Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 4, 2013 20:27:24 GMT -5
Hmm... I'm torn between 16, 25, and 23.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Sept 4, 2013 20:54:58 GMT -5
27 is the only Mania that's entirely inconsequential.
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AdamAFL was sooooo wrong
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Sept 4, 2013 20:57:47 GMT -5
27 was pretty bad. It's the only 'Mania I've watched as it happened where I've actually considered turning it off and going to bed. Taker/HHH saved that show, without that match it would be a shoo-in for the worst show ever. The main event is also one of the worst 'Mania main events of all-time. Just overall a horrible PPV. Which is ironic considering the next PPV (Extreme Rules '11) was actually pretty good.
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Post by RIHT on Sept 4, 2013 21:02:00 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 15 has a good rep because of the classic Austin vs. Rock. Wrestlemania 29 has bad rep for the sub-par Cena vs. Rock.
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Post by BigBadZ on Sept 4, 2013 21:25:03 GMT -5
I'd say that Rock vs Hogan alone puts it way out of the running for worst Wrestlemania. As for the topic, Wrestlemania "2000" is just barely better than FillerMania 27. I feel lucky to have been there live to witness Edge's final match but I didn't know that going in. WM 27 was basically a set up to 28 with Rock/Cena and Triple H/Taker 2: HiaC. Side note: I have terrible luck with Wrestlemania firsts. The first ppv I ever saw live on tv was Wrestlemania 15 and the first Wrestlemania I attended was 27. Eh, I guess. Honestly, I have always hated Rock / Hogan. Just always found it very bland; crowd makes the match I guess but since I've never been much of a fan of either (both have plenty of moments and matches I like a lot, but neither's ever been someone I've actively looked forward to watching) the reaction's never meant much to me. Though that being said I will give them both credit that I completely love their Mania 19 matches. Fair enough, as my person bias also come into play. Hogan/Rock is easily in my top 5 of all time, I just have to block out the nWo part after the match but other than that. And to credit your original post, the only other thing I remember is the Taker/Flair match and block out the Undisputed Championship match which was HHH vs Stephanie ft a cameo of Jericho.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 21:35:35 GMT -5
27 is the only Mania that's entirely inconsequential. In the most literal since that's true, because it's the only Mania that doesn't have a single title change.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 21:43:02 GMT -5
It's funny since after WMXX I have been underwhelmed by the odd number manias or disappointed in them then the even number ones. Wrestlemania 25 main event pissed me off the most even though the rest of the card was alright mostly.
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Post by mizerable on Sept 4, 2013 21:46:42 GMT -5
Cena / Miz wasn't great, but I wouldn't say it's the worst Mania main event ever. Even with 9 out of the question, you had 11 where the main event was a meaningless match between a lifetime midcarder and a football player and 8 where it ended in a DQ. Here's the thing though; Sid/Hogan at least had a quasi-interesting story going for it. I'll admit the match wasn't the best and Savage/Flair would have been a better closer, but I guess Hogan has to be involved in the end of the show for some reason. The botched finish was pretty bad, no doubt...but I actually prefer this match to his match with Slaughter, which I hated with a f***ing passion. LT/Bigelow was better than it should have been. It certainly didn't need to be the f***in' main event, but it's a testament to how talented Bam Bam was, that he made LT look fairly credible. Not to mention, how it actually topped both Taker and Bret's matches. This whole Mania was a mess. But Miz/Cena? I didn't have high hopes going in, but they had a decent feud previously, so I gave it the benefit of the doubt. There was NO chemistry between these 2 in the match. People will say it was a concussion or something, but I've never seen Cena perform that poorly and Miz without a 4 star ring general, is going to get lost real quick. On top of that, the finish was bogus and here's the thing...while it should never be acceptable to end the show the way they did, at least back in the day, they were still learning. By Wrestlemania 27, you book a solid finish...not bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 21:50:45 GMT -5
Cena / Miz wasn't great, but I wouldn't say it's the worst Mania main event ever. Even with 9 out of the question, you had 11 where the main event was a meaningless match between a lifetime midcarder and a football player and 8 where it ended in a DQ. Here's the thing though; Sid/Hogan at least had a quasi-interesting story going for it. I'll admit the match wasn't the best and Savage/Flair would have been a better closer, but I guess Hogan has to be involved in the end of the show for some reason. The botched finish was pretty bad, no doubt...but I actually prefer this match to his match with Slaughter, which I hated with a f***ing passion. LT/Bigelow was better than it should have been. It certainly didn't need to be the f***in' main event, but it's a testament to how talented Bam Bam was, that he made LT look fairly credible. Not to mention, how it actually topped both Taker and Bret's matches. This whole Mania was a mess. But Miz/Cena? I didn't have high hopes going in, but they had a decent feud previously, so I gave it the benefit of the doubt. There was NO chemistry between these 2 in the match. People will say it was a concussion or something, but I've never seen Cena perform that poorly and Miz without a 4 star ring general, is going to get lost real quick. On top of that, the finish was bogus and here's the thing...while it should never be acceptable to end the show the way they did, at least back in the day, they were still learning. By Wrestlemania 27, you book a solid finish...not bullshit. Fair enough. But yeah, I think the problem with the match was a mix of factors - Miz's concussion, Cena just being off in general (and I've heard some sources say he got one too), the overbooked mess of an ending, the build basically ignoring Miz entirely, and the fact that everyone knew the match wasn't ending for real until Rock got involved with it - all conspiring against it. Seems to be a common problem with Miz and Cena; if, like the Raw after the Bash or whatever show the PPV match during their first feud took place on or Raw is Riding Rock's Dick, they're on free TV, they click really well. If they're on PPV, it's a complete train wreck. Both seem to be consistent things with them for whatever reason.
