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Post by Red Impact on Sept 8, 2013 9:58:50 GMT -5
I don't see AJ going because while not WWE level. He far to established to start over with a name change. At less in wrestling standards. AJ already been on National world wide TV and PPV. While not close to Main Stream but in wrestling to many people know who AJ is. The thing about ability. The guy been doing PPVs since 2002 and was on some kind of TV since then. What NXT going to do for him? Nothing. Yes he is 36 because he still wrestle the same style and because he worked a lighter then the WWE schedule and injury wise hasn't suffered a major injury. There is no reason. The turn away would be for AJ to change him name and get re established under that new name. Which no promise of a ME push like he gets in TNA. I see him going, and think there are plenty of valid reasons for it. It gives the WWE a chance to come up with something for him to do (lest we get a Braden Walker situation), it gives AJ a chance to work specifically with WWE trained guys so he is aware of the training they go through and how they do moves (lest we get a Sin Cara situation), and it gives WWE a chance to get to know his strengths and weaknesses so they know what they have for him to do. Developmental isn't just learning how to wrestle, it's also on-the-job training for people who would need to know specifically how WWE works, which may be different from how other places work. And no matter how much experience you have in a field, if you're going to work for a new company with their own system and their own way of doing things, you're going to get at least some training. It's not an insult, it's just part of working somewhere new. There are plenty of people talented enough to be working on the main roster, but they all go to developmental because there is something to be gained there. If you haven't been with the company before and you're not a Sting level star, then I think you're going to go to developmental, even if you're as talented as AJ Styles is.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 8, 2013 10:56:29 GMT -5
Styles needed to try his hand at WWE a few years ago. The problem he has is that he's a known commodity for TNA but he isn't any sort of star that moves the meter at all. And honestly, when has Vince ever pushed a redneck southern wrestler all that hard? Texans, yes, as Austin, Michaels, Taker, and JBL have shown. But southeastern wrestlers have never been treated that well in WWE, aside from maybe Flair in 1991-92, but Flair isn't really a redneck.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 8, 2013 11:30:24 GMT -5
I don't see AJ going because while not WWE level. He far to established to start over with a name change. At less in wrestling standards. AJ already been on National world wide TV and PPV. While not close to Main Stream but in wrestling to many people know who AJ is. The thing about ability. The guy been doing PPVs since 2002 and was on some kind of TV since then. What NXT going to do for him? Nothing. Yes he is 36 because he still wrestle the same style and because he worked a lighter then the WWE schedule and injury wise hasn't suffered a major injury. There is no reason. The turn away would be for AJ to change him name and get re established under that new name. Which no promise of a ME push like he gets in TNA. I see him going, and think there are plenty of valid reasons for it. It gives the WWE a chance to come up with something for him to do (lest we get a Braden Walker situation), it gives AJ a chance to work specifically with WWE trained guys so he is aware of the training they go through and how they do moves (lest we get a Sin Cara situation), and it gives WWE a chance to get to know his strengths and weaknesses so they know what they have for him to do. Developmental isn't just learning how to wrestle, it's also on-the-job training for people who would need to know specifically how WWE works, which may be different from how other places work. And no matter how much experience you have in a field, if you're going to work for a new company with their own system and their own way of doing things, you're going to get at least some training. It's not an insult, it's just part of working somewhere new. There are plenty of people talented enough to be working on the main roster, but they all go to developmental because there is something to be gained there. If you haven't been with the company before and you're not a Sting level star, then I think you're going to go to developmental, even if you're as talented as AJ Styles is. The thing is that AJ as worked with several guy from the WWE. Angle, Christian, Hardy, Bully Ray, and ext. If you look at who AJ worked with he wouldn't need too. It would be more to develop whatever the new character is. AJ may not go or want to deal with that. I get the reason would be to not have another Sin Cara who didn't do any of that but should have. AJ would be different because he been working with so many former WWE guys and well Sting.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 8, 2013 12:01:18 GMT -5
I see him going, and think there are plenty of valid reasons for it. It gives the WWE a chance to come up with something for him to do (lest we get a Braden Walker situation), it gives AJ a chance to work specifically with WWE trained guys so he is aware of the training they go through and how they do moves (lest we get a Sin Cara situation), and it gives WWE a chance to get to know his strengths and weaknesses so they know what they have for him to do. Developmental isn't just learning how to wrestle, it's also on-the-job training for people who would need to know specifically how WWE works, which may be different from how other places work. And no matter how much experience you have in a field, if you're going to work for a new company with their own system and their own way of doing things, you're going to get at least some training. It's not an insult, it's just part of working somewhere new. There are plenty of people talented enough to be working on the main roster, but