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Post by celticjobber on Sept 11, 2013 18:36:23 GMT -5
I don't doubt they pushed him out rather than him retiring, but I highly doubt it had anything to do with the Flair situation. Have you seen the panel? It got totally out of control. And to a highly corporate company like WWE (well mostly Steph, Trips, and Vince McMahon), I'm sure it was a total embarrassment. Even if the execs at 2k had no problems with it. And knowing Vince's history of hating Jim Ross, I'm guessing he suffered the brunt of fallout for letting things get out of hand to such a degree, where amongst other things -- Ric Flair was bragging about how he basically turned a non-drinking John Cena into an alcoholic.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 11, 2013 18:38:39 GMT -5
It had been time to for a few years before he stepped away. Still had a great career, so best of luck to him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 18:40:07 GMT -5
Either way he was 90% retired for a couple years now, just an odd appearance here and there. I was never a big fan, and have to say that last 5-6 years every time JR was on commentary he sounded like a shadow of his old self and brought very little of anything.
I hope they also part ways with King as Raw color commentator and breathe some fresh air into announcing.
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Post by slappy on Sept 11, 2013 18:47:53 GMT -5
I don't know why they would be upset about Flair talking about Cena drinking because he has told that story many times.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 11, 2013 19:03:53 GMT -5
I don't know why they would be upset about Flair talking about Cena drinking because he has told that story many times. But this was an official WWE Event.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 19:04:30 GMT -5
I don't know why they would be upset about Flair talking about Cena drinking because he has told that story many times. But this was an official WWE Event. So is HoF.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Sept 11, 2013 19:06:07 GMT -5
I never got to hear much of JR's stuff in Mid South, but I honestly believe that his stuff during the Attitude Era cemented him as the best. They had the most absurd angles and ridiculous matches, and Jim Ross would call it like he saw it. He wouldn't overtly bury anything, but he always had that dry wit if something wasn't very good. And it added to the credibility of any serious angle. Sometimes a goofy match or segment would happen, and JR would say "now it's time to get serious" and go on to focusing on the next match.
Jim Ross, if he was invested in a match, could sell it this was the most important thing ever. Or if say, Triple H did something dastardly, Jim Ross would make it seem as this guy is so horrible that he should be butchered for his acts, and he was believable. Michael Cole isn't too bad, but there's a reason Jim Ross was asked to call the Hell in a Cell a few years back between Taker and HHH.
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Post by Error on Sept 11, 2013 19:07:44 GMT -5
But this was an official WWE Event. So is HoF. HoF is meant to be a celebration and TV spectacle while the 2KSports event was to hype the game and was a sponsored event. Major difference.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 19:11:21 GMT -5
Cryptic stuff from Dave Meltzer's daily Wrestling Observer news report (there are apparently more details in a member's only audio show): --Life often imitates art. There are some very unhappy campers in WWE today over the Jim Ross thing but now it's like the TV angle is reality.I guess that JR.........wasn't best for business.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 19:13:47 GMT -5
HoF is meant to be a celebration and TV spectacle while the 2KSports event was to hype the game and was a sponsored event. Major difference. But the point is that it was already heard on an official WWE event. (And if I may add, one that was seen by a lot more people than a Twitch.tv stream)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 19:13:58 GMT -5
B-but....there's no show on today. HHH and Vince and etc. didn't get to embarrass him on live television one last time.
.........oh who am I kidding? They'll just dress up a dummy and have HHH &^%$ him and then light it on fire on Monday.
Good God Almighty luck and thanks for all the fish, JR.
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Post by amaron on Sept 11, 2013 19:15:37 GMT -5
Right or wrong, Vince can be a POS when it comes to business sometimes.
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Post by Clueless Steve on Sept 11, 2013 19:18:06 GMT -5
B-but....there's no show on today. HHH and Vince and etc. didn't get to embarrass him on live television one last time. .........oh who am I kidding? They'll just dress up a dummy and have HHH &^%$ him and then light it on fire on Monday. Good God Almighty luck and thanks for all the fish, JR. They're bringing back Oklahoma.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 19:18:26 GMT -5
B-but....there's no show on today. HHH and Vince and etc. didn't get to embarrass him on live television one last time. .........oh who am I kidding? They'll just dress up a dummy and have HHH &^%$ him and then light it on fire on Monday. Good God Almighty luck and thanks for all the fish, JR. I hope we get this again
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Post by The Trashman on Sept 11, 2013 19:21:51 GMT -5
What exactly is he even retiring from? Posting a blog and being a "scout"?
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Post by Error on Sept 11, 2013 19:26:24 GMT -5
HoF is meant to be a celebration and TV spectacle while the 2KSports event was to hype the game and was a sponsored event. Major difference. But the point is that it was already heard on an official WWE event. (And if I may add, one that was seen by a lot more people than a Twitch.tv stream) JR had a job to do, to lead a panel to talk about a WWE video game at a sponsored event and he didn't do it, he let it become an embarrassment to the company. There are times when stories like that are appropriate and that panel wasn't the place. It has nothing to do with it being said before or even after, it was done at the wrong time and JR and Flair are having to pay for their failures by being gone from the company.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 19:30:46 GMT -5
I don't think they'll be able to resist playing JR's music and bringing out a midget version at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 19:36:06 GMT -5
But the point is that it was already heard on an official WWE event. (And if I may add, one that was seen by a lot more people than a Twitch.tv stream) JR had a job to do, to lead a panel to talk about a WWE video game at a sponsored event and he didn't do it, he let it become an embarrassment to the company. There are times when stories like that are appropriate and that panel wasn't the place. It has nothing to do with it being said before or even after, it was done at the wrong time and JR and Flair are having to pay for their failures by being gone from the company. Hall of Fame speeches are filtered, and there's no way they would let it fly there if it was so wrong. And since it was ok at HoF there's no reason to say that a panel is no place for it. That's the whole point of the panel, to tell stories. The only issues I see is having Flair talk about TNA, divorces and other stuff he said. The John Cena drinking part was even within the context of the panel because he said it as a part of the answer on the question whom would he like to face at WM. Most "reports" after the panel focused on TNA and Flair talking his marriages as the things WWE was upset about. John Cena drinking story was a non issue. No one blinked, because the story was heard before.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 19:44:13 GMT -5
Well if the really did fire him and this retirement is just a cover up..say goodbye to any potential one last Stone Cold match at WM 30 or even appearance.
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Post by JTG Fan on Sept 11, 2013 19:50:21 GMT -5
I'm also listening to the podcast on it now. Most notably: -Ross said on his UK tour two weeks ago that he loved his current role in the company and had no plans to retire. Bummer.
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