FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 2, 2013 22:41:40 GMT -5
Yeah, this point/"joke" has been made before, and it's still complete nonsense. There are lots of people getting pushes in the WWE, and 99% of them are straight. How many of them suddenly started getting more wins on Raw and Smackdown after they announced their sexuality on TMZ? None, because straight people don't have to announce their sexuality because it's taken as default. But hey, if we broaden it out slightly, I can think of at least one person who got a lot more wins and status in the WWE based on who they had a relationship with. You can see him several times a night on Raw now, shouting about what's good for this business.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 2, 2013 22:44:55 GMT -5
How many of them suddenly started getting more wins on Raw and Smackdown after they announced their sexuality on TMZ? None, because straight people don't have to announce their sexuality because it's taken as default. But hey, if we broaden it out slightly, I can think of at least one person who got a lot more wins and status in the WWE based on who they had a relationship with. You can see him several times a night on Raw now, shouting about what's good for this business. If WWE really wanted to play off of Darren's sexuality, they should've kept the PTPs heel and let them join forces with that guy who shouts about what's good for business. It would've been a more subtle, subverted way to show how "tolerant" and "progressive" WWE rather than being so blatantly pandering about it. Yes, while Darren's coming out isn't mentioned on TV, it's just so weird that they're suddenly face with no story behind it, yet veryone knows why they're face and getting pushed. It feels awkward.
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trollrogue
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Post by trollrogue on Sept 2, 2013 22:45:06 GMT -5
This workplace advancement maneuver will forever be known as the "Pullin' a D-Young" trick.
Unfortunately, the only way the trick can be successful is if you look like the spittin' image of the company's top earner (if they were of another ethnic group) before you come out of the closet. It's a pretty sick one to setup, more power to D-Young for making the long con work!
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Sept 2, 2013 22:46:15 GMT -5
How many of them have announced their sexuality on TMZ? The one who is suddenly get a push that wasn't getting pushed a month ago. Yes, only one person announced he was gay, and his team ended up getting a push after. So it's dumb to just assume that everyone who announces that they're gay would get a push.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Sept 2, 2013 22:47:25 GMT -5
DARREN YOUNG FROM BEHIND!
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Post by Brooklynpunk97 on Sept 2, 2013 22:48:21 GMT -5
They should take the Tag-Titles from the Shield.
The Shield is beyond boring and dull.
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FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 2, 2013 22:48:47 GMT -5
The change between face and heel isn't even that dramatic. They probably would have turned face eventually anyway. It's not like they went from acting like the Shield to dancing like Brodus Clay.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Sept 2, 2013 22:55:44 GMT -5
Oh, and I like how getting to beat the Real Americans and 3MB apparently constitutes a mega-push these days.
PTP went from lower-midcard heels to... mid-midcard babyfaces. They're being positioned on about the Usos' level, kayfabe-wise.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 2, 2013 22:58:14 GMT -5
They haven't mentioned him being gay at all on-screen have they?
So ok, backstage he may have seen a positive benefit; but as long as storyline/character wise that's not the case then where is the exploitation part coming in?
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Post by trollrogue on Sept 2, 2013 23:04:33 GMT -5
DARREN YOUNG FROM BEHIND! DARREN YOUNG CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE WITH THE SMALL PACKAGE!
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Sept 2, 2013 23:06:37 GMT -5
DARREN YOUNG FROM BEHIND! DARREN YOUNG CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE WITH THE SMALL PACKAGE! MARK HENRY HANDLING THE BIG JOHNSON! OH WAIT!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 2, 2013 23:10:00 GMT -5
Oh, and I like how getting to beat the Real Americans and 3MB apparently constitutes a mega-push these days. PTP went from lower-midcard heels to... mid-midcard babyfaces. They're being positioned on about the Usos' level, kayfabe-wise. It kind of does. You don't see Zack Ryder or Curt Hawkins getting to be booked against those guys and winning on a weekly basis, now do you?
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Sept 2, 2013 23:16:04 GMT -5
I think the sudden turn was so that noone feels encouraged to boo the gay guy, which would be dreadful to PR.
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trollrogue
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Post by trollrogue on Sept 2, 2013 23:23:42 GMT -5
^Not even Dolph Ziggler can beat The Real Americans on Superstars. Or the most over rookie on NXT, Sami Zayn. PTP are really getting the biggest push of their careers, let's not kid ourselves.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 2, 2013 23:28:20 GMT -5
I think the sudden turn was so that noone feels encouraged to boo the gay guy, which would be dreadful to PR. Like I said. They're worried that it's "bad form".
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Sc
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Post by Sc on Sept 2, 2013 23:29:52 GMT -5
Since Darren Young admitted he was gay. So I guess the lesson is if you want a push say that you're gay. Even if you're not. Orton is WWE champion. Maybe people should claim they are 3rd generation superstars to get pushes, even if they're not. CM Punk is a top face in the company. Maybe people should claim to be Straight Edge, even if they're not. I am not sure what exactly was the point of your post, but as a gay man, I found it offensive The point is almost everyone else is getting pushed based on talent and ability while Darren Young is getting pushed because he's gay.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Sept 2, 2013 23:34:34 GMT -5
Thread is kinda sorta infuriating, you know?
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FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 2, 2013 23:34:44 GMT -5
Orton is WWE champion. Maybe people should claim they are 3rd generation superstars to get pushes, even if they're not. CM Punk is a top face in the company. Maybe people should claim to be Straight Edge, even if they're not. I am not sure what exactly was the point of your post, but as a gay man, I found it offensive The point is almost everyone else is getting pushed based on talent and ability while Darren Young is getting pushed because he's gay. So Titus and Young don't have talent and ability? Seriously? And by that measure, Brie Bella's in a Divas' title match at Night Of Champions because she's just that good? Roman Reigns' role in the Shield has nothing to do with his family connections? Triple H appears several times every show just because he's so goshdarn talented?
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Post by chazraps on Sept 2, 2013 23:38:17 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Darren Young's strong showing against CM Punk predate his coming out? They had been slowly building all summer. Plus, it's not like the fan turn has really changed their personalities at all. They're hitting all the same idiosyncrasies we've come to love, they're just facing heels now. Isn't that what we've been wanting from our logical fan-dictated heel-faces turns for a while now?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 2, 2013 23:40:13 GMT -5
The point is almost everyone else is getting pushed based on talent and ability while Darren Young is getting pushed because he's gay. So Titus and Young don't have talent and ability? Seriously? And by that measure, Brie Bella's in a Divas' title match at Night Of Champions because she's just that good? Roman Reigns' role in the Shield has nothing to do with his family connections? Triple H appears several times every show just because he's so goshdarn talented? Not taking away from their talent and ability, but it does seem a bit suspect that Darren Young now gets to be one of the featured regulars because of his coming out while the Major Bros. or JTG sit on the sidelines because they don't appeal to "certain kinds" of fans. It's no different from Sin Cara or Del Rio getting pushed to pull in the Latin demographic.
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