they all go to developmental because there is something to be gained there. If you haven't been with the company before and you're not a Sting level star, then I think you're going to go to developmental, even if you're as talented as AJ Styles is. The thing is that AJ as worked with several guy from the WWE. Angle, Christian, Hardy, Bully Ray, and ext. If you look at who AJ worked with he wouldn't need too. It would be more to develop whatever the new character is. AJ may not go or want to deal with that. I get the reason would be to not have another Sin Cara who didn't do any of that but should have. AJ would be different because he been working with so many former WWE guys and well Sting. I'm not saying that AJ isn't talented enough to skip it... but Chris Harris worked with those guys as well. Didn't really mean it was great idea for him to skip developmental. Now,AJ probably won't come in as out of shape as Harris did, but there probably was more to gain from going to developmental than form skipping it, and AJ isn't exactly a Sting Level star who would lose out from spending a stint there. I see it as being akin to a veteran athlete going through training camp. Even if he knows how to play the game, he still has to know all of the people he will be playing with, he has to get in sync with them, he has to get to know the organization and who he's working with, and he has to learn the playbook. That's what developmental is for for the indy guys, some do need more training to specifically work WWE style, but anyone who comes in really could use the fine tuning to specifically adapt to the way WWE does things, which I'm betting is still different from how TNA does it. I really doubt AJ would skip the process, even if he's not spending a full year there like Punk did.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Sept 8, 2013 12:05:58 GMT -5
It's a moot point since I don't see him ever leaving TNA but I think people are seriously underestimating what AJ could do in the WWE. If they signed him there, in my opinion, would be no need for him to go through developmental. WWE might want him to maybe to make sure he doesn't get too arrogant and keep him grounded (not saying AJ would but a lot of people could be quite arrogant about something like that) but it wouldn't be necessary from a TV-ready standpoint. TNA don't have the exposure WWE has by any stretch but a lot of wrestling fans know who AJ Styles is. If AJ debuted on RAW tommorrow night I guarantee he'd get a good pop. Not like a returning Lesnar or anything but a bigger pop than most on the roster will get tomorrow night. And a lot of those that didn't know him would be reacting to him after a few weeks of seeing him wrestle. AJ Styles is one of the most well-rounded wrestlers (not referring to mic skills) out there. There aren't many wrestling styles he can't do well and his particular style appeals to such a wide range of viewers that it would make him an instant hit.
Like I said, I can't see him being signed but if he was, I have no doubt he'd be a major star for them. No doubt in my mind whatsoever.
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Post by JTG Fan on Sept 8, 2013 13:12:36 GMT -5
Generico is the only guy in NXT as good as AJ Styles, though Ohno and Neville are up there. I'm not saying WWE needs AJ Styles, but there's no reason to put one of the best wrestlers in the world down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 14:56:19 GMT -5
Honestly, I've never really been that into Styles. Like the guy decently enough, definitely has talent, but I don't think I've ever seen a match of his that's really wowed me that much. Other than maybe him having a scaffold match that was actually watchable, but that's not quite the same thing.
I suppose I should look up that triple threat everyone immediately points to. I don't know, I've never liked his one-on-ones with Christopher Daniels, like, at all, so I'm not too inclined to look up a match that involves both of them. Either way, I do really want to see him face Cena at some point.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Sept 8, 2013 14:58:59 GMT -5
It'd be interesting to see Styles in WWE, if only to see if they make any snotty references to him being a big star in the "little leagues" or something. I could imagine Cole or JBL saying stuff like that.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Sept 8, 2013 15:48:04 GMT -5
They don't really need Styles. They have so much talent on the backburner in NXT, bringing in Styles would just push back some other guy's debut.
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Post by bootytea on Sept 8, 2013 16:00:54 GMT -5
It would be nice to see AJ Styles get a short run because the guy can put on incredible matches!
They could call him Agar Jelly.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 8, 2013 16:05:16 GMT -5
They don't really need Styles. They have so much talent on the backburner in NXT, bringing in Styles would just push back some other guy's debut. We'll that doesn't matter. If the WWE sees money to be bad there going to do it. Where talking about the same company who is wanting the Rock or Austin to wrestle at WM to sell the show and still relays on the same guys to sell there stuff. So regardless how good they are. AJ or not there getting pushed back. Now OHNO as someone talked about yes very talented but he keep getting heat because he looks one way and the WWE want him too look a different way.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Sept 8, 2013 16:07:50 GMT -5
I see 2 reasons why he won't be in the WWE:
1. Because they consider TNA the minor leagues, and they already have a minor league
2. Because he is pretty much TNA. I doubt the WWE would bring in a TNA guy and make him a big star. And no, RVD does not count as a TNA star. He's an ECW original. AJ is a TNA original.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 8, 2013 16:08:14 GMT -5
If AJ had any time to raise his price his promo was the time to show he had the chops to make it. He flubbed it and matt hardy'd his way out of getting the deal with wwe.
