 2013 15:50:22 GMT -5
Christian could be a solid mid-carder, but he's got no chance in his current "one more match....oh I had one and lost" sadsack routine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 15:58:16 GMT -5
I read that segment, on the whole, lost viewers. Any truth to that or is it just rampant speculations? The Divas match before AJ's promo lost viewers. But AJ's promo picked up ratings and was one of the highest rated parts of RAW. Interesting. So bearing that in mind, is AJ a draw, was the segment a draw, or are the two congruous?
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