Dean-o
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Post by Dean-o on Sept 5, 2013 15:38:55 GMT -5
Are people really that upset that for ONCE we get a dominant heel faction that shows the babyfaces as weak and outnumbered? Would you rather have SuperCena clear the ring each week, or do today's fans just don't have the patience that long term fans like myself had in the 80's and early 90's?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 15:45:33 GMT -5
Each story is its own entity, and needs to be executed in its own unique way and at its own pace in order to be successful. Comparing this Corporation thing to an older angle or a movie or book is fine, but what worked for those stories doesn't work for every single story, especially when we're crossing mediums.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Sept 5, 2013 15:51:52 GMT -5
Are people really that upset that for ONCE we get a dominant heel faction that shows the babyfaces as weak and outnumbered? Would you rather have SuperCena clear the ring each week, or do today's fans just don't have the patience that long term fans like myself had in the 80's and early 90's? Two things. One, where were you when everyone was upset that we didn't have a serious heel or heel faction, and were highly disappointed in virtually every angle consisting of one soon going down the "LOLCENAWINS" route? Two, this isn't about patience; this is about the fact that, if you chopped the ends of RAW and SmackDown off and shuffled them, you wouldn't be able to tell which piece went where. For all the people talking about "progression," I haven't seen it, every week it's been the same: Ziggler gets his ass beat, Big Show cries, Bryan gets his ass fed to him to end the show, and all throughout the rest of the roster stands there cuckolded. This isn't about a similar theme ending a show, this is about the exact same sequence throughout the show. How is that opinion hard to comprehend? |
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Sept 5, 2013 15:57:39 GMT -5
probably 90% of all Nitros for a good 2 years would end with NWO spray painting dead people while the crowd would throw garbage on the ring. Terrible terrible memories. Hope WWE will learn of those kind of mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 16:01:41 GMT -5
Are people really that upset that for ONCE we get a dominant heel faction that shows the babyfaces as weak and outnumbered? Would you rather have SuperCena clear the ring each week, or do today's fans just don't have the patience that long term fans like myself had in the 80's and early 90's? I too watched the glory days of the late 80s and early 90s and its not even a fair comparison IMO. Something like the MegaPowers exploding occurred over one year which had 4 PPVs, a handful of SNME's and random interviews with Mean Gene and promos on the squash shows. All in all that storyline probably played out over the course of what would be 1-2 PPVs in the modern era. It's a lot easier to be patient with something if you're a) not getting saturated with it constantly, b) know that the next big development is weeks off and c) you didnt have much choice in the matter.Less was more back then, but that model is no longer a viable plan with so many hours of TV/PPV and the episodic nature of WWE programming. It's just the nature of the beast now. |
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Post by Unocal 76 on Sept 5, 2013 16:02:11 GMT -5
Stone Cold wasn't booked quite like a SuperCena.
Looking at 1998:
HBK got him twice on RAW with Sweet Chin Music in the weeks before WrestleMania 14
The 4/13 RAW that broke the Nitro streak- attacked by Dude Love
1998 King of the Ring lead in- Kane shoved him into a casket one week and the 'Raises hand, Blood-like substance falls on him.'
Night after Survivor Series- Undertaker lays him out with shovel
Go-home show before Rock Bottom 1998- the controversial moment where he is on the Undertaker sign
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Post by Sam Punk on Sept 5, 2013 16:12:52 GMT -5
Would you rather have SuperCena clear the ring each week Yes. I will never complain about a babyface going over. (Unless it's HHH) |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Sept 5, 2013 17:01:37 GMT -5
probably 90% of all Nitros for a good 2 years would end with NWO spray painting dead people while the crowd would throw garbage on the ring. Terrible terrible memories. Hope WWE will learn of those kind of mistake. Yeah they have a long way to go to get to that point but if Triple H has the same idea about "building heat" like his buddies Hall and Nash, this angle is gonna suck. The NWO was horrible. I've recently gone back and watched a ton of early Monday night war era stuff and most is better than I remembered, but the NWO is terrible television. The night The Giant turns, the NWO beats up the chair wielding Horseman, Dungeon of Doom, and Randy Savage alone with their bare fists. It's utter garbage. |
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Post by CM Parish on Sept 5, 2013 17:04:17 GMT -5
To be fair it's always going to be more palatable if the most popular guy in the company is whipping ass at the end of the show. People will overlook a lot if it's perceived as entertaining. The most popular guy is, HHH is whipping all kinds of ass. |
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Post by trollrogue on Sept 5, 2013 17:16:43 GMT -5
Well it's better than the 1997 Era when Kaientai used to go around and chop off wrestlers' penises every last segment of RAW. Val Venis and other victims like him were never the same after that dark period (he had to change his name to Chief Morley, for Chrissakes! A man shamed.)