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Post by bigalbass86 AKA Smokin Vokoun on Sept 4, 2013 22:11:14 GMT -5
I think out of all of them since 15, 27 has to be the worst. Just by looking at the card, it looks like crap. I also agree with 2000 being kind of a low point. I still don't get why they had to have every match be some form of tag match or 3 or way. Imagine if they tried that today. On a sidenote, Wrestlemania 18 still is in my top 5 favorite Manias just on Hogan vs Rock. So that show should FAAAR away from Worst Wrestlemanias discussions.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Sept 4, 2013 22:19:55 GMT -5
Fair enough. But yeah, I think the problem with the match was a mix of factors - Miz's concussion, Cena just being off in general (and I've heard some sources say he got one too), the overbooked mess of an ending, the build basically ignoring Miz entirely, and the fact that everyone knew the match wasn't ending for real until Rock got involved with it - all conspiring against it. Seems to be a common problem with Miz and Cena; if, like the Raw after the Bash or whatever show the PPV match during their first feud took place on or Raw is Riding Rock's Dick, they're on free TV, they click really well. If they're on PPV, it's a complete train wreck. Both seem to be consistent things with them for whatever reason. Oh no doubt. While there were major MAJOR problems with the match itself, the build to it was even worse. Hell, it would have been nice to get all 3 guys in the ring at some point debating, but it becomes clear there's bad blood between Rock and Cena (something they STILL didn't build for 28) and they ignore Miz and he completely calls them out right then and there...have a brawl where he goes after both, gets wasted, then Cena cheapshots Rock. No questions asked. And they could have completely worked around that kind of nonsense. Instead, Cena ignores Miz. Miz goes after Cena, but doesn't do anything to Rock for his bullshit. It was a real mess. Going back to 28...how good would it have been if it was treated as something better than some kind of 2003 MTV PG-13 bullshit movie about 2 guys dissing eachother and learning to respect each other? I'm amazed at after the shit these two were saying in terms of "leaving" and so forth, they could have treated it more seriously. Have Cena get pissed about Rock just coming in and "taking his spot" or something or saying he's no longer welcome there. Were they afraid that Cena might get *gasp* booed? So f***ing dumb.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 23:47:06 GMT -5
This years.
In fact all of the stadium ones apart from the first one (24?) have been really lackluster
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 5, 2013 3:20:07 GMT -5
27. A chore to watch and the main event was a sit and wait for the Rock to come out. Then he did and it sucked.
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Post by TGM on Sept 5, 2013 4:53:01 GMT -5
Did anything historically significant happen at 16? It's not a particularly bad show as everything was still mega hot at the time, but there's nothing memorable about it at all.
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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 5, 2013 5:50:40 GMT -5
Nothing come close to 27. Just abysmal.
I really liked 28 though. The 3 main event's were all good. Rock/Cena was a bigger main event than anything else in the 20's. With a MITB and a real World Title match, it could have been great...
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 5, 2013 5:52:03 GMT -5
16's main is basically set up for Backlash 2000. They wanted to tease out the Austin return for one more month to see if they could get a big boost to Backlash's sales, and they did so it worked.
The three-way tag match was a big thing at the time but got totally overshadowed by the subsequent matches in the same year.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Sept 5, 2013 6:28:31 GMT -5
27 is the only Mania to open with a promo, right? That seals it in my book.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 5, 2013 7:00:41 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 27, in which one of the only heels to retain in the main event of Mania ever was an afterthought in his own damn title match.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 10:11:48 GMT -5
WrestleMania 2000 (XVI) is largely forgettable, but WrestleMania XXVII was the worst WrestleMania in nearly two decades.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Sept 5, 2013 10:43:01 GMT -5
27 and 29
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