Plus wwe has evan bourne, aaron neville, Tyson Kidd, and Sami zayn who are already better than aj and have contracts already.
Plus Tyson is getting a rub from total divas.
If wwe was smart they would try to get both goldberg and batista.
If they can get Batista and also get something going with disney/marvel to promote GotG boom synergy. Plus i feel like Batista would get a bigger pop.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 16:28:20 GMT -5
Batista was like 36 when he won the WHC. And left the company at the ripe age of 41. I would mark out really hard if AJ Styles went to the WWE and even the most casual of fans I know know who he is. Like as someone said debut him in a smark city and he will get over for life in the wwe
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Post by Welfare Willis on Sept 8, 2013 16:41:24 GMT -5
Anyone seen the new Kharma? Doesn't losing all that weight way take away some of mystique of Kharma?
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 8, 2013 16:45:40 GMT -5
Batista was like 36 when he won the WHC. And left the company at the ripe age of 41. I would mark out really hard if AJ Styles went to the WWE and even the most casual of fans I know know who he is. Like as someone said debut him in a smark city and he will get over for life in the wwe Batista is 6'6" and nearly 300 pounds, and was on the main roster for 3 years prior to his title win. Comparing a Batista push to a cruiser weight push is a tad misleading. Anyone seen the new Kharma? Doesn't losing all that weight way take away some of mystique of Kharma? A little, but if she's still larger and has the same style, I think she could get that mystique back.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 8, 2013 16:52:06 GMT -5
New Kharma
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 17:09:33 GMT -5
Batista was like 36 when he won the WHC. And left the company at the ripe age of 41. I would mark out really hard if AJ Styles went to the WWE and even the most casual of fans I know know who he is. Like as someone said debut him in a smark city and he will get over for life in the wwe Batista is 6'6" and nearly 300 pounds, and was on the main roster for 3 years prior to his title win. Comparing a Batista push to a cruiser weight push is a tad misleading. Anyone seen the new Kharma? Doesn't losing all that weight way take away some of mystique of Kharma? A little, but if she's still larger and has the same style, I think she could get that mystique back. I remember 2002-2007 were the years of every hoss got a push or a big time feud and only Batista and Khali and Lesnar and somewhat Lashley were the only success stories. Plus the two biggest faces outside of Cena are DB and Punk who are even smaller then AJ Styles with DB probably being the smallest WWE Champion outside of Rey Mysterio. Plus AJ Styles has already a reputation and following unlike Batista
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 8, 2013 17:50:33 GMT -5
Batista is 6'6" and nearly 300 pounds, and was on the main roster for 3 years prior to his title win. Comparing a Batista push to a cruiser weight push is a tad misleading. A little, but if she's still larger and has the same style, I think she could get that mystique back. I remember 2002-2007 were the years of every hoss got a push or a big time feud and only Batista and Khali and Lesnar and somewhat Lashley were the only success stories. Plus the two biggest faces outside of Cena are DB and Punk who are even smaller then AJ Styles with DB probably being the smallest WWE Champion outside of Rey Mysterio. Plus AJ Styles has already a reputation and following unlike Batista The hoss thing was really the point. You wanted to trot out Batista as an older guy who won the title, ignoring the fact that he was a hoss in an era were they were pushing most hosses (and that he was still younger than AJ is now when he was first called up). It's an apples and oranges comparison. All those guys started younger than Styles and spent a 2-4 years on the roster prior to truly being given an upper title run with (more if we assume the WHC is on a significantly lower tier than the WWE title). Mysterio had the added benefit of being a big name in WCW, when being in a rival company actually meant something. The idea that you can debut a small, older cruiserweight in a smarky city and suddenly have a world champion contender within a year doesn't really have any precedent to me. People keep wanting to erase the build up time to make someone a big name, but for the life of me, the only people I can think of who never had to be built up to that level are guys who were bigger than AJ, and just because they've decided to push Punk and Bryan after they had that time doesn't mean you can pretend that size means nothing and no one has to be built to that level to be over. As for his reputation and following, sure, he has one. So did Mistico. But we're talking a lot larger and more casual audience that either just knows his name (and thus isn't going to flip out) or doesn't know him at all. Even if he got raucous applause in a smarky city, which I'm not as sure of as you are, there's no real reason to believe that'd translate to when they do shows in places that aren't in Chicago, New York or Montreal. And after any initial building, you have a highly talented cruiserweight who can't really talk, and they have other guys who can fit that bill who probably would be cheaper. If we're just talking getting him to the IC level? Then sure, he could start out there immediately. But I don't really think he has the time to get to WWE title level, and I don't think WWE would want to spend the money for a guy who may not have much of a prime left. Maybe I'm wrong, but if he came to WWE, I could see him having a best of 401 series with Kofi and Dolph, but I don't see him winning the big one before his age catches up to him.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Sept 8, 2013 18:53:14 GMT -5
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