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Post by Chip on Sept 1, 2013 1:24:57 GMT -5
Don't worry, I got what you mean. JR went out of his way to hire people who otherwise didn't contemplate or really care for a career in pro-wrestling, in doing so he skipped over a ton of talented people that were displaying their already existing passion for the business almost daily. Scouting pro-athletes is a solid strategy but it should never be the only strategy much in the case of JR, well, that and ex-WCW guys. Just because someone had played football at one point doesn't mean they don't have passion for the wrestling business. Look at John Cena and tell me that guy doesn't give a shit about wrestling. Well, most didn't when they were playing football. Even somebody like Brian Pillman didn't have that passion before he was brought into the fold. That passion had to form and grow during training, whereas there was a ton of talent that already had that passion. Cena is kind of a bad example given that he was a UPW champion before WWE even noticed him, so clearly he already had that passion. It's moreso the guys WWE pick up straight out of football. lol @ irrational JR hatred in this thread Irrational? There's a lot about JR that is easy to hate.
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 1, 2013 1:28:05 GMT -5
*William Regal attends PWG show scouting talent*
*two days later*
*WWE announces they're signing Rick Knox*
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Post by JTG Fan on Sept 1, 2013 1:31:02 GMT -5
lol @ irrational JR hatred in this thread Irrational? There's a lot about JR that is easy to hate. In regards to his role as a talent evaluator, it's almost all completely based on perception. You can have your ideas, but nobody really knows who he pushed for and who he didn't push for. We do know he played a big role in getting Mick Foley into the WWF when Vince had no interest, which kind of fly's in the face of the "real athlete" meme. JR obviously likes athletes, he has said they have a certain discipline, but are there any examples to give of pure wrestlers he passed on?
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Post by BigBadZ on Sept 1, 2013 1:32:37 GMT -5
All of them need to take "WWE Passion 101" with professor Beth Phoenix
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Post by Chip on Sept 1, 2013 1:59:11 GMT -5
All of them need to take "WWE Passion 101" with professor Beth Phoenix Eh, it's just a the best word for me to use to get what I mean across in a concise manner.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 1, 2013 2:04:37 GMT -5
I think wrestling works best with a mix. A lot of former football players make for really damn good wrestlers, though a lot of them don't, naturally. A lot of people who go into indie wrestling end up being great, but a lot of them lack the discipline to thrive at higher levels.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 1, 2013 2:05:31 GMT -5
It just rubs me the wrong way because it reeks of the whole "real wrestler" vs ___________ thing. I don't like the idea of <X wrestler>'s dedication to the business being questioned or abilities being downplayed just because they had the good fortune (or apparently now MISfortune) of WWE picking them up early in their careers.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Sept 1, 2013 2:10:19 GMT -5
*William Regal attends PWG show scouting talent* *two days later* *WWE announces they're signing Rick Knox* Ace Steel Rick Knox is the f***ing man!!!
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Post by BigBadZ on Sept 1, 2013 2:15:31 GMT -5
All of them need to take "WWE Passion 101" with professor Beth Phoenix Eh, it's just a the best word for me to use to get what I mean across in a concise manner. I didn't mean for it to be aimed at you. When passion or lack there of, is talked about WWE wrestlers, I only think of JR and Beth Phoenix and the JR jokes were taken.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Sept 1, 2013 2:15:54 GMT -5
Honestly I don't care where a person is coming from. Your background could be from modeling, football, the indies, hell you could be Bill from Accounting or Scruffy the Janitor previously for all I care. If you become a good wrestler all around (mic skills, look, charisma, in ring ablity), then hey you're good. But if you're drizzing shit, then you're drizzling shit.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Sept 1, 2013 2:35:44 GMT -5
I like the that it's Regal that is in this position, and I like the fact that part of the reason he is in this position is that he was good to Triple H when HHH first came to WCW. It's one of those lessons to people to always help others, you never know when they will be in positions of power.
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Post by BigWill on Sept 1, 2013 2:57:41 GMT -5
The thing about non-wrestling signings is that there's no reason to get excited about them. Even if they are great athletes, it usually takes them years before they even become decent enough to make it to the main roster, and even longer before they become big time stars, if they ever. With an indy signing, you get to see their previous work, and see the potential they have in the WWE. And since they already know how to wrestle, that's likely less time they'll spend in developmental, and a higher likely chance that they'll succeed on the main roster.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 1, 2013 3:07:09 GMT -5
The thing about non-wrestling signings is that there's no reason to get excited about them. Even if they are great athletes, it usually takes them years before they even become decent enough to make it to the main roster, and even longer before they become big time stars, if they ever. With an indy signing, you get to see their previous work, and see the potential they have in the WWE. And since they already know how to wrestle, that's likely less time they'll spend in developmental, and a higher likely chance that they'll succeed on the main roster. Of course an indy talent is better, but does that necessarily mean that all their non-indy talents or talents who were only on the indies for a cup of coffee have have to be written off entirely? It honestly feels as if WWE management has decided, "F*** it, these guys suck" which really isn't true at all.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Sept 1, 2013 3:31:26 GMT -5
Chuck Taylor is still in PWG, right?
SIGN HIM, DAMMIT!!!!!
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Post by Talent Name on Sept 1, 2013 9:56:53 GMT -5
Just imagine if this leads to them signing either Willie Mack, The Super Smash Bros. or Drake Younger
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Post by Chip on Sept 1, 2013 9:58:38 GMT -5
Just imagine if this leads to them signing either Willie Mack, The Super Smash Bros. or Drake Younger I feel a tad bad saying this but, a Willie Mack/Xavier Woods tag team would be gold.
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Post by Loser on Sept 1, 2013 10:00:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 10:28:49 GMT -5
I can see the scouting department during the Big Johnny era doing nothing all day except for the occasional Tecmo Bowl tournament. Triple H burst through the doors, destroys the NES with a sledgehammer and eight interns come walking in each with a box full of DVD's. Trips tells them to watch and take notes and they cannot leave until they watch everything. They remind him that they need food and water, he's brings up tearing his quad twice and leaves.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Sept 1, 2013 10:31:00 GMT -5
Just imagine if this leads to them signing either Willie Mack, The Super Smash Bros. or Drake Younger I rarely watch anything involving the Indys, but last year I watched a few episodes of various shows and the two people that most interested me were El Generico and Willie Mack. And we know what happened with the former, I'd love to see the latter have the same happen.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 1, 2013 10:34:37 GMT -5
The critera should be them scouting for anyone that clearly has the chops to make it in WWE. That could either be a six-year indy vet or a two-year vet who played college football, but both are better options than them just plunking up clearly inexperienced guys that they train to learn how to wrestle/talk on their own, as they were apparently doing a few years back.
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