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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 11:17:39 GMT -5
Austin coming out and clearing the ring?
How unoriginal was that? there was no development at all for ages nothing. So slow and boring. Austin wouldn't show up the whole show and then *bang* in the overrun the glass would shatter and he would run down and clear the ring for the last 5 minutes of the show. Every Raw would end with Austin celebrating. this happened for at least 36 weeks in a row, the ratings should have really suffered. Nobody wants to see Raw end the same way each week. Russo had no idea what he was booking. And it made all the rest of the roster look really weak.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Sept 5, 2013 11:19:58 GMT -5
Randy Orton....... Daniel Bryan....
I see what you did there.
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Post by hassanchop on Sept 5, 2013 12:48:56 GMT -5
I guess it's nothing compared to Nitro ending with nWo attacking everybody and flaunting their prowess while spraypainting people at the back.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Sept 5, 2013 12:51:24 GMT -5
I've been watching the RAW episodes from 1998...haven't seen to much of this. Honestly 1999 was the year this happened more.
Yes I know, you're being funny.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 12:51:59 GMT -5
To be fair it's always going to be more palatable if the most popular guy in the company is whipping ass at the end of the show. People will overlook a lot if it's perceived as entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 13:30:55 GMT -5
There was wrestling in 1998?
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Post by Lancers on Sept 5, 2013 13:45:18 GMT -5
Austin going gung ho on the Corporation back then was cathartic for a lot of fans. Guy would come out with a damn beer truck and douse anyone in the ring and anyone in the first five rows with beer. How awesome would that have been to witness live?
Everything now is so sanitized and...boring. The whole Yescalade thing is a terrific example. We don't see the chaos ensue, we see the after effects of it. There's no cathartic release for those who support Bryan. It's just him saying, "Hey! Look at what I did? Ain't I a stinker???"
And let's not forget, the Corporation would win a battle or two on Austin. It wasn't always one-sided affairs. AND it only happened once a week so the novelty had twice the amount of time to wear off.
In conclusion, you can end a show the same way, but change it up a little bit every now and then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 14:28:24 GMT -5
I do get the joke, but think of how frustrating those Raws would have been if instead of crazy stuff like the beer truck and "Bang 3:16," every one of them would have ended with the Corporation laying Austin out.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 5, 2013 14:31:49 GMT -5
I do get the joke, but think of how frustrating those Raws would have been if instead of crazy stuff like the beer truck and "Bang 3:16," every one of them would have ended with the Corporation laying Austin out. Bingo. And let's be honest, Austin doing something crazy unpredictable at the end of every show is a lot different than having Randy Orton do the exact same thing at the end of every show. If they had Orton lay Bryan out in the parking lot in a backstage brawl, it'd go over a lot better than what they've been doing because it wouldn't be the exact same image closing the show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 14:39:29 GMT -5
The popular guy everyone loved comes out, beats up & pwns the powerful bad guy @$$holes week after week and gives the crowd a great fulfilling ending to the show?
....yeesh. Thank God they don't do THAT anymore....
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Post by The Baltimore Staircase on Sept 5, 2013 14:42:17 GMT -5
I think my favourite Austin run in is before the 1998 Royal Rumble. All the superstars are waiting for him in the ring. He attacks from the crowd. He attacks one superstar. The rest develop any ability to process movement or noise around them
Well that or pre-Invasion stunner fest. It was like they were in the video game, just waiting for that finisher sequence/cut screen to be done so they can plan their evil running attack.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 5, 2013 14:42:22 GMT -5
What's with all these passive aggressive threads on here lately? How about some actual debate?
Also, the difference here is that what you described didn't even happen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 14:42:49 GMT -5
The popular guy everyone loved comes out, beats up & pwns the powerful bad guy @$$holes week after week and gives the crowd a great fulfilling ending to the show? ....yeesh. Thank God they don't do THAT anymore.... Seriously, who would ever wanna see that shit? It sounds downright horrible tbh.
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Post by Chip on Sept 5, 2013 14:47:06 GMT -5
The popular guy everyone loved comes out, beats up & pwns the powerful bad guy @$$holes week after week and gives the crowd a great fulfilling ending to the show? ....yeesh. Thank God they don't do THAT anymore.... Right? It's not like they've been doing that with Cena for years and is one of the major factors of a certain slice of the audience disliking him.
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Post by kevin on Sept 5, 2013 14:48:01 GMT -5
I love the current booking. I think the way this has gone since the last payperview has been anazing and that people complaigning about it are dead wrong. I also know that that if this board exsisted in 1998 there would be a lot of threads about how terrible the Austin angle was and how it was the worst storyline ever. There would be many people on here complaining about how similar it was each week and how Austin was booked to strongly and how it would kill WWE. No storyline is so good that people wont complaign that it is the worst storyline ever. This board is proof of that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 14:48:44 GMT -5
I think my favourite Austin run in is before the 1998 Royal Rumble. All the superstars are waiting for him in the ring. He attacks from the crowd. He attacks one superstar. The rest develop any ability to process movement or noise around them To be fair, have you ever been to a wrestling show? Because that music - not to mention a rabid 1998 Austin-psyched crowd - is effing LOUD. If it'd been, say, an actual unscripted moment & surprise to the guys in the ring, I'd reckon vibrations of people moving around in action on the mat would be the only way they could tell something was going on behind them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 14:52:07 GMT -5
Right? It's not like they've been doing that with Cena for years and is one of the major factors of a certain slice of the audience disliking him. Not the same situation at all. Nobody is saying Bryan should come out and squash HHH and co. every week, people just want some type of balance.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Sept 5, 2013 14:56:18 GMT -5
I think my favourite Austin run in is before the 1998 Royal Rumble. All the superstars are waiting for him in the ring. He attacks from the crowd. He attacks one superstar. The rest develop any ability to process movement or noise around them Well that or pre-Invasion stunner fest. It was like they were in the video game, just waiting for that finisher sequence/cut screen to be done so they can plan their evil running attack. Or the night Foley won the title. The glass breaks, the crowd nearly causes a small earthquake with the sheer volume of their response...but Bossman, Shamrock and Test remain focused. The New Age Outlaws and X-Pac are the greater threat in this situation. The Rock is on his own....
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Post by Chip on Sept 5, 2013 15:07:48 GMT -5
Right? It's not like they've been doing that with Cena for years and is one of the major factors of a certain slice of the audience disliking him. Not the same situation at all. Nobody is saying Bryan should come out and squash HHH and co. every week, people just want some type of balance. The quote I replied to implied it. The fact is those endings WERE happening, just for somebody a large portion of us don't enjoy. Now the reverse is happening to somebody most of us are entertained by we yearn for those endings to the show that Cena got week after week. A balance IS necessary and I personally feel they are doing an OK job of it, just the victories I see Bryan attaining are not enough for some people. They seem to want that Cena ending that ruined the momentum of a lot otherwise good storylines. Nexus and Awesome Truth stick out as factions that the majority feel that Cena got victories over way too early.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 15:11:14 GMT -5
I've always thought that there has to be some kind of balance between the babyface having to "chase" the heel and giving the crowd mark-out moments where the face gives the heel what-for in spades.
I get that there has to be some build-up, but there are two problems with that: nobody wants to stick around to watch the guy they're cheering get his ass handed to him every week, and WWE has proven that they have no qualms about building something up just to suddenly drop it.
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