paywindah
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Post by paywindah on Sept 1, 2013 13:06:09 GMT -5
Clay Matthews and Animal's son have wwe written all over them Neither of those 2 need the $ or a job, even after they are done playing. WWE is probably contacting several of the now-former NFL players who got cut yesterday that they've targeted as possible wrestlers.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 1, 2013 13:44:10 GMT -5
I don't understand why scouting is so hard. As a wrestler, one of the hardest things to do in the world is to get an indy wrestling crowd to care about you. So as a scout, all you have to do is find the guys on the indies who get the biggest reactions and there's your next WWE superstars. If a guy can get themselves over on the indies, they certainly will be able to get over with a WWE crowd with all the added production value. I think it's harder to get over with a WWE crowd to be honest, hence why so many guys have failed. WWE crowds have for so long been been conditioned to treat only a few people as being worthy of attention, and getting into that group is as much luck as anything else. Indie crowds can be fickle, but the type of wrestling fan that would go to an indie show is, in general, just more lively and raucous than a WWE crowd with the exception of a few cities.
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Post by 543Y2J on Sept 1, 2013 13:47:50 GMT -5
Now I want to see Regal vs Steen.... Sign Steen, Ricochet, SSB, Willie Mack, Rich Swann, Roderick Strong and Sexy Chucky T you fools!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 13:48:29 GMT -5
So as a scout, all you have to do is find the guys on the indies who get the biggest reactions and there's your next WWE superstars. If a guy can get themselves over on the indies, they certainly will be able to get over with a WWE crowd with all the added production value. This isn't always the case as history has shown. That's not just in wrestling either, there are a lot of variables that have to be taken into consideration to see why it isn't that simple.
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Post by 543Y2J on Sept 1, 2013 14:12:04 GMT -5
Pic I found of him at the show via tumblr
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Post by Reflecto on Sept 1, 2013 14:20:50 GMT -5
THAT is why scouting is so hard.
The biggest thing to remember about all of entertainment- not just wrestling, is that rule number one is "nobody knows anything". There is no one answer that says "yes, this person will absolutely be a star", simply because when live crowds are involved, anything can happen- and there's no guarantees any way. Former football players have Cena/Simmons/etc., but they also have John Heidenreich or Ricky Ortiz. Models have Trish Stratus, but they also have Rosa Mendes. Multiple-generation-guys have The Rock and Randy Orton, but they also have Bo Dallas and Curtis Axel. And top indy names have CM Punk and Daniel Bryan, but they also have Kaval and Paul London.
This is the real issue to remember for why it's hard to really scout people well- even the best scouts out there have to go in realizing that their legacy is based on complete and utter dumb luck. When live crowds are involved, anything is possible for their reactions, to the point where you could have a third generation star, former All-Pro NFL player who's a fashion icon and once put on a five-star match in Ring of Honor get signed, then go over like a fart in church- but you could also shout out your window, hire the first person who walks by, and see them main event Wrestlemania. It's unfeasible, but you just DON'T KNOW.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 1, 2013 15:09:42 GMT -5
Instead of Bo Dallas, who is a hit and axel who is midcard use real flops like Manu and Eric Watts
All samoans in wrestling played college football except joe, but he did play varsity in high school
I think Roman Reigns. A samoan family member. And a guy recruited out of college. Who has delicered on the big stage will be the next hit.
Dolph, Brock, Angle, shelton, swagger never did indies
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 1, 2013 16:38:51 GMT -5
Regal was also at the WrestleCON shows a few months ago.
THAT is why scouting is so hard.
Well the other issue with scouting being hard is not every indy/territory has the same crowd so not all the same things get over. As much as I love a company like CHIKARA. a lot of their guys have to re-tool or completely be different people outside of that realm. Look at some of the indy darlings WWE has signed in recent years. While they were all generally the same they made the right tweaks to the character needed to get over elsewhere. The Jon Moxley in CZW wasn't the same as the one in Dragon Gate USA. The Claudio Castagnoli of CHIKARA was not the same as the one in PWG or ROH. The El Generico of PWG was not the same as the one in Canada.
Guys also evolve over time. Sami Callihan (post weight loss) came into CZW as a hick with a trucker gimmick. He quickly turned into The New Age Horror (Crazy Goth gimmick) then becoming the Callihan Death Machine that got him signed. Cesaro/Claudio was a Swiss Banker like 5 years ago on the indy scene and adapted. When Generico first started getting booked in the states is was as a comedy guy who got the crap kicked out of him, but he became more than that.