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Post by Jiren on Sept 5, 2013 17:28:29 GMT -5
We need Bryan to do something like the Cement truck & Vince's Corvette, The Yescalade was too tame
He gets some revenge on HHHorton with "beating" them
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Post by kidglov3s on Sept 5, 2013 17:38:14 GMT -5
probably 90% of all Nitros for a good 2 years would end with NWO spray painting dead people while the crowd would throw garbage on the ring. Terrible terrible memories. Hope WWE will learn of those kind of mistake. Yeah they have a long way to go to get to that point but if Triple H has the same idea about "building heat" like his buddies Hall and Nash, this angle is gonna suck. The NWO was horrible. I've recently gone back and watched a ton of early Monday night war era stuff and most is better than I remembered, but the NWO is terrible television. The night The Giant turns, the NWO beats up the chair wielding Horseman, Dungeon of Doom, and Randy Savage alone with their bare fists. It's utter garbage. What I find fascinating is Bryan Alvarez and Dave Meltzer will speak at length about how problematic the Hall and Nash method of "putting guys over without putting them over" was, and yet neither of them are calling out the parallels in this recent WWE product. Lance Storm has, if not explicitly, and surely Todd Martin will. |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Sept 5, 2013 18:59:11 GMT -5
To be fair it's always going to be more palatable if the most popular guy in the company is whipping ass at the end of the show. But of course, that's every RAW these days ends with Triple H on top. |
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Post by Lancers on Sept 5, 2013 19:26:58 GMT -5
I wasn't particularly fond of the nWo domination era either. I wanted to see Sting come down from the rafters and attack Hogan once and for all, but once Sting made his appearance just staring from the scaffolds above the arena midway through the show, I knew nothing was gonna happen so I'd go back to watching Bret Hart complain about how America is shaped like a toilet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 19:42:11 GMT -5
Barring all the other things people have said about how the SCSA comparison just doesn't hold up.....
"It worked 15 years ago, why won't it work now?" is the exact same argument people make about giving Hogan/Bischoff more power in TNA.
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Post by Snaptastic on Sept 5, 2013 19:44:08 GMT -5
I just want Bryan to come out and spray everyone with soy milk.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Sept 5, 2013 20:23:36 GMT -5
Are people really that upset that for ONCE we get a dominant heel faction that shows the babyfaces as weak and outnumbered? Would you rather have SuperCena clear the ring each week, or do today's fans just don't have the patience that long term fans like myself had in the 80's and early 90's? it's the repetition. If every episode of Breaking Bad for an entire season ended with Walter punching Hank, we'd get bored pretty quick. There's a reason we got bored during the 13 month Cena reign. Every single PPV ended with the same crap. |
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Post by percymania on Sept 5, 2013 22:16:20 GMT -5
The competition featured the nWo gang beatdown everyweek so the Austin ass whoopings were massively over.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 23:40:32 GMT -5
I think my favourite Austin run in is before the 1998 Royal Rumble. All the superstars are waiting for him in the ring. He attacks from the crowd. He attacks one superstar. The rest develop any ability to process movement or noise around them That run had the awesome moment where Skull (or 8 ball) got attacked by loads of people backstage because everyone saw him from behind and thought he was Austin |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 0:02:54 GMT -5
I don't know but if I read a Smackdown spoiler ending with DB kicking ass I would record that Smackdown and watch it.
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