I think more issues with hires also comes from how development used to be ran. You can't just take guys with little to no training, train them your way, and put them into a controlled environment like FCW tv used to be (or even OVW and DSW were). They don't learn how to go in front of an actual audience. Some can overcome those hurtles, some can't
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Post by EyeofTyr on Sept 1, 2013 16:43:41 GMT -5
If Cage wasn't such a bonehead, I'd say he was an obvious guy that Regal would have his eye on. Especially seeing as he was in the system at one point.
Shame too, because Cage is a freakin' machine and has come a long way from his Wolverine cosplay days of FCW.
There's a bunch of other talent of those shows though that I hope Regal takes note of. I know, supposedly, they've had their eye on Cole for a long while now.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 1, 2013 17:07:02 GMT -5
Cage and Elgin would be great in wwe. They are like a new school gordy/williams. Wellness be damned.
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Post by Digital Witness on Sept 1, 2013 21:02:12 GMT -5
Cage and Elgin would be great in wwe. They are like a new school gordy/williams. Wellness be damned. I think Cage is the only one who'd have to worry about wellness. I'm pretty sure Elgin is legit freak of nature. I think JR would also try to bring in Elgin asap. I want Ricochet, Cole, and O'Reilly to get their shot.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 1, 2013 21:05:00 GMT -5
Elgin is like a mish mash of Dr Death, Jean Pierre Laffitte, bob holly, hugh morrus, and rhyno.
He is a hoss who can work, and he is canadian. Who trained elgin anyways?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 1, 2013 21:27:39 GMT -5
Cage and Elgin would be great in wwe. They are like a new school gordy/williams. Wellness be damned. I think Cage is the only one who'd have to worry about wellness. I'm pretty sure Elgin is legit freak of nature. I think JR would also try to bring in Elgin asap. I want Ricochet, Cole, and O'Reilly to get their shot. As long as Elgin doesn't keep the mullet (if he grew it out again) he'd be fine. If Cage could pass a wellness test (which I think is very questionable at this point) I'd mark for the Unbreakable F'n Machines in WWE.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 1, 2013 21:36:16 GMT -5
The scott norton mullett sells him as an old school eighties/nineties wrestler. It works for him.
Santino has had worse hair and enzo amore's hair is horrible
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 1, 2013 21:37:51 GMT -5
Problem with Willie Mack is that the guy just looks bad. He's reaaaaally out of shape. If they're getting on Ohno for that stuff, you think Mack or Chuck Taylor would fare any better? I want to see Willie Mack and Big E as a team. Chuck Taylor isn't "out of shape". He's just a little on the slimmer side. He's a pretty handsome dude and looks kinda marketable as he is (I could totally see teeny boppers and perverts like myself marking out for him). WWE doesn't need to bring EVERYONE in with the hopes of making them the next John Cena. His look is nothing that a few weight sessions and steak sandwiches won't fix.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Sept 1, 2013 21:44:07 GMT -5
*William Regal attends PWG show scouting talent* *two days later* *WWE announces they're signing Rick Knox* Ace Steel Rick Knox is the f***ing man!!! Ok I want to see this guy in wwe now
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 1, 2013 22:42:11 GMT -5
Well the other issue with scouting being hard is not every indy/territory has the same crowd so not all the same things get over. As much as I love a company like CHIKARA. a lot of their guys have to re-tool or completely be different people outside of that realm. Look at some of the indy darlings WWE has signed in recent years. While they were all generally the same they made the right tweaks to the character needed to get over elsewhere. The Jon Moxley in CZW wasn't the same as the one in Dragon Gate USA. The Claudio Castagnoli of CHIKARA was not the same as the one in PWG or ROH. The El Generico of PWG was not the same as the one in Canada. Guys also evolve over time. Sami Callihan (post weight loss) came into CZW as a hick with a trucker gimmick. He quickly turned into The New Age Horror (Crazy Goth gimmick) then becoming the Callihan Death Machine that got him signed. Cesaro/Claudio was a Swiss Banker like 5 years ago on the indy scene and adapted. When Generico first started getting booked in the states is was as a comedy guy who got the crap kicked out of him, but he became more than that. I think you hit on a huge thing. Indie guys could adapt their gimmick every show depending on where they are and the sensibilities with the crowd. WWE guys are on nationally, so they have to have some consistency. They can't just change every week at least and still be over everywhere. So it's an entirely different skill set and mentality, along with the knowledge that they don't truly have complete control over their character and how they're booked.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 1, 2013 22:57:35 GMT -5
Takes a lot of skill to make your character over to everybody
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Post by kamotengkahoy on Sept 2, 2013 0:36:27 GMT -5
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Post by Medicinal Thunder Liger on Sept 2, 2013 7:14:55 GMT -5
it's weird seeing a pic of Regal in that reseda building. this is all for the best. it looks like Punk slowly but surely is getting his wish of change back there. not to mention just everyone generally being happy about it. the fact he was there in general is positive news